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23 Feb 23 17:08
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I am going with a cheeky six
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Report Hibore February 23, 2023 5:21 PM GMT
Day 1 - 3 winners
Day 2 - 2 winners
Day 3 - 2 winners
Day 4 - 2 winners

10 in total.
Report Hibore February 23, 2023 5:21 PM GMT
9 even Laugh
Report strontium February 23, 2023 6:05 PM GMT
The handicaps seem more even nowadays, and Hendo has several very strong chances, so 10 seems reasonable.
Report sageform February 24, 2023 7:25 PM GMT
My guess was 10 but to be different I will go 11.
Report duffy February 25, 2023 6:29 AM GMT
I reckon 7
Report sageform February 25, 2023 9:21 AM GMT
Tahmuras, Jonbon, Constitution Hill, Oscar Elite? Hermes Allen, Thyme Hill (with a jockey doubt as a negative), Edwardstone, Stage Star, Shishkin, Luccia, Scriptwriter, Bravemansgame. Irish Hill in either the Coral or the Martin Pipe.
Report strontium February 25, 2023 10:12 AM GMT
To add to your list, Sage, Marie's Rock has a good chance in either the Stayers or the Mares. Hendo has several good chances in the Pertemps.
Report Bentring February 25, 2023 3:21 PM GMT
Add it takeaway the one that got beat today
Report irishone February 26, 2023 9:15 AM GMT
Hendo has feck all in the pertemps
Willie picked the winner out last August
Report strontium February 26, 2023 11:16 AM GMT
Let's save everyone 40 minutes and give him the cheque now then.
Report sageform February 26, 2023 5:21 PM GMT
Yes, put a line through Scriptwriter. Very strange run.
Report irishone March 14, 2023 10:40 PM GMT
Day 1

Ireland 5
England 1
Scotland 1
Report misselephantstone March 15, 2023 7:18 AM GMT
forgive my ignorance but a genuine question for those more in the know.
WHY? why is it so, i know cos history tells us so, it will turn around eventually but
why are irish trainers/horses winning the most races?
they are obviously better horses that i get but what are the main reasons for this?
Is it cheaper to train horses in ireland due to some form of tax concession?
have they just improved training standards overall and Britain has not moved forward as such?
are their other reasons that im missing,is it because economically they had to sell their best
in the past but now due to a more level playing field they can hold on to them?
Or is it a magnier/obrien knock on effect that has been brewing
for 30 years?
Personally i dont care where they are trained i just want to see the best win competitive races,
just interested why it is so....
Report Bentring March 15, 2023 9:12 AM GMT
Must be prize money as one other forumite commented the DRF as TRIALS day lol,well I don't see any Trials in England that are worth more than race that they are supposedly Trials for.
Maybe some people are just that stupid
Report strontium March 15, 2023 9:45 AM GMT
Actually, quite a few UK handicaps are worth more than their equivalents at the festival.

I think there's a lot to it Missel. First, there is some exceptional talent in Ireland, trainers, jockeys and horsemen. Mullins is a genius and Elliot has pushed him to improve. Second, there are some very rich owners spending huge amounts on the best bloodstock to send to Irish yards, e.g. McManus, Ricci, Gigginstown. In the early 2000s, the best young French bloodstock went to British yards, now it goes to Ireland. Meanwhile, the Irish point to point scene is very strong and the best horses from that are routed to Irish yards. Third, the Irish program battle hardens horses. Because there aren't that many races run in Ireland, young horses have to race against good horses. So when they get to the big meetings they are hardened, even as novices. Meanwhile, in the UK, there is far too much flabby, uncompetitive racing, even at the top grades, so horses don't necessarily have that experience. (I think that's why UK horses are still competitive in the very best open races - because the horses are hardened by the time they get to that level.) Fourth, money is important. Prize money is better in Ireland. Meanwhile, racing in Ireland is considered part of the agriculture industry and heavily supported by the government. There are bound to be many other factors as well.
Report LoyalHoncho March 15, 2023 10:26 AM GMT
It's even worse now for the English as the Scots get in on the act!
Ireland  5   Scotland 1   England 1.
Report LoyalHoncho March 15, 2023 10:27 AM GMT
Sry irish - didn;t do my research and read the thread through before posting.  Still enjoyed it though!  Love
Report misselephantstone March 15, 2023 11:37 AM GMT
money is important. Prize money is better in Ireland. Meanwhile, racing in Ireland is considered part of the agriculture industry and heavily supported by the government
wasnt aware of that but that is massive, good luck to them. having that support behind you means they can keep moving forward.
Report irishone March 15, 2023 12:49 PM GMT
The real reason is the Uk has been run by the politically correct tree huggers.
I am in north galway , bobby joe country
I drove in the park yesterday and there was a thoroughbred tied up waiting for its owner to come out the bank.
So i asked its breeding . A dylan thomas sent to ireland from mccain to sort out his head.
Try parking a thoroughbred in an english car park.
That sums up the difference
Report irishone March 15, 2023 2:32 PM GMT
The traveller community of rathkeale provide the english with their second winner of the week!

Can it get any worse over there ?  (The Real whacker ......)
Report misselephantstone March 15, 2023 2:50 PM GMT
irishone, ive come to the conclusion colonialism is more important to you
than a love of racing...take care.ExcitedCool
Report irishone March 15, 2023 2:51 PM GMT
Definitely ....and you take care
Report misselephantstone March 15, 2023 2:53 PM GMT
thankyou....good luck.
Report irishone March 15, 2023 3:29 PM GMT
And good luck to you too
Report irishone March 15, 2023 8:45 PM GMT
day 2 ireland 5 uk 2

Cumulative. Ireland 10 uk 4

hope England get more points in the rugby saturday anyway
Report strontium March 15, 2023 8:55 PM GMT
I wouldn't bet on it.
Report irishone March 16, 2023 3:21 PM GMT
Does a french win count for the U K ?
Report irishone March 17, 2023 12:12 AM GMT
This is getting embarrassing
cant be bothered to count up anymore

does the bha take responsibility or not ?

they are failing british horseracing .....
Report strontium March 17, 2023 12:08 PM GMT
Why should the BHA care where a winner is trained?
Report irishone March 17, 2023 12:44 PM GMT
British Horseracing Authority have said that "the health of British jump racing is always on our radar" and that "work is well under way across several areas" to improve the competitiveness of British-trained National Hunt horses at the highest level, following the four-day Cheltenham Festival meeting where Irish-trained horses won 23 of the 28 races.

Tuesday’s comment is the BHA’s first public acknowledgement of the unprecedented dominance of Irish stables at the sport’s showpiece event, despite the visitors fielding only 40 per cent of the runners over the four days.

Willie Mullins and Henry de Bromhead saddled six winners apiece - one more than all British stables combined - while Denise Foster, the new licence holder at Gordon Elliott's stable following his recent suspension, sent out three. Twelve of the Festival's 14 Grade One contests went to Ireland, including all six of the non-novice Grade Ones over jumps, while 60 per cent of places in the frame also went to Irish-trained runners.

Report strontium March 17, 2023 10:09 PM GMT
18-10 (10-4 in the grade 1s).
Report irishone March 18, 2023 9:22 AM GMT
be a challenge for the england rugby team to get over ten points today
Report sageform March 19, 2023 12:36 PM GMT
Gave Ireland a proper game until the sending off but Ireland have had a great season.
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