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By:
Early Morning Riser
When: 09 Nov 09 19:31
well your info is wrong then
By:
lmfao
When: 09 Nov 09 19:37
i think the shadow minister for health should know what he's on about
By:
Early Morning Riser
When: 09 Nov 09 19:44
Wednesday, August 5, 2009
Further to my post on Monday, Conservative Home reports that "58% of Tory members support relaxation of smoking ban".

Editor Tim Montgomerie writes:

58% of the 1,493 Tory members who voted in Conservative Home's end-July survey of opinion agreed with the contention that 'the Conservatives should relax the smoking ban so that pubs, restaurants and private clubs can apply to allow smoking on their premises'. 39% disagreed. The figures for Conservative voters are similar: 55% to 40%.
By:
lmfao
When: 09 Nov 09 19:46
Surgeon General: No Safe Level for Secondhand Smoke
Report Bolsters Clean Indoor Air Efforts



Secondhand smoke is dangerous in any amount, and the only way to protect people from that danger is to eliminate indoor smoking. SOURCE: US Surgeon General Richard Carmona. The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke.

"The health effects of secondhand smoke exposure are more pervasive than we previously thought," said Carmona, vice admiral of the US Public Health Service. "The scientific evidence is now indisputable: Secondhand smoke is not a mere annoyance. It is a serious health hazard that can lead to disease and premature death in children and nonsmoking adults."

Cancer experts praised Carmona's report, which adds weight to efforts to get clean indoor air laws passed throughout the country.

"Today's report should end any lingering debate over the importance of enacting comprehensive smoke-free laws," said John Seffrin PhD, chief executive officer of the American Cancer Society. "The report confirms that the only way to protect people from secondhand smoke is to eliminate their exposure."

Secondhand Smoke Causes Lung Cancer, Other Diseases
Medical experts and public health officials have long known that secondhand smoke poses a danger to non-smokers. A Surgeon General's report in 1986 found that secondhand smoke can cause lung cancer, and also concluded that merely separating smokers from nonsmokers doesn't eliminate the threat from secondhand smoke.

The new report pulls together evidence from the numerous studies that have been done on secondhand smoke since that time. It includes in-depth analyses of the toxic effects of secondhand smoke, including how it causes cancer, damages the respiratory tract, and harms the circulatory system. The report also examines the impact of secondhand smoke on children, and looks at exposure levels in the United States.

In terms of cancer, the report confirms that secondhand smoke can cause lung cancer and that nonsmokers who live with a smoker have a 20%-30% higher risk of lung cancer because of exposure to secondhand smoke.

The report says there isn't enough evidence to say for sure that secondhand smoke causes breast cancer, but existing evidence is "suggestive."

Other major conclusions:


Secondhand smoke causes premature death and disease in adults and children who do not smoke.
Exposure to secondhand smoke has immediate negative effects on the heart, and causes heart disease and lung cancer.
Secondhand smoke can worsen asthma in children, and puts them at risk for sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), respiratory infections, and ear problems.
Scientific evidence shows that there is no risk-free level of exposure to secondhand smoke.
Millions of American adults and children are still exposed to secondhand smoke at home and in the workplace.
Having separate smoking and nonsmoking areas, cleaning the air, and ventilating buildings cannot eliminate secondhand smoke exposure. Prohibiting smoking in indoor spaces does.

tHIS IS WHY THE SMOKING BAN IN PUBS MUST REMAIN IN FORCE




and theres more in a mo.....
By:
lmfao
When: 09 Nov 09 19:47
Shadow health secretary Andrew Lansley "the Conservatives want "severe restrictions" on smoking in enclosed public places to protect workers and children"
By:
Early Morning Riser
When: 09 Nov 09 20:00
under the tories propossed THE GREAT REPEAL BILL. under the civil deregulation xxii chapter1. states than the anti smoking laws could be ammended to allow pubs/clubs to decide themselves if they want their pubs/clubs smoking or non smoking.
By:
Early Morning Riser
When: 09 Nov 09 20:08
Greg Knight, Conservative MP for East Yorkshire, said: Britain's pubs and clubs are at the heart of every local community and the UK approach of banning indoor smoking everywhere is damaging the viability of many licensed premises where people wish to smoke. Pub landlords and club committees know best what their customers want and they should be allowed to provide smoking rooms if there is a demand."
By:
lmfao
When: 09 Nov 09 20:10
Having separate smoking and nonsmoking areas, cleaning the air, and ventilating buildings cannot eliminate secondhand smoke exposure. Prohibiting smoking in indoor spaces does.

tHIS IS WHY THE SMOKING BAN IN PUBS MUST REMAIN IN FORCE
By:
delz
When: 09 Nov 09 20:13
Yawn.
By:
Early Morning Riser
When: 09 Nov 09 20:18
According to Cancer Research UK, the increased risk of contracting lung cancer if you work in a profession that regularly exposes you to diesel fumes is 47% - twice that of exposure to SHS assumed in SCOTH.

Those living in areas with high levels of nitrogen oxide (usually caused by vehicle emissions) have an increased chance of about 33% of contracting lung cancer.

Workers in the ship-building or construction industry have been estimated to have an increased chance of contracting lung cancer of up to 50% - twice that assumed for workers exposed to SHS by SCOTH.

One study even suggests that women who dont smoke, but have a wood-burning fire at home, may have an increased risk of lung disease in excess of 300%.

A French study in 2003 suggested a typical barbecue in ones garden releases the same number of dioxins that would be emitted from 220,000 cigarettes.

So, even if one accepts the SCOTH reports numbers on the increased risk suffered by those working in smoke-filled pubs and clubs, these risks pale into utter insignificance compared to risks we readily and unquestionably accept elsewhere.
By:
lmfao
When: 09 Nov 09 20:22
EMR
if these activities concern you- do something about it.

This has nothing to do with smoking in pubs.


Do YOU smoke indoors in front of children?
By:
Brodie
When: 09 Nov 09 20:28
I do yes. It's because I believe the risk of passive smoking is negligible ,compared to what factories and cars spew into the air.

Pretty pointless to stop smoking when the lungs of the children have been at the mercy of the polluted air in the street all day.

You've got on your high horse about nothing that is proven ( you can't replicate in scientific conditions how secondary smoke affects people and therefore ,you are guessing and have been scaremongered by the government.)
Silly sheep.
By:
Early Morning Riser
When: 09 Nov 09 20:34
spot on Brodie
By:
Moon Light
When: 09 Nov 09 20:35
Hang your head in shame if you smoke in the same room as children.
It's ridiculous to suggest that every single individual should personally replicate scientific results before being guided by them.
It boils down to credibility. These smoking bans are a rare example of the Govts standing up to big business, and should be lauded. Why would they falsify the results?
By:
lmfao
When: 09 Nov 09 20:36
"The report confirms that the only way to protect people from secondhand smoke is to eliminate their exposure."

Secondhand Smoke Causes Lung Cancer, Other Diseases
Medical experts and public health officials have long known that secondhand smoke poses a danger to non-smokers. A Surgeon General's report in 1986 found that secondhand smoke can cause lung cancer, and also concluded that merely separating smokers from nonsmokers doesn't eliminate the threat from secondhand smoke.

The new report pulls together evidence from the numerous studies that have been done on secondhand smoke since that time. It includes in-depth analyses of the toxic effects of secondhand smoke, including how it causes cancer, damages the respiratory tract, and harms the circulatory system. The report also examines the impact of secondhand smoke on children, and looks at exposure levels in the United States.

In terms of cancer, the report confirms that secondhand smoke can cause lung cancer and that nonsmokers who live with a smoker have a 20%-30% higher risk of lung cancer because of exposure to secondhand smoke.
By:
lmfao
When: 09 Nov 09 20:39
All smokers have to be in some form of denial. We all know that smoking is dangerous to our health but many smoke in spite of this. Smoking is not a rational act. We smoke because we are in denial of the obvious dangers of smoking. The short-term pleasure and gratification that we get from smoking can seem more important than the health problems that might await us one day in the future. Its easier to keep smoking than to face the difficulty of quitting and possibility of failure. Smokers live in denial. It is easier to take the easy road of tricking oneself into believing that the perils of smoking tobacco are so remote that they can be ignored. You know what I mean. Almost all smokers think this way.
By:
Early Morning Riser
When: 09 Nov 09 20:41
keep eating the beefburgers lmfao
By:
Brodie
When: 09 Nov 09 20:41
If you drive a car passed a school Moon Light ,you should hang your head in shame my friend.
I want evidence that passive smoking is as damaging as you think it is.
Experts 50 years ago alongside the government pushed the cigarette question.
Now they are saying its bad.
Proof please ,otherwise it could be just uninformed nonsense similar to that which was peddled 50 years ago.
By:
Brodie
When: 09 Nov 09 20:44
Lmfao ,tell me how they replicate the lab conditions?
Have they got a smoke inhaling machine that exhales next to a human being for say 4 hours a night for 10 years?
No of course they haven't.
It's all guesswork.
Non-smokers and smokers alike can get lung cancer so how does that marry up?
By:
lmfao
When: 09 Nov 09 20:44
two wrongs dont make a right Brodie

if you believe that driving emissions are harmless - do something about it.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with smoking
By:
delz
When: 09 Nov 09 20:45
P.S. Do YOU smoke indoors in front of children?

Repeat ad nauseam.
By:
lmfao
When: 09 Nov 09 20:47
brodie


Lung cancer incidence rates in men peaked in the late 1970s and since then have decreased by more than 45%. This reflects the decline in smoking rates in men after World War II.
By:
Brodie
When: 09 Nov 09 20:47
Yes it does lmfao, How can I make this simple so you inderstand.
I believe the dangers of 2nd hand smoke are negligible.
Cancers etc are probably caused by pollution.
There is far more of it than 2nd hand smoke.
There is not much I can do about the pollution ,but I choose to do nothing about the smoking because I don't perceive it as a threat.
By:
lmfao
When: 09 Nov 09 20:48
How common is lung cancer?

Lung cancer is the second most common cancer diagnosed in the UK
In 2006, around 39,000 people were diagnosed with lung cancer in the UK, thats 107 people every day
Lung cancer is the second most common cancer in men after prostate cancer, with more than 22,300 new cases diagnosed in the UK in 2006.
More than 16,600 women were diagnosed with lung cancer in the UK in 2006, making it the third most common cancer in women after breast and bowel cancer.
More than 8 in 10 lung cancer cases occur in people aged 60 and over.
Rates of lung cancer in Scotland are among the highest in the world, reflecting their history of high smoking prevalence.
By:
lmfao
When: 09 Nov 09 20:49
Brodie - classic denial
By:
lmfao
When: 09 Nov 09 20:49
The new report pulls together evidence from the numerous studies that have been done on secondhand smoke since that time. It includes in-depth analyses of the toxic effects of secondhand smoke, including how it causes cancer, damages the respiratory tract, and harms the circulatory system. The report also examines the impact of secondhand smoke on children, and looks at exposure levels in the United States.

In terms of cancer, the report confirms that secondhand smoke can cause lung cancer and that nonsmokers who live with a smoker have a 20%-30% higher risk of lung cancer because of exposure to secondhand smoke
By:
Brodie
When: 09 Nov 09 20:50
Lung cancer incidence rates in men peaked in the late 1970s and since then have decreased by more than 45%. This reflects the decline in smoking rates in men after World War II.

Yep less people smoking and directly inhaling the smoke.

As I say, I don't buy the 2nd hand nonsense.
By:
lmfao
When: 09 Nov 09 20:50
the evidence is incontrovertable - theres no need for the jury to retire
By:
niceone
When: 09 Nov 09 20:50
I dont want your second smoke weather it is dangerous or not. It stinks.
By:
lmfao
When: 09 Nov 09 20:51
Most smokers are in denial about the dangers of their habit
By:
delz
When: 09 Nov 09 20:51
Stay in the pub then - don't come out!
By:
Early Morning Riser
When: 09 Nov 09 20:52
According to Cancer Research UK, the increased risk of contracting lung cancer if you work in a profession that regularly exposes you to diesel fumes is 47% - twice that of exposure to SHS assumed in SCOTH.

Those living in areas with high levels of nitrogen oxide (usually caused by vehicle emissions) have an increased chance of about 33% of contracting lung cancer.

Workers in the ship-building or construction industry have been estimated to have an increased chance of contracting lung cancer of up to 50% - twice that assumed for workers exposed to SHS by SCOTH.

One study even suggests that women who dont smoke, but have a wood-burning fire at home, may have an increased risk of lung disease in excess of 300%.

A French study in 2003 suggested a typical barbecue in ones garden releases the same number of dioxins that would be emitted from 220,000 cigarettes.

So, even if one accepts the SCOTH reports numbers on the increased risk suffered by those working in smoke-filled pubs and clubs, these risks pale into utter insignificance compared to risks we readily and unquestionably accept elsewhere.
By:
Brodie
When: 09 Nov 09 20:53
LMFAO, I don't smoke mate. I just said that to get your Daily Mail knickers in twist.
Provide me with the outline of how these experiments into passive smoking are run.
Reports don't do it for me.
As I say ,50 years ago reports actually said smoking was good for you.
By:
lmfao
When: 09 Nov 09 20:53
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/914475/still_smoking_watch_this/
By:
fouraces
When: 09 Nov 09 20:53
lmfao 09 Nov 21:51


Most smokers are in denial about the dangers of their habit

If you dont smoke why does it worry you so much.
By:
niceone
When: 09 Nov 09 20:55
50 yeays ago they said Guinness was good for you. They got that wrong as well.
By:
Early Morning Riser
When: 09 Nov 09 20:55
fouraces 09 Nov 21:53
lmfao 09 Nov 21:51


Most smokers are in denial about the dangers of their habit

If you dont smoke why does it worry you so much.


because he's one of those pc brigade people. because he dont smoke he dont want anybody else to smoke
By:
niceone
When: 09 Nov 09 20:57
Smoke all you want. Go outside and do it. There's a good chappie.
By:
fouraces
When: 09 Nov 09 20:57
I dont doubt it EMR

I bet he and his fellow nanny state brigade all like a drink though
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