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Joe Jordan
11 Jan 10 11:42
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Re-enactments of genuine court cases at Inverary Jail courthouse (Scotland) from the official records held there ,
case of a 14 year old lad caught stealing an orange sentenced to 7 years penal servitude in Australia ...
Girl servant stole her Lady Employers Lace Handkerchief, 4 years penal servitude in Australia ..
Now THOSE were the days !!
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Report donny osmond • January 11, 2010 11:46 AM GMT
......neighbours
Report Joe Jordan • January 11, 2010 11:47 AM GMT
meanwhile once in Australia ..
if 2 convicts agreed to marry (one Male + one Female I might add---none of that shannigans in THOSE days ) and settle there ....
then they could have a year knocked of their harsh sentences and have a piece of land to settle there ....sentences were mostly Hard Labour ...so a year off was a GOOD offer ..
and a piece of land to build you own home on ...an even better offer ...
Report sparkmaster. • January 11, 2010 11:51 AM GMT
Life in Australia is sweet for many, but you've got to keep an eye on your oranges.
Report Prima Donna • January 11, 2010 11:54 AM GMT
not to mention your nuts
Report Joe Jordan • January 11, 2010 11:54 AM GMT
The Governor based in Sydney had the right idea ..

One of the FIRST tasks the convicts had to perform was the following :-

They had to chisel out square granite blocks from a hillside ,that made a cutting to the Top of the Hill behind Sydney ..
These blocks were used to build
A)..The Prisonn
B)...The Governors House + Soldiers Barracks/Fort
C)..A Pub with a Mini-Brwery attached .

The convicts put their own identity mark on each block they made ,
The Governor inspected each block for flawlessness and a prisoner got 1 Day knocked off his sentence for each excellent block he produced ..
The pub + mini-brewery are still there with the flawless square cut blocks ...on the top of the hill through the cutting behid "The Rocks " in Sydney..
Don't miss a visit to the Pub if you visit Sydney ...an easyy 10 minute walk (albeit uphill)...
You learn something new on here every day :D :D
Report Vubiant • January 11, 2010 11:55 AM GMT
Strange how hard it is for societies to find some kind of happy medium -they seem to veer between the ridiculously extreme and the ridiculously lenient .
Granted -it is a philosophical challenge to identify what , in practice , this happy medium might be .
Report macarony • January 11, 2010 11:55 AM GMT
Joe Jordan 11 Jan 12:42


Re-enactments of genuine court cases at Inverary Jail courthouse (Scotland) from the official records held there ,
case of a 14 year old lad caught stealing an orange sentenced to 7 years penal servitude in Australia ...
Girl servant stole her Lady Employers Lace Handkerchief, 4 years penal servitude in Australia ..
Now THOSE were the days

Now its the other way around ozzy that get caught stealing an orange, get sent to small overcrowded third world island,off the coast of mainland Europe.
Report Joe Jordan • January 11, 2010 11:56 AM GMT
Oh and the mini brewery ?
When they first got to Oz the Goovernor + Soldiers received Beer from England in Barrels , that took 6 weeks plus to arrive , and often " went off"..so they decided to import the ingredients and brew their own FRESH beer .. ;-)
Report Joe Jordan • January 11, 2010 12:00 PM GMT
The Lord Nelson ^^ thats the place :-)
Report Joe Jordan • January 11, 2010 12:02 PM GMT
the blocks were sandstone . not granite ...
as I said , one learns something new every day :-)
Report Joe Jordan • January 11, 2010 12:05 PM GMT
From the Bridge , round circular quays to the Rocks , and up through the cut to Millrs point ...."A" on this google map :-

http://maps.google.com/maps?rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGLL_en-GB&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=mini+brewery+the+rocks+sydney&fb=1&hq=mini+brewery+the+rocks&hnear=sydney&ei=iyBLS--4C5n20wTeuOXkAQ&sa=X&oi=local_group&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQtgMwAA
Report Hoss • January 11, 2010 12:30 PM GMT
If you ever get hold of a copy of In The Penal Colony by Franz Kafka, soak it in petrol, light it and stand well back.

I was forced to endure this pile of sh!t for an exam, bad enough reading it but then had to dissect it and try to make sense of it.Aaargh.
Report dixie • January 11, 2010 12:40 PM GMT
To Brave Every Danger: The Epic Life of Mary Bryant of Fowey (1994)

by Judith Cook. A good yarn about transportation.
Report Big Charlie • January 11, 2010 3:50 PM GMT
HGV ?
PSV ?
Trains ?
Planes ?
Report curious-cat • January 11, 2010 3:56 PM GMT
sparkmaster. 11 Jan 12:51
Life in Australia is sweet for many, but you've got to keep an eye on your oranges.

Prima Donna 11 Jan 12:54
not to mention your nuts


too true .............. Haddon's always whipping our batsmens ' bails off !
Report curious-cat • January 11, 2010 4:17 PM GMT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newport_Rising

this was a chartist riot (1839) where 22 were killed from over a thousand who congregated on the Westgate Hotel where fellow chartists were being held.

Of particular interest to me is the Welsh Oak ( my local where I grew up) where the rioters spent the last night before marching on Newport.
Also one of the leaders, Zephaniah Williams, who had his death sentence [ hang, drawn and quartered ] commuted to transportation for life ............ became a mine owner and advertised for miners in South Wales ........ while researching my family tree I found an Australian lady advertising for info whose ancestor had gone out originally to work for Zephaniah Williams.

Her ancestor and my great great grandfather had common grandparents [ perhaps I should rephrase that :) ]
Report curious-cat • January 11, 2010 4:18 PM GMT
advertised for miners from South Wales is perhaps better
Report Prima Donna • January 11, 2010 5:05 PM GMT
A few years ago I was looking through some old court cases in England in the 17thC,one case stood out to me,a young girl who was 14 years of age vanished from a local wood she was never seen again,the records show a man who was walking through the wood at the time,said he had seen the girl turn into a hare and run off.That was believed,and the man was free to go,I dont think the same outcome would happen today.
Report yorky • January 11, 2010 5:30 PM GMT
surely he could have asked for clementinecy
was they oranged marraiges
no seville ceremonies in those days
bet they was scared being deported to jaffar away place
on the ships the scottish lad was clamped to his mam, heared to say in dark is satsuma
they were on a navel ship, after a years hard labour outside there skin was like leather, one prisoner heared saying to his future wife youve got a good tan there jean

lol,eh eh !!!!!!!!!!!
Report TEN2FOLLOWER • January 11, 2010 5:32 PM GMT
How many years for a satsuma?
Report yorky • January 11, 2010 5:40 PM GMT
10 but hes appealing it
Report yorky • January 11, 2010 6:26 PM GMT
deportation was manderintary sentence back then
Report curious-cat • January 11, 2010 8:19 PM GMT
you wouldn't have lasted long in England yorky :)

you would have been posting as queenie from Queensland
Report yorky • January 11, 2010 8:38 PM GMT
miss p xx
Report orioles • January 11, 2010 8:44 PM GMT
Sounds like a citrus situation. I really don't think you should be taking the pith.
Report yorky • January 11, 2010 8:45 PM GMT
lol, quality,very good
Report Guybrush Threepwood • January 11, 2010 8:47 PM GMT
If it happened in 2nd world war in Germany he might have been sentenced to the concentration camp.
Report yorky • January 11, 2010 8:49 PM GMT
lol, eh eh, now we are rocking
Report pox doctors clerk • January 11, 2010 8:49 PM GMT
who caught him robert peel
Report sibaroni • January 11, 2010 9:00 PM GMT
if he was caught in sixties Britain, would have been put in jug.
Report yorky • January 11, 2010 9:03 PM GMT
keep em coming lads , when they were being put in the cells on arriving in oz, sargent said cells a and b are full captain, but we can fitamin C, lol
Report cunnybobbler • January 11, 2010 9:05 PM GMT
how can you steal an orange? they grow on trees so ppl can eat em. menkle ah tellz ya.
Report pox doctors clerk • January 11, 2010 9:06 PM GMT
i bet he lost his zest for life though
Report THEOLDSHOWGROUND1 • January 11, 2010 9:06 PM GMT
7 years your taking the pith
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