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Anyone know when the weights for the handicaps are confirmed?
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Don't really help much when there are so many multiple entries but I suppose some apparently well handicapped ones will be backed.
Can’t wait, literally haven’t been able to wait and just trusted the handicapper to be fair. I think the Irish used to average 3-5lb more when coming over to GB. I’ve got a feeling it will be more like 7-10lb for them this time.
Hefty rises have not been the story so far this season with Irish raiders.
The Irish trainers wont bother sending them over if they have too much weight.
This has been the case for years not just in tiger rolls case.
They know what weights their horses have a chance with because they train them better and know what they are at.
The notion of training on the job is looked down upon by the BHA and results in a Stewards Enquiry when horses arent ridden to win. If that happened in Ireland there wouldn't be any racing.
They can put up the weights as much as they like, but if the Irish dont come over at the top of the handicap there will be space for more to come over at the bottom. J P would luv that !
This has been the case for years not just in tiger rolls case.
They know what weights their horses have a chance with because they train them better and know what they are at.
The notion of training on the job is looked down upon by the BHA and results in a Stewards Enquiry when horses arent ridden to win. If that happened in Ireland there wouldn't be any racing.
They can put up the weights as much as they like, but if the Irish dont come over at the top of the handicap there will be space for more to come over at the bottom. J P would luv that !
I’ve found one in the boodles that’s good enough to win the triumph so I’m not fussed what weight they give it as it has so much in hand. I know loads but of non triers will turn up in that race but I can’t see it beat!
who ya thinking? i care allen,,,had a small bet for the triumph,boodles bound for sure
Good luck, EB1, but tread carefully as this often goes to rags.
In the last 10 years, it has been won by two 25/1 shots, three at 33/1, 40/1 and last year, 80/1. Only three times below 10/1 and only one of those was favourite.
In the last 10 years, it has been won by two 25/1 shots, three at 33/1, 40/1 and last year, 80/1. Only three times below 10/1 and only one of those was favourite.
Tomorrow will show if the handicapper has been paying attention. I’ll say who it is once the weights are out although I doubt it’s a big secret from some of you clued your folk.
And yeah it’s a very dangerous race to betting big, and I wouldn’t normally but can’t let this one go.
And yeah it’s a very dangerous race to betting big, and I wouldn’t normally but can’t let this one go.
Ratings released by BHA today but won’t be widely available until tomorrow, Wednesday 2nd March
Twitter thread here with all of the weights for 2022
https://twitter.com/OTTR_Elliot/status/1498633322905358337
https://twitter.com/OTTR_Elliot/status/1498633322905358337
Ok, bit of homework for you all….the horse in question is Elliotts The Tide Turns.
Just watch its last two races, first at Leopardstown where he was pulling the horse head back, trying to get it to slow down while flapping his arms around pretending to try!
If he let it go, I honestly think it would of gone very close to beating to the big two that day (Fil dor and Vauban).
Then at Gowran Park it was going as well as anything turning for home, all jockeys started riding to accelerate off the corner accept this one, the jockey stayed motionless, even coming stand side maybe by coincidence to avoid the camera!
Elliott has a good record in this race and two of his winners had a similar amount of runs on the flat for another trainer.
His horses that do well in this have a first run for the yard at Xmas or new year, and normally win their first race before not trying to try and get a low mark in the next two races.
This horse has a similar profile to his winners in 2013 and 2019, although they were off 127 and 129, where as this one shoulders 137.
After a quick skim through, Hms seahorse looks well in getting 9lb off my boy and would of been a lot closer to the two stars at Punchestown pied piper and fil dor but for a mistake two out. His available at 12/1 so I’ve had a small cover bet.
Before judging these comments, please watch these races I advised, it’s amazing how Elliott gets away with it tbh.
Just watch its last two races, first at Leopardstown where he was pulling the horse head back, trying to get it to slow down while flapping his arms around pretending to try!
If he let it go, I honestly think it would of gone very close to beating to the big two that day (Fil dor and Vauban).
Then at Gowran Park it was going as well as anything turning for home, all jockeys started riding to accelerate off the corner accept this one, the jockey stayed motionless, even coming stand side maybe by coincidence to avoid the camera!
Elliott has a good record in this race and two of his winners had a similar amount of runs on the flat for another trainer.
His horses that do well in this have a first run for the yard at Xmas or new year, and normally win their first race before not trying to try and get a low mark in the next two races.
This horse has a similar profile to his winners in 2013 and 2019, although they were off 127 and 129, where as this one shoulders 137.
After a quick skim through, Hms seahorse looks well in getting 9lb off my boy and would of been a lot closer to the two stars at Punchestown pied piper and fil dor but for a mistake two out. His available at 12/1 so I’ve had a small cover bet.
Before judging these comments, please watch these races I advised, it’s amazing how Elliott gets away with it tbh.
It wasn't missed the last day tbf, I backed Ebasari after he beat Adamantly Chosen for this who is another Elliott runner and ran behind Brasil last time, but this Gaelic Warrior looks like it might be one of the biggest smash up jobs of the week as the vibes suggest he could be a high graded horse racing off 129.
Wouldnt disagree with Barnes , just point out though that the horse got beat at 1/3 in a 3 horse all weather race from a seemingly winning position . May not be entirely straightforward .
Just been asked for electricity bill for my house fron p p
Sent them irish bill
Not having it
Sent them greek bill
Not having it
They have my passport driving license and more information on me than my wife
And they still limit me to £2.34 @ 50\1
thats Paddies !
Sent them irish bill
Not having it
Sent them greek bill
Not having it
They have my passport driving license and more information on me than my wife
And they still limit me to £2.34 @ 50\1
thats Paddies !
why go thru the pain ,when u know the account is screwed ,,get a new one or get someone to go in a paddy shop...
Yeah I’d expect most on here to be fully aware of the horses ability tbf Duffy. I just missed it as I was focused on the horses I backed and it’s market rivals in those particular races.
Cheers Paulo, sounds like it maybe best produced late and may even be worth a keep lay.
Davy Russell has never won this race surprisingly, or maybe not given his flat rats previous comments, so I’m hoping Kennedy rides.
Cheers Paulo, sounds like it maybe best produced late and may even be worth a keep lay.
Davy Russell has never won this race surprisingly, or maybe not given his flat rats previous comments, so I’m hoping Kennedy rides.
The handicapper has put a few up a good few pounds, there will be an exodus from a good few as well.
Major errors in places there are a few being backed now from the emerald isle.
Major errors in places there are a few being backed now from the emerald isle.
No doubt some of the handicappers will improve by 20lb or more but some never win again after romping home at Cheltenham while others go on to be Grade 1 winners.
They havent improved by twenty pounds
they were given a rating by a tw4t at the BHA who hasnt got a clue about how the Irish train horses
The rating has been proved wrong time after time
If a thoroughbred dont fancy it one day your rating is fecked
All it is ..... at best ...is a guideline
Ridden by the same jockey , on the same ground etc etc etc bla bla bla
Complete and utter ignorance by the BHA and anyone who follows them
they were given a rating by a tw4t at the BHA who hasnt got a clue about how the Irish train horses
The rating has been proved wrong time after time
If a thoroughbred dont fancy it one day your rating is fecked
All it is ..... at best ...is a guideline
Ridden by the same jockey , on the same ground etc etc etc bla bla bla
Complete and utter ignorance by the BHA and anyone who follows them
The Irish handicapper is always dead on, so look out for horses running 20 pounds below their Irish mark.
Irish handicapper aint stupid enough to take an objective view on a subjective animal.
So how does an Irish handicapper rate a horse that finishes 50 lengths behind Kilcruit in a novice hurdle without being asked any questions? 20lb inferior?, 50lb inferior? Still a pure guess and there is a strong case for not giving a handicap rating to a horse from another country (and that includes Ireland). When did GB or Ireland last win a decent handicap in France?
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