Defi Du Seuil - Arkel or JLT

lay him for the jlt then

lay material

Jp hasn't had a runner in the arkle since tap dancer in simonsigs arkle

maybe he don't like the race

no doubt nonsense 123 has backed something in the jlt and wants him in the arkle a true horrible rat of a poster

as predicted just looked at the lostintranslation thread he's on that... hence his posting of this thread to ramp him for the other race...a truly verminous creature

JLT is the race his trainer wants him in,hes said it quiet openly.
I expect him to be in that race.

connections on 16/1 jlt Kealey said last night

If the rain materialises and he runs in the JLT on thursday against Lostintranslation I'd lay and back against him.

Good luck with that strategy

Well we differ in every respect Imp.

I'd Defi at 10/1 prior to his defeat to Lostintranslation - I thought his stamina gave way - thus I cashed-out. But he won next time at Sandown taking it up just after the last. However, I cannot see him beating the same horse again on soft or worse ground at Cheltenham over 20f even on level weight again.

Isn't JP holding a 16/1 betting slip for Defi in the JLT

I did not know that. Anyway JP could have 21 here, and bigger in the past. A fantastic chance here if the heavens opens prior to the JLT where I'd have thought will stretch his stamina to breaking point if riding soft or worse.

JP might have a 16/1 slip but as he is a billionaire, it is unlikely to make any difference. If the odd £10 or £20,000 does matter to JP then the Arkle has more prize money.

when Joe Tizzard was interviwed on Get In friday night he said that he beleived Defi would be in the JLT according to connections.

JLT confirmed.
As most of us thought

Or should i say,not in Arkle.

Yep, I 2nd guessed wrongly. Hope ground on JLT day is no worse that Arkle day otherwise Lostintranslation, Vindication nd one of the Irish participants might eat him for breakfast up that hill.

To be fair the trainer has pretty much told us last few weeks.
He is tailor made for the in between distance,and has form on all types of going.

wont matter which one the horse is entered in imvho

Well thats another matter.....winning is the hard bit!!
What is important though is being in the right race for the horse to start with.

I cashed-out on Defi at 10/1 after being beaten by the present 2nd fav plus several trebles; only a couple of accas remaining with Paisley Park, Sir Erec, Altior and Too Darn Hot.

Too Darn Hot was never the same horse after he swerved the Tolworth, would have been a good race between him and Laurina in that

I think Defi could be in a spot of bother - weather wise - come thursday; the Cheltenham hill could seem eternity post tomorrow's expected rain.

If Defi gets chinned because of the ground I'd be livid with connections, but hope Lostintranslation could redeem somewhat.

No fecking clue

Real Steal is the1

irish have won 7 of  last 8 runnings of this ,ruby on voix de reve  assuming he would have had the choice of the mullins 3 ? think it will go across the water again .

JLT

The 'sly' promotion and rfc were redemption, but cashed-out of a 10/1 single.

LOSTINTRANSLATION and the ‘yet to record at least 4 career wins’ JLT Stat…
All previous eight winners of the JLT had recorded at least four previous career victories prior to landing the race… The JLT Novices’ Chase is still a race in it’s infancy, with only eight renewals currently on the board. However, the early evidence on the trends front looks very strong and very much suggests that it’s a race for those horses that have already proven that they ‘like to win’. By that I mean all eight winners have proven their desire to get into the winners enclosure on multiple occasions, with all eight previous winners having recorded four or more (UK) career victories.

Those that come into the race with less than four career wins on their CV have returned the following…
0/22 | 0% S/R | -£22.00 LSP – W&P 2/22 | 9% S/R
The fact only two have even placed is what makes me think this stat is going to prove to be a solid one for the race once we’ve had a few more renewals to properly analyse the race.
The problem with Lostintranslation is that he, to date, has not proven to be one of those horses that has a healthy desire to get himself in the winners enclosure more often than not. With a career record of two wins from his ten starts, he seems to regularly like to find at least one too good for him and in relation to previous winners of the JLT, that’s not a good sign.

The defence…
He jumps for fun (most of the time) and he won the Dipper on New Years Day in impressive fashion, storming up the hill to defeat the current JLT fav Defi Du Seuil. He is very much a chaser that still holds immense potential.

Conclusion…
I rate him highly, very highly, and have done since his Novice Hurdle days and in fairness his win ratio/number of wins is likely to be the only negative against him when I draw up my final figures for the race.
I’d be lying, however, if I said that those lack of career wins didn’t concern me a touch and I do suspect there may be at least a couple with a stronger profile for the race…