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and dedicaret enough could you be World Champion at anything you chose?
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like spelling . ffs.
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So how would you know what you were good at? And by what age do you need to be getting hrd at it, so to speak.
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apparently if you practice anything for 10,000 hours you will be top class at it
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Unless you're going for the apathy world record.
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that would be equivalent to 2 hours a day, every day for about 14 years
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The 10,000 hours rule comes up a lot and I think it's aimed more towards skills than just any sport.
You could practice sprinting for 10000 hours but you ain't gonna be faster than Usain Bolt. In terms of skills, then the brain requires repetition, and lots of it, and it will learn even the most complex tasks. Musical instruments, for example, can be played to incredibly high standards from a technical point of view. Doesn't mean you'll be the next Jimi Hendrix but you could play The Flight Of The Bumblebee if you practice enough. |
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Sir Denis Eton-Hogg 09 Dec 13:59
that would be equivalent to 2 hours a day, every day for about 14 years Congratulations. You've just won the mental math memorial medal. |
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Yes. I was listening to a live band on some radrio station (Brass band). I thought, now surely anyone could do that if they practised. Its the writing that is the skill, the composing of a song, rather tha repeating others work.
Similarly, it would be impossible for me to beat Phil taylor at darts, or Tiger at golf, if I had practised for 23 hours a day for thirty years. So , why not? And how did they know he was going to be good at golf? Why not table tennis? or the guitar? or art? |
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dont forget you're not the only one practising for 2 hours a day for 14 years and there's only one world champ (unless it's boxing).
The world champ is probably the one with the genetic advantage and the dedication. |
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Actually, I reckon darts is purely skill. It requires no athletic prowess.
It's just practice, practice, practice. Granted, there's a bit of hand-eye-coordination but what you're aiming at NEVER moves. It's always the same. I saw Barney saying he used to practice 3 or 4 hours a day when he was really in the zone. I think Taylor's said he practices up to 7 hours a day when getting ready for a tourney. |
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And saying "oh, anyone can do that if they practice enough" is a bit unfair. I agree with you but saying it and doing it are different things.
Trying practicing guitar for 8 hours a day for 10 years. |
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Cupra's right about music. I heard a radio programme about the army band and the bandmaster said he could teach anyone how to play the notes but the rhythm and the emotion behind the notes is another thing.
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So, basically try a a load of things out, the ones you enjoy will obviously give you a better feeling when practising them for hours at a time , rather than something you are good at but hate. Then pick one and do it for a long while and boom, success?
Take neing a successful banker/punter. Is thera feeling that is natural and that no other person can replicate? No. Anyone can do it taught the right way. Playing music, the same. Do you really think I could beat Taylor if I practised as much? I doubt it. So what is this 'natural' thing that they possess. Brought on by the 'acting' question below, by the way, another piece of pi55 given time and practice |
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As someone else said before, the top of any sport/skill will be full of people ALL practicing hours and hours a day. The difference at the top is mainly mental rather than physical. When the pressure is on Taylor, stands up and gets counted. A lot of people fold, just watch some tennis matches. The top guys aren't that much better than the rest physically, but mentally they are streets ahead. Facing BP on a second serve drawing 2 sets all in a Grand Slam semi-final. It takes balls to hit that second serve hard and not choke it away for a DF. That was difference between Nadal and Verdasco in the Aussie open for example.
In terms of perfecting an incredibly difficult musical piece, then yes, I think if one practices enough they can play it. It's common knowledge that all the top guitar heroes atm (vai, zakk wylde, Malmsteen etc etc) all practiced 10 hours a day or more during their teenage years. |
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The "other" thing is a genetic propensity to be good at whatever it is.
Lennox Lewis would not make a good Jockey no matter how hard he tried. Likewise Richard Dunwoody would have had a hard time against Klitschko. It works to smaller degrees in most sports but at the top level most real advantages are small but can be decisive. |
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Chess requires more than practice, you need to have an extremely logical brain, hence why mathematicians are usually better at it.
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Lennox Lewis would not make a good Jockey no matter how hard he tried.
Likewise Richard Dunwoody would have had a hard time against Klitschko. why? and how do they know that ? what if theyd have been doing the sport since they were 3 years old? and how did they know RD would be a good jockey, or did they? how did they know Tiger ws a wonderkid, and at what age did they know? cos he hit a ball at 4 years old? Basiclly is it just a matter of seeing what a child is good at and trying to nurture that? How many people do not get where their 'hidden' talent should take them? |
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It's not co-incidence that the best of many things start young. You learn much better when younger and obviously, have loads more time to practice.
The best guitarist I've ever seen is a guy called Guthrie Govan and he said he used to play ALL the time but he openly admits the main reason he's any good at all is because he started playing guitar before he started learning to read and write. Just imagine how natural it seems to you or I to read and write (questionable on here I'll grant you :p). That is how natural it is for him to play guitar. |
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Interesting thread.
I have played guitar for nearly 35 years and , say it myself, have become pretty good over that time. The point is that I can play Stairway to Heaven well, but I could never have written it. And no amount of practice could ever make you as fluent as Jimi Hendrix. |
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yes would be my answer.
using the example of playing the guitar and writing music - these are 2 different skills. if you practiced them both for 35 years overboard I'm sure you could write music too. with regard to the inspiration and creativity side of things, this can all be improved exponentially through practice and using the creative parts of your min (some people are better at this than others, but it can still be trained. and exposure to culture/philosophy, which will change your consciousness to a degree without you realising it. most of it is subconsicous. consciousness follows after the subconscious gets it. all imo :) |
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things get harder to learn as you get older because existing belief systems and subconsicous thinking are more conditioned by the barrage of subliminals we are exposed to on a daily bases through everything we look at throughout our life.
to a degree, reading and writing themselves are a constraint on creativity because they teach the mind to subconsciously conform. conforming is the enemy of inspiration and creativity. i wonder how good hendrix' reading and writing was.. |
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things get harder to learn as you get older----and everything else gets softer!
The paradox of man. |
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^^^ and the broadness of your mind and the narrowness of your wasit will swap places while you aren't looking.
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