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Over the past two years, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on.
No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.
A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to wipe out most of the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year's time. For all four sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.
Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases. The dramatic cooling seen in just 12 months time seems to bear that out. While the data doesn't itself disprove that carbon dioxide is acting to warm the planet, it does demonstrate clearly that more powerful factors are now cooling it.
Let's hope those factors stop fast. Cold is more damaging than heat. The mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans -- and most of the crops and animals we depend on -- prefer a temperature closer to 70.
Historically, the warm periods such as the Medieval Climate Optimum were beneficial for civilization. Corresponding cooling events such as the Little Ice Age, though, were uniformly bad news.
For how much longer do we have to put up with government policies (and taxes), based on an idealogy for which there is simply no evidence ? The fact is that there are too many organisations making a pretty penny from the concept of global warming and the overstated consequences for any backtracking to occur. We are beyond the point of no return in the biggest con ever.
No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.
A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to wipe out most of the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year's time. For all four sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.
Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases. The dramatic cooling seen in just 12 months time seems to bear that out. While the data doesn't itself disprove that carbon dioxide is acting to warm the planet, it does demonstrate clearly that more powerful factors are now cooling it.
Let's hope those factors stop fast. Cold is more damaging than heat. The mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans -- and most of the crops and animals we depend on -- prefer a temperature closer to 70.
Historically, the warm periods such as the Medieval Climate Optimum were beneficial for civilization. Corresponding cooling events such as the Little Ice Age, though, were uniformly bad news.
For how much longer do we have to put up with government policies (and taxes), based on an idealogy for which there is simply no evidence ? The fact is that there are too many organisations making a pretty penny from the concept of global warming and the overstated consequences for any backtracking to occur. We are beyond the point of no return in the biggest con ever.
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Here's NASA's global temperature record. Apparently, September was the warmest ever recorded, globally. Regional one year cool anomalies are of no consequence.
In these tables, you can see that every month since 2001 has been well above the long term average, which would be denoted as 00. Natural variation means there will always be short term trends in which temperatures don't rise much. Global temperature FLUCTUATES. Hope this helps.
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec J-D D-N DJF MAM JJA SON Year
2001 49 51 58 41 58 54 54 58 58 47 72 61 55 53 44 52 55 59 2001
2002 81 79 101 72 71 51 75 55 61 54 59 43 67 68 74 81 60 58 2002
2003 76 62 54 56 72 49 53 75 70 74 56 73 64 62 60 61 59 67 2003
2004 58 80 75 64 40 51 19 53 51 71 75 62 58 59 70 60 41 66 2004
2005 85 81 84 74 65 71 66 63 83 86 75 75 76 75 76 74 67 82 2005
2006 58 70 67 57 38 61 52 69 63 72 73 78 63 63 68 54 61 69 2006
2007 106 75 72 82 76 52 65 73 68 71 60 57 71 73 86 77 63 66 2007
2008 37 32 79 52 45 41 65 34 70 65 72 59 54 54 42 59 47 69 2008
2009 65 65 58 64 72 79 72 72 86*************** ********* 63 64 74***** 2009
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec J-D D-N DJF MAM JJA SON Year
In these tables, you can see that every month since 2001 has been well above the long term average, which would be denoted as 00. Natural variation means there will always be short term trends in which temperatures don't rise much. Global temperature FLUCTUATES. Hope this helps.
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec J-D D-N DJF MAM JJA SON Year
2001 49 51 58 41 58 54 54 58 58 47 72 61 55 53 44 52 55 59 2001
2002 81 79 101 72 71 51 75 55 61 54 59 43 67 68 74 81 60 58 2002
2003 76 62 54 56 72 49 53 75 70 74 56 73 64 62 60 61 59 67 2003
2004 58 80 75 64 40 51 19 53 51 71 75 62 58 59 70 60 41 66 2004
2005 85 81 84 74 65 71 66 63 83 86 75 75 76 75 76 74 67 82 2005
2006 58 70 67 57 38 61 52 69 63 72 73 78 63 63 68 54 61 69 2006
2007 106 75 72 82 76 52 65 73 68 71 60 57 71 73 86 77 63 66 2007
2008 37 32 79 52 45 41 65 34 70 65 72 59 54 54 42 59 47 69 2008
2009 65 65 58 64 72 79 72 72 86*************** ********* 63 64 74***** 2009
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec J-D D-N DJF MAM JJA SON Year
The fact is that there are too many organisations making a pretty penny from the concept........ millennium bug all over again.....I remember all the warning that my toaster and TV etc etc would stop working at the stroke of midnight....all those billions spent and what happened....nothing!
While the data doesn't itself disprove that carbon dioxide is acting to warm the planet, it does demonstrate clearly that more powerful factors are now cooling it.
more powerful sources :^0
more powerful sources :^0
all those billions spent and what happened....nothing!
if all those billions weren't spent, something would've happened. although your toaster and tv would be fine
if all those billions weren't spent, something would've happened. although your toaster and tv would be fine
As with the millennium bug, far more organisations are losing money in trying to combat climate change than are benefitting from it - which is why the western governments dragged their feet for so long.
I do not doubt that burning of fossil fuels is bad for th eenvironment. I try to walk instead of making short journeys, and I recycle. I do however object to the fact that every idea that Government comes up with just costs more money. And the only reason they are threatening us with fines for not recycling, is because your Chinese now charge us too much to sort through our crap! Why not ban supermarkets from giving out plastic bags? We can have paper ones, liek they do in America.
melbourne, australia is in the middle of its worst november heatwave ever = FACT
first time ever more than 4 days in a row of over 30 degrees celsius - today was the 5th!
32 sat
34 sun
35 mon
36 tues
34 today
next 7 days forecast
31 thur
31 fri
34 sat
31 sun
then some relief
27 mon
28 tues
33 weds
i live in a country town in victoria where it was 41 degrees celsius today - i am sweating like a pig and the only reason i am typing this at 12.25am is that it is too **king hot to sleep
global warming deniers can go and get **ked, imho
hth
first time ever more than 4 days in a row of over 30 degrees celsius - today was the 5th!
32 sat
34 sun
35 mon
36 tues
34 today
next 7 days forecast
31 thur
31 fri
34 sat
31 sun
then some relief
27 mon
28 tues
33 weds
i live in a country town in victoria where it was 41 degrees celsius today - i am sweating like a pig and the only reason i am typing this at 12.25am is that it is too **king hot to sleep
global warming deniers can go and get **ked, imho
hth
it's not even summer yet... :_|
this is our second day over 40 this month - and it is still 33 degrees now...
We grew grapes in Yorkshire one thousand years ago. We skated on the Thames four hundred years ago. Cyclical is the word and it's all down to the big shiny thing 93 million miles away.
ah remember hearing about global cooling a few years ago apparently it is a direct result of global warming, for us living in good old blighty warming melts the arctic ice caps and the cold water from here decends south and mixes in with the gulfstream thus cooling our shores.
Temperature change due to the Sun is obviously real. No-one I hope is denying that.
The issue is about acceleration of the natural cycle by Man. The rate that temperature change happens is important, as lifeforms can only migrate in response at a maximum speed.
From our point of view, all climate change is adverse, whether natural or not. Ice Ages are natural, but we can't expect to enjoy one. They may well be a response to excessive heating, a kind of natural backlash.
Ice shelves in the Antarctic are melting, ones which have existed for thousands of years.
If the climate destabilises, some places will get hotter, others colder, even if the average is up. So we shouldn't read too much into short-term weather fluctuations in one place, as the Deniers do.
The issue is about acceleration of the natural cycle by Man. The rate that temperature change happens is important, as lifeforms can only migrate in response at a maximum speed.
From our point of view, all climate change is adverse, whether natural or not. Ice Ages are natural, but we can't expect to enjoy one. They may well be a response to excessive heating, a kind of natural backlash.
Ice shelves in the Antarctic are melting, ones which have existed for thousands of years.
If the climate destabilises, some places will get hotter, others colder, even if the average is up. So we shouldn't read too much into short-term weather fluctuations in one place, as the Deniers do.
After a series of bad winters, the buzz phrase forty years ago was 'The next ice age is upon us'. Scientific organisations made a packet doing research into that also.
a very sensible post moon-person...
almost too sensible for chit-chat :)
almost too sensible for chit-chat :)
Bad winters where?
Forty years ago science was nowhere near capable of measuring global temperature. They are struggling to do it now, with many satellites and massive super-computer clusters.
Forty years ago science was nowhere near capable of measuring global temperature. They are struggling to do it now, with many satellites and massive super-computer clusters.
The sun radiates uniformly in all directions, mainly visible light and infrared radiation, and we can calculate the total amount of energy radiated by measuring the quantity of solar energy/second reaching every square meter of Earth and then multiplying that by the total surface area of a sphere with radius equal to the radius of Earth orbit. We get the astonishingly huge amount of 400 trillion trillion watts. To put this into a crazy context, every second the sun produces the same energy as about a trillion 1 megaton bombs! In one second, our sun produces enough energy for almost 500,000 years of the current needs of our so-called civilization.
http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2005/09/05/how_much_energy_does_the_sun_produce/
While it feels like we get a lot of energy from our Sun, the amount we actually receive is very small. Because of Earth's distance from our Sun, and because the Sun sends energy in all directions, we only get about one two-billionth of the amount emitted by our Sun.
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/education/skytellers/sun/about.shtml
so 500000years divided by 2000000000 = 0.00025
1/0.00025 = 4000
so as much energy lands on the earth from the sun in 4000seconds. (less than 70 minutes) as all our civilisation uses in a year.........
of put another way human energy use (assuming all our energy is added to the earth rather than converted into another form) contributes one 8760th to the energy arriving
im a climate skeptic i guess
http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2005/09/05/how_much_energy_does_the_sun_produce/
While it feels like we get a lot of energy from our Sun, the amount we actually receive is very small. Because of Earth's distance from our Sun, and because the Sun sends energy in all directions, we only get about one two-billionth of the amount emitted by our Sun.
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/education/skytellers/sun/about.shtml
so 500000years divided by 2000000000 = 0.00025
1/0.00025 = 4000
so as much energy lands on the earth from the sun in 4000seconds. (less than 70 minutes) as all our civilisation uses in a year.........
of put another way human energy use (assuming all our energy is added to the earth rather than converted into another form) contributes one 8760th to the energy arriving
im a climate skeptic i guess
Thank you, Statistics. It makes a nice change not to get abuse on here.
Sooner or later Mankind will be wiped out by some ghastly environmental change. It would be a pity to do it to ourselves though.
Science is certainly**out of shape by big money, but the big money doing the bending in this case has been coming from huge companies opposed to action, subsidising the Deniers. It is ironic that they now pretend it is the publicly funded scientists who are**
Sooner or later Mankind will be wiped out by some ghastly environmental change. It would be a pity to do it to ourselves though.
Science is certainly**out of shape by big money, but the big money doing the bending in this case has been coming from huge companies opposed to action, subsidising the Deniers. It is ironic that they now pretend it is the publicly funded scientists who are**
afterjacko. 11 Nov 13:22
The fact is that there are too many organisations making a pretty penny from the concept........ millennium bug all over again.....I remember all the warning that my toaster and TV etc etc would stop working at the stroke of midnight....all those billions spent and what happened....nothing!
As someone who worked in the IT industry at the time I can say that yes there was a heck of a lot of overkill by the press especially in respect of domestic appliances and the like. BUT there were also a lot of legacy computer systems that had been developed where dates were held in a 6 digit format (ddmmyy in the UK) so these systems did all need to be checked and where appropriate corrected so 01/01/00 weren't not treated as being 01/01/1900 etc. The reason why "nothing! happened" was because the systems WERE checked.
The fact is that there are too many organisations making a pretty penny from the concept........ millennium bug all over again.....I remember all the warning that my toaster and TV etc etc would stop working at the stroke of midnight....all those billions spent and what happened....nothing!
As someone who worked in the IT industry at the time I can say that yes there was a heck of a lot of overkill by the press especially in respect of domestic appliances and the like. BUT there were also a lot of legacy computer systems that had been developed where dates were held in a 6 digit format (ddmmyy in the UK) so these systems did all need to be checked and where appropriate corrected so 01/01/00 weren't not treated as being 01/01/1900 etc. The reason why "nothing! happened" was because the systems WERE checked.
I did quite a lot of that Millennium stuff. It was desperately boring, but necessary.
It had nothing to do with toasters.
It had nothing to do with toasters.
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