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09 Nov 09
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If the two World Wars, or any other wars, never occurred, on average, how many extra family members would you have ?
My grandad was lucky and came home from WW1.
He had two sons and a daughter.
My dad had me and my sister.
My uncle had 5 boys in two marriages.
My aunt had one daughter.
Me and my sister have 5 children between us.
Our offspring have produced 4 grandchildren.
My uncles sons had 7 children, who had 4 grandchildren, the last I heard.
My aunts daughter had 2 children. They have produced 2 grandchildren.
After all the parents, aunts and uncles have died, there are still 32 people, possibly more, alive today, solely because my grandad got home from the war.
Grandads two older brothers died in France.
His younger brother got home, but he and his wife had no children.
If grandads two brothers had survived the war and produced the same numbers, there would be another 64 people alive today.
If there were no wars, the UK population would be a bit squashed for room imo.
My grandad was lucky and came home from WW1.
He had two sons and a daughter.
My dad had me and my sister.
My uncle had 5 boys in two marriages.
My aunt had one daughter.
Me and my sister have 5 children between us.
Our offspring have produced 4 grandchildren.
My uncles sons had 7 children, who had 4 grandchildren, the last I heard.
My aunts daughter had 2 children. They have produced 2 grandchildren.
After all the parents, aunts and uncles have died, there are still 32 people, possibly more, alive today, solely because my grandad got home from the war.
Grandads two older brothers died in France.
His younger brother got home, but he and his wife had no children.
If grandads two brothers had survived the war and produced the same numbers, there would be another 64 people alive today.
If there were no wars, the UK population would be a bit squashed for room imo.
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Both my grandfathers survived the war too, i guess we are lucky and gratefull.
My grandads brother embraced my grandad as they passed each other in port, my grandad coming home, his brother going out, he was a gunner on a royal navy vessel that was bombed a few days later and lost at sea, so theres a few there im sure.
On the flip side though my grandma had one kid (my mam) with my grandad who got killed in the war. She re-married after the war and had another 6 kids with her second husband, none of whom would have existed had my grandad survived the war.
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Welcome to chit chat.
Welcome to chit chat.
Not many of my family were killed in the Wars, my great-uncle Dick is the only one I know of. A lot have lost touch due to bad blood between my Dad and his brothers.
Since not a lot of women were killed, it's possible that a lot of ground was made up population-wise by survivors putting buns in multiple ovens.
You don't expect many serious threads on here, most of them attract vicious trolls who put people off posting.
Since not a lot of women were killed, it's possible that a lot of ground was made up population-wise by survivors putting buns in multiple ovens.
You don't expect many serious threads on here, most of them attract vicious trolls who put people off posting.
True.
Anybody else with anything worthwhile to say ?
Anybody else with anything worthwhile to say ?
I think in WWI around 12% of Males of Military Age were dead at the end of the War in the UK
I think Moon Light has got it right. Without the World Wars, the copulation would have been different, but not necessarily the population.
cannon-fodder BC.
There is a theory that WW1 was a deliberate act to keep populations low, and as the ruling classes see the lives of lower orders as worthless (I was going to start a thread about this btw - I'll save it for the politics forum), they didn't mind seeing so many killed.
There is a theory that WW1 was a deliberate act to keep populations low, and as the ruling classes see the lives of lower orders as worthless (I was going to start a thread about this btw - I'll save it for the politics forum), they didn't mind seeing so many killed.
Tobes, what Study says wouldn't surprise me in the least.
A conspiracy theory up their with the 9/11 stuff imo
I would have no extra family members as if it wasnt for the war my grandparents would never have met and i wouldnt exsist!!!
Im glad you cant change history!
Im glad you cant change history!
The losses of my family in Round One of the European Civil War included seven great-great-uncles, five of whom died without issue. One of them was 15 years old when he went down with his ship. Round Two saw my grandparents lose a total of five brothers, though one of them survived to 1947 before succumbing to his wounds. Only one of those men left any children.
One reason for the lack of descendents of servicemen killed in battle is their youth - talk about virgin soldiers. Another effect of the mortality of war is one that the politically correct hate to discuss: we tend to lose our fittest and bravest young men in war, not our weak and cowardly. This must have a marked effect on our society.
I disagree with Study's theory that the 1914-18 war was a deliberate ploy by the 'ruling classes' to keep down the 'lower orders'. As a proportion of those killed, the officer class suffered far more than the other ranks. The lifespan of a young subaltern was measured in weeks. Most officers were drawn from the 'ruling classes' at that time, so if there was a plan such as Study envisages, it backfired very badly.
In Round Two of the European Civil War, the only remaining class-ridden part of the Armed Forces (outside a few regiments of mechanised cavalry) was the Royal Air Force. The RAF was famous for sending its officers off to die, however, and again, proportionately, they lost more officers than men.
None of this should be read as a paean of praise for the officer class who are, I am convinced, unfit to lace the boots of the men who walk all over them.
I spent Saturday and Sunday in the company of heroes who had gone to London to grace the March Past at the Cenotaph with their presence. My allocated shower, this year, were veterans of the Korean War. The difference between their attitude to the proceedings and that of the men from Round Two is remarkable. The KW guys have no respect for any authority. They smirked and made funny shapes at the cameras. They refused to be herded by anyone. But when they marched past the Cenotaph, they showed as much respect as those who went before.
(They threw an impromptu birthday party for me on Saturday. That's the first time I've ever seen a cake that depicted a sexual act.)
How many of their generation were lost to us before they could breed? How many have we lost this year? As I've tried to point out here, in war we lose the best men. If we want to control the population, we should send the worst women.
[duck and cover]
One reason for the lack of descendents of servicemen killed in battle is their youth - talk about virgin soldiers. Another effect of the mortality of war is one that the politically correct hate to discuss: we tend to lose our fittest and bravest young men in war, not our weak and cowardly. This must have a marked effect on our society.
I disagree with Study's theory that the 1914-18 war was a deliberate ploy by the 'ruling classes' to keep down the 'lower orders'. As a proportion of those killed, the officer class suffered far more than the other ranks. The lifespan of a young subaltern was measured in weeks. Most officers were drawn from the 'ruling classes' at that time, so if there was a plan such as Study envisages, it backfired very badly.
In Round Two of the European Civil War, the only remaining class-ridden part of the Armed Forces (outside a few regiments of mechanised cavalry) was the Royal Air Force. The RAF was famous for sending its officers off to die, however, and again, proportionately, they lost more officers than men.
None of this should be read as a paean of praise for the officer class who are, I am convinced, unfit to lace the boots of the men who walk all over them.
I spent Saturday and Sunday in the company of heroes who had gone to London to grace the March Past at the Cenotaph with their presence. My allocated shower, this year, were veterans of the Korean War. The difference between their attitude to the proceedings and that of the men from Round Two is remarkable. The KW guys have no respect for any authority. They smirked and made funny shapes at the cameras. They refused to be herded by anyone. But when they marched past the Cenotaph, they showed as much respect as those who went before.
(They threw an impromptu birthday party for me on Saturday. That's the first time I've ever seen a cake that depicted a sexual act.)
How many of their generation were lost to us before they could breed? How many have we lost this year? As I've tried to point out here, in war we lose the best men. If we want to control the population, we should send the worst women.
[duck and cover]
in war we lose the best men
Only a military man would believe that, Bill. It's understandable, but intellectually unsustainable.
Only a military man would believe that, Bill. It's understandable, but intellectually unsustainable.
Orioles, war seldom kills the men and women who send teenagers off to slaughter. It seldom kills the nervous nellies who stay behind, in prison if necessary.
War kills the strong and the brave because they are the ones who put themselves in harm's way. It kills those who love their country and enriches those who love their money. It kills the young men more than the old and it kills more men than women.
War kills the best of us and leaves the rest of us poorer for their loss and the loss of their children.
War kills the strong and the brave because they are the ones who put themselves in harm's way. It kills those who love their country and enriches those who love their money. It kills the young men more than the old and it kills more men than women.
War kills the best of us and leaves the rest of us poorer for their loss and the loss of their children.
probably made little difference - the post ww1 flu pandemic would have killed a few 10's of millions more
but we'll never know for sure
but we'll never know for sure
The Flu Pnademic would not have happened without the war
I had no idea you were a communist, Bill.
Welcome :)
Your theory is best kept for a CCF talk at public school - they lap that stuff up.
Welcome :)
Your theory is best kept for a CCF talk at public school - they lap that stuff up.
I saw a recording of Harry Patch on the television on Sunday.
'Any man who tell you he wasn't scared in the trenches was a damn liar. When the whistle went to go over the top you had no idea how long you were going to live.'
But still they went over.
Call them brave, call them stupid, but never let it be said that they weren't men.
'Any man who tell you he wasn't scared in the trenches was a damn liar. When the whistle went to go over the top you had no idea how long you were going to live.'
But still they went over.
Call them brave, call them stupid, but never let it be said that they weren't men.
Your theory is best kept for a CCF talk at public school - they lap that stuff up.
I know. ;-)
It's still true, though. Destroy your best bulls before you breed from them and you'll have a lesser herd.
I know. ;-)
It's still true, though. Destroy your best bulls before you breed from them and you'll have a lesser herd.
... or white, English and working class.
Orioles, you make that sound like an insult. (Mihi quaeso ignosce.)
Not everyone has your breeding but I believe the workingmen of Britain can match your manhood.
Orioles, you make that sound like an insult. (Mihi quaeso ignosce.)
Not everyone has your breeding but I believe the workingmen of Britain can match your manhood.
My family may not have fought in the wars, but grandfather and papa did send a number of angry letters to the Times.
We did our bit.
We did our bit.
Your wigship, concerning ones daughter. Not heard a word since the letter was sent. She phoned me earlier, they sent another one asking for one payment for half of the money to clear the debt, and offered her the chance to pay it over 3 months.
I told her to ignore it.
I told her to ignore it.
Send the boys round, Charlie. Only way with these shylocks.
I'd go myself but Leeds ain't**ney friendly, amd I;ve got a nervous disposition.
I;ve got a nervous disposition.
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Sorry, started choking there for some reason.
:^0 :^0 :^0
Sorry, started choking there for some reason.
Wars are a part of the Illuminati's population control plan, big one coming NAP.
Wars are a part of the Illuminati's population control plan, big one coming NAP.
I don't give any credence to the Illuminati theory but I am convinced that Round Three of the European Civil War is almost on us.
I don't give any credence to the Illuminati theory but I am convinced that Round Three of the European Civil War is almost on us.
Sounds like a plan, BC.
Now all that remains is MY bill!
Now all that remains is MY bill!
BC told me he sent a Czech.
He also wants to know what happened to his birthday hamper from Harrods.
He also wants to know what happened to his birthday hamper from Harrods.
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My family may not have fought in the wars, but grandfather and papa did send a number of angry letters to the Times.
We did our bit.
orioles and bill were class.
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My family may not have fought in the wars, but grandfather and papa did send a number of angry letters to the Times.
We did our bit.
orioles and bill were class.
I haven't received one, CMAT. My address hasn't changed so is there a problem your end?
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