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15 Jan 10
16:22
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£20 to Unicef,for me.
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50 Euros. terrible terrible tragedy ill do without my few pints to night.
yr donation has a 1 in 100 chance of being of any use at all to those who need help most. its like trying to stop a puppy drowning by removing a cup full of water from a lake
are you saying that the red cross is useless? how do you think they are funded?
The same as BC. It's awful but quite frankly it's nothing to do with us.
brown donated mine already, they already been given over 200million anyway
jimmy69 15 Jan 17:45
The same as BC. It's awful but quite frankly it's nothing to do with us.
Your a human being of course its got something to do with you
The same as BC. It's awful but quite frankly it's nothing to do with us.
Your a human being of course its got something to do with you
i hope you ll never need help someday. But i respect your right not to donate. each to their own.
Jimmy
So the only things that are anything to do with you have to be concerned with Britain?
So the only things that are anything to do with you have to be concerned with Britain?
I haven't really thought about it to be honest...but probably yes.
well I hope we are never in the situation when we require foreign aid, but you would definitely deserve it just so that it opens your eyes
I have given nothing and would recommend everyone to do the same. Charitable organisations are a huge con. The amount of money that goes in admin costs, marketing and wages is disgusting. Don't support these stupid organisations.
Cubanpete 15 Jan 18:23
I have given nothing and would recommend everyone to do the same. Charitable organis
ations are a huge con. The amount of money that goes in admin costs, marketing and wages is disgusting. Don't support these stupid organisations.
Sadly I've got to agree with this.In any case it won't be left to charities to sort this out.Governments(your money) are already dealing with it.
I have given nothing and would recommend everyone to do the same. Charitable organis
ations are a huge con. The amount of money that goes in admin costs, marketing and wages is disgusting. Don't support these stupid organisations.
Sadly I've got to agree with this.In any case it won't be left to charities to sort this out.Governments(your money) are already dealing with it.
Exactly Cubanpete. If you want to do something then I suggest you offer yourself for a week clearing up the mess there. Giving money is a complete waste of time.
Big Charlie 15 Jan 17:32
Nothing.
Gene Hackman 15 Jan 17:34
Why's that then BC?
I don't want to.
How much have you sent ?
Nothing.
Gene Hackman 15 Jan 17:34
Why's that then BC?
I don't want to.
How much have you sent ?
I have donated ,would prefer not to say how much .
You may find it interesting to see where some of your charity donations go.
[pre]
Charity_______________CEO________________Salary
ActionAid_____________Salil Shetty_______£86,527
BBC Children in Need__Martina Milburn____£62,000
Crisis________________Shaks Ghosh________£64,500
Oxfam_________________Barbara Stocking___£75,000
[/pre]
And that appears to have been in 2003.
http://society.guardian.co.uk/salarysurvey/table/0,12406,1042677,00.html
[pre]
Charity_______________CEO________________Salary
ActionAid_____________Salil Shetty_______£86,527
BBC Children in Need__Martina Milburn____£62,000
Crisis________________Shaks Ghosh________£64,500
Oxfam_________________Barbara Stocking___£75,000
[/pre]
And that appears to have been in 2003.
http://society.guardian.co.uk/salarysurvey/table/0,12406,1042677,00.html
Nearly forgot
[pre]
Salvation Army___Alex Hughes___£10,540
[/pre]
Just to give a bit of context.
[pre]
Salvation Army___Alex Hughes___£10,540
[/pre]
Just to give a bit of context.
Can you get me Save The Childrens bosses salary so I can mention to my missus who is area rep and in my face about it all the time
thanks
thanks
very good to give
however the % of your £20 that will get to the source will probably be £1 at best
not a lot you can do about that though
however the % of your £20 that will get to the source will probably be £1 at best
not a lot you can do about that though
i dont think those salaries are extortionate - would rather see someone well qualified and paid well to efficiently run the charity than a monkey working for peanuts
I was thinking that. Those salaries appear modest for the organisations they run, the responsibilities they shoulder and the funds their teams raise. I have been made aware, in the past, that they do also do/did run 'executive' cars quite unnecessarily. Dunno if that still applies.
jimmy69 15 Jan 18:43
Exactly Cubanpete. If you want to do something then I suggest you offer yourself for a week clearing up the mess there. Giving money is a complete waste of time.
Anyone know of any organisations that would organise something like this? A mate of mine tried to offer his labour after the tsunami. But he was more or less told that, unless he was a medic or construction engineer, he would only get in the way and take up scarce resources.
Exactly Cubanpete. If you want to do something then I suggest you offer yourself for a week clearing up the mess there. Giving money is a complete waste of time.
Anyone know of any organisations that would organise something like this? A mate of mine tried to offer his labour after the tsunami. But he was more or less told that, unless he was a medic or construction engineer, he would only get in the way and take up scarce resources.
Isotonic. 15 Jan 17:25
50 Euros. terrible terrible tragedy ill do without my few pints to night.
well done
50 Euros. terrible terrible tragedy ill do without my few pints to night.
well done
I give nominal regular amounts to a few charities on a monthly basis but I can certainly understand why people are against giving foreign aid.
Could you really see all these other countries giving the UK massive handouts if the boot was on the other foot? I think not.
We're still giving billions in donations to China in return for nothing FFS. A world super power who wont help their own people but good old Blighty will keep handing out because as a nation we're all filthy rich arent we? :|
Charity starts at home.
Could you really see all these other countries giving the UK massive handouts if the boot was on the other foot? I think not.
We're still giving billions in donations to China in return for nothing FFS. A world super power who wont help their own people but good old Blighty will keep handing out because as a nation we're all filthy rich arent we? :|
Charity starts at home.
discussing how much you've given to any charity often indicates that your donation is, to some extent, about making yourself feel better, rather than those benefiting from your charity.
and besides, the amount you donate relative to your income is the relevant indicator of the extent of your charity, not absolute amounts.
and besides, the amount you donate relative to your income is the relevant indicator of the extent of your charity, not absolute amounts.
surely if they need some money they will just print some like other countries
Nothing.
I would get rid of Gift Aid as well.
All that UK tax going abroad.
I would get rid of Gift Aid as well.
All that UK tax going abroad.
It's not UK tax if it goes abroad though. :) What we should get rid of is the government sending money abroad according to its own plans. We're capable of giving our money to what we want to.
Nothing. I give to dossers that look like dossers and charities here, privatly run animal charities, but not to any institutional charity.
I get christmas cards from the I.J.C.
Every bit helps.
Every bit helps.
jimmy69 15 Jan 17:45
The same as BC. It's awful but quite frankly it's nothing to do with us.
very humanitarian. You should be ashamed
The same as BC. It's awful but quite frankly it's nothing to do with us.
very humanitarian. You should be ashamed
After seeing the wages these so called charitys directors get, its hard to work out why they deserve anything. Throwing money solves nothing in Haiti. The place was basket case before the quake and more so after. It needs mature political intervention from the 1st world countries, to help the country to its feet. Sadly nothing will change. Throwing 20quid at it when probably at most about 2 quid will actually reach victims may alleviate peoples social conscience. It may alleviate peoples social conscience but will do nothing to solve social deprivation that actually exists today.
Rachel stevens has had tio postpone her show in Haiti.
Shakin' Stevens has stepped in at the last minute
Shakin' Stevens has stepped in at the last minute
The best thing we could do to places like Haiti is invade. But, no, our liberal establishment thinks we should let them suffer in the name of a freedom they haven't got.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00673/TTM162301CC_RGB_ONL_67...
BillKiller 16 Jan 12:39
The best thing we could do to places like Haiti is invade.
Read up on Haiti's history, the US backed a disastrous regime there already.
The best thing we could do to places like Haiti is invade.
Read up on Haiti's history, the US backed a disastrous regime there already.
I was thinking of colonisation, not installing puppets. Britain tried that in Arabia and look what happened.
installing puppets has been the way post-war, cheaper, easier, blame-free and it means you can switch sides at a moments notice if necessary
Saw an excellent film about Haiti a few years ago called "Ghosts of Cite Soleil". Some of the poorest and most poverty stricken people on the planet.
Saddened by some of the attitudes in this thread.
Saddened by some of the attitudes in this thread.
Spot on, why don't america just colinise the place.
Charity donations should be private and a matter of conscience. This thread might as well be entitled "who has got the biggest k**b?"
Primarily because the head of Ireland's biggest charity 'GOAL' is a total and utter khunt.
Yeah, a few tears on the odd tv show does wonders.
Gene Hackman, you are v sanctimonious in not only starting this thread, but questioning Big Charlie on why he gave nothing. Why did you "only" give £20 then? It's a private matter for anyone, so if by telling the world you gave your £20 makes you feel better, bully for you, but it doesn't give you the right to try to question people re their own charity donations.
I've given nothing. Its not my problem and certainly not one I can solve.I question why its getting wall to wall (no pun intended) coverage. OK there has been an earthquake.Report that. But multiple TV crews with their cameras fighting for the best close up is required why exactly?
Someone said the other day that to be born in Haiti (even before the quake) is to have lost out in the lottery of life. By that token, to be born in the UK is to have won in the lottery of life. This thread only confirms that there are some very undeserving winners amongst us.
Well said, Dobbo. We are being manipulated by these news reports. When they rebuild in Haiti, big US companies will be raking it in. The humanitarian effort currently being undertaken makes the US and British forces fighting in Afghanistan look really foolish, ie we are in a country we should not be in, fighting a phoney war, same as when we, ahem "restored democracy in Iraq!"
2 things:
1. The full quote is, "Charity begins at home, BUT SHOULDN'T END THERE"
2. Leaders, dictators, governments, big business, cameramen and journalists all don't matter.
There are 1000's and 1000's of people in pain, anguish, and abject misery that none of us can imagine. They need food, medicine, water and comfort. It doesn't matter where they happen to have been born. ANY amount that gets to them through donations must help. Surely.
1. The full quote is, "Charity begins at home, BUT SHOULDN'T END THERE"
2. Leaders, dictators, governments, big business, cameramen and journalists all don't matter.
There are 1000's and 1000's of people in pain, anguish, and abject misery that none of us can imagine. They need food, medicine, water and comfort. It doesn't matter where they happen to have been born. ANY amount that gets to them through donations must help. Surely.
pathetic i know, but if everyone gave a fiver...
There are millions of people throughout the World in pain and anguish. This one is this weeks headline and next weeks chip paper. How many cheques do I need to write?
this was a particularly nasty "incident" though Dobbo, although I take your point.
While donations are clearly needed, why is it relevant to ask people how much they have given? Charitable contributions are, or should be, a private matter. Gene Hackman was not content with donating £20, he had to also tell us about it, ask how much we have donated, then question Big Charlie as to why he hadn't donated!
However much you feel comfortable with dobbo, or nothing.
It doesn't matter. A few more people not helped because they're not alone won't make any difference.
What is interesting is the - "I never give to charity, it never gets there", attitude.
It's like the - "I never give money to beggars, or Big issue sellers, I've heard they earn £800 a week and come to work in a Rolls" attitude.
The society we live in is a sick and selfish one.
It doesn't matter. A few more people not helped because they're not alone won't make any difference.
What is interesting is the - "I never give to charity, it never gets there", attitude.
It's like the - "I never give money to beggars, or Big issue sellers, I've heard they earn £800 a week and come to work in a Rolls" attitude.
The society we live in is a sick and selfish one.
Having worked for a national charity a few years back I am cautious about them all - it doesn't stop me donating and frankly I'd rather give £20 to a Big Issue seller than send a cheque for this bit of business
Has the Sultan Of Brunai and the other Arab rich oil Sheiks put owt into the kitty ?
Yes sent a c17 military plane with army doctors, 50tonnes of food and aid.
ive given 20 a month to unicef since i was 18
they are havin no more
they are havin no more
i did however stop the 5 i used to give wateraid... i dont know why.
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