dominance of ireland.

Yeh
Miltons is right.
I for one would like to apologise for getting drawn into this bullsh1t.

Horses only from now on.

I think the Festival has become a better spectacle with higher quality on show as a direct consequence of recent Irish domination. The success of Elliott and Mullins is compelling British trainers to raise their game. Thus far only Henderson and to a lesser extent Tizzard and Nicholls have made any serious attempt to respond. It's become dispiriting to see the likes of Pipe, King and Hobbs (in particular) struggle at recent Festivals and I'm still waiting for the new generation of bright young things - Harry Fry, Ben Pauling, Warren Greatrex et al - to emerge as serious heavyweights in their own right but that hasn't lessened the entertainment value.

This year with the Mullins yard seemingly under a cloud and notwithstanding the emergence of Joseph O'Brien I think the British trainers will outperform expectations but whether that's a start of something or just a blip only time will tell.

It would certainly be nice to see the British trainers win a few more of the handicaps because in recent years the stats indicate that Irish trained runners have been significantly advantaged by discrepancies between the Irish and British handicap systems which the British handicapper has struggled to grapple with.

marychain and cash, I hope you are right.

I doubt Irish trainers are inherently better than the English ones. Although ones like Joseph for example benefit from connection to a master trainer like Aidan, makes a difference, plus getting access to high-class horse flesh like Sir Erec doesn't harm. Sometimes it goes in cycles. Paul Nicholls was very flat for a while, but now seems to be coming back.

will be interesting to see how this festival pans out.

Pumpkin head is a wonderful trainer,he just hasnt had the ammo lately,even then he has still had Festival winners in last few years,just not in the championship races.
I hope he has a good festival,he deserves it.

Think it will be very close re both countries with total winners this year,agree definitely a resurgence with UK horses compared to last couple of years.

Just on the point of handicaps,didn't the Irish run to their own mark up til about 10 years ago? They coudn't buy a winner then though tbf it was pre Elliott and a smaller Mullins yard.

The general rule of thumb seems to rise them 6lbish though that is at the handicappers discretion(generally fair and consistent imo).
Always a few trainers will think they are hard done( N Meade maybe in the Coral Cuo with De Name Escapes Me,2nd in last hurdle bt 2.5 L off 138,raised 5lb by Irish handicapper but sees another 7lb on top, bit harsh but considering horses like Ballymoy and Old Guard have a similar mark maybe not so bad,conversely the UK handicapper seems to have done him a favour by rising him 7lb if he takes up his Kim Muir engagement as it will probably see him get in, some race btw with just 6lb between the top 31 horses at this stage.)

Ireland get more than their fair share of handicap winners. I've just read the Kevin Blake blog in which he says:

"Mercifully, last year’s weights didn’t elicit nearly as severe a reaction and what panned out on the track backed up the general view prior to the meeting that the weights were fair. Irish-trained horses won five of the 10 handicaps at the meeting, but it took 53 Irish-trained runners to achieve that. This represented a win strike-rate of 9.4%, which is lower than the overall 11% win strike-rate of Irish-trained horses in British National Hunt handicaps that the BHA expressed satisfaction with as being fair in a statement they released in the aftermath of the controversy after the announcement of the Grand National weights in 2017."

What he fails to mention is that it took 165 British horses to get their 5 handicap winners ie. a 3% strike rate. Why the BHA thinks an 11% Irish strike rate is fair when the British strike rate was 3% is beyond me.

That's just daft. The ratio of winners to runners is going to be dependent on how big the fields are, which are always bigger at the festival. As you say, the comparison should be with the British strike rate.

It was the BHA that raised all National Hunt ratings 10lb and the Irish didn't, that was about 10 years ago. When the Irish come over their ratings are consequently raised, the handicapper as got kinder to them the last few years.
  The Irish have made enough noise over that time.
Should connections be allowed to socialise with handicappers? would be my question.

I've read the BHA statement that Kevin Blake referred to and the relevant text is "Over the last eight seasons, in all handicaps in Britain, 11 per cent is the Irish strike-rate and ten per cent is the UK strike-rate."
Those strike rates are in the same ball park and I have no problem with that. By only referring to the Irish strike rate in Cheltenham handicaps Kevin has taken the BHA statement out of context. An Irish strike rate more than three times the British strike rate, as I noted in my post yesterday, indicates a problem and requires further study with a bigger sample size. It would also concern me if Kevin was using his prominent British media profile to lobby for preferential treatment for the lucrative Irish racing industry, especially when the Irish Government is subsidizing Irish racing (67.2 million euros this year).

That article can also be seen on Kevins blog on ATR, i personally didn't think there was anything untoward in it and it was just matter of fact.
Saying that i don't disagree with you (Autocue) in what you are saying that something is fundamentally wrong with the 9.4% and 3% strike rates.
The fact the average "rise" this year from the British handicapper over the handicaps is about a lb from previous years is i think acknowledging your point and while far from draconian is a step to at least try and right the discrepancy between the strike rates.

I wish i listened more attentively as someone gave me what i thought (whether right or wrong) was a good explanation in that young horses ie say a maiden hurdle are handicapped more harshly in the UK and conversely more leniently in Ireland and that is where the difference carries through.(last sentence is only conjecture on my part and open to correction)

Last 3 years h'caps

Irish 16 winners from 156 entries
British 14 winners from 702 entries

Placed in 1st 5

Irish 47 placed out of 156
British 103 placed out of 702.

Perhaps the British trainers should move to Ireland. They can't complain and upset the rich owners.

PC squad have the British trainers over regulated
Irish trainers are under regulated in comparison

In terms of .....
Number of visits from government quangos
Number of vets available to report back
Drug use
Cultural differences

Balance wrong imvho

strike rate is a flawed measure, you need to use % of winners divided by % runners if you are going to sensibly compare irish/UK trained horses in hcaps

the hurdles scale in particular has been wrong for years

I remember the Irish ranting about the handicap mark Presenting Percy got, like 10lbs extra it was if memory serves. LOL

Interesting info Souldancer. I felt uncomfortable picking on last year in case it was a one-off, but you have shown that over the last 3 years the Irish have won 53% of the Cheltenham handicaps with 18% of the runners. You have to admire the way the Irish rally round to moan about their unfair handicap treatment while the British trainers seem happy to take it up the ***. Irish racing is government funded and I think that makes all the difference. Hundreds of thousands to be made on castrated horses over there nowadays, boosted by Irish success at the only fixture that seems to matter nowadays.

Yes, it is goverment funded and you can argue that money can be spent on social disparaties which they are plenty. However Irish racing is in good health though monopolised by a few,the recent arc protests regarding UK prize money are justified and the stark comment of winning a race is the equivalent of 2 weeks training fees is symbolic of how far UK racing has stood still(as far as i remember from 30 years ago the prize money actually has fallen even to inflation).
A bit unfair to slag the Irish model when it looks to me the UK have neglected their racing badly.

Well said

It's not a nationalist argument. I admire Irish racing for the way they run rings around the BHA. If I'm slagging anyone it's the BHA handicappers for failing to provide a level playing field.

so ur saying it is Nationalist then, because if you see an angle why not go with it and keep it to yourself hth

Accept the seemingly looking lopsided stats Autocue but finding the answer is backstopesque, what do you propose? The British handicapper as i said above raised the Irish runners on previous years by a lb,pending on the Irish handicappers performance if they do well this year i can see similar happening next year and so on.
A thin line,conjecture but imagine Noel Meades de Names Escapes Me is staying at home today going for a good pot instead of the so called olympics simply because he would consider him "badly" handicapped over.

The best thing about this year , is the english think they have a few.
Our lads havent been about last three months
So handicapper has no clue how good they really are
Only problem is ......neither do we !

I dont mind the t caddys winning races, just hope they dont wave that fooking flag

The trend showing bias towards Irish handicappers continued this year. Over the last four Cheltenham Festivals (2016-2019), Irish trained horses have won 53% of the handicaps with 26% of the runners.
Over that period, the Irish winner strike rate is 9%. The British strike rate is 2.8%. Are the BHA handicappers on the Irish racing payroll?

Autocue is it not just the Irish horses are better trained and overall better bred horses? In that time stated above how many cups have the Irish won

I think you English need to concentrate on beating the Irish over the 28 races instead of worrying about bloody handicaps!!!

I think most of us English do not give a toss wheteva horse is trained when it comes to Cheltenham winners

Where a horse is trained

Has a Gold Cup runner ever been trained by a traveller? Or no runner permissible from that quarter.

Crawl into a hole ffs

Easter hero named after 1916, was bred from an Arab

I think theres one or two that need to crawl into a hole to be honest.
Imp would not be one on my list.

Imp would be high on my list along with yourself  budd
People who dont let the facts get in the way
Of their totally biased derogatory views
Laced with subterfuge and false humility
Should welcome a hole like the hermits they are

Totally agree with above

You both need to get out more and find some friends and budd have a lie in once in a while ffs

Such nice people!!

I believe horse racing is one of those rare sports that transcends the colour of someone’s flag and petty and pathetic tribal rivalries. I believe one reason for this is because at the heart of the sport is an animal and one of the most glorious, courageous and incredible animals on the planet at that. While there are at times tensions between owners, jockeys and trainers I would say that the massive mutual respect all parties show each other is an example for all other sports and one of the main reasons why I love this sport so much. There have been threads on this forum and comments made that drag this wonderful sport into the gutter. I have read many references on here that in other walks of life would be considered toxic or highly provocative. I have read people being insulted and ridiculed for holding the views they do. I have witnessed posters being subjected to distasteful accusations and people being treated with a total lack of respect. The saddest thing however is that this forum appears to be incapable of self policing and this in my opinion is why it is dying. If people choose to trash this forum, others should collectively help drive a shift in behaviour in that person.

And what dump twit buys & brings an Irish flag to a racecourse, only to fcuk it away later at some passing jockey. Dumpboos

Types on here?
1 nice moderate posters vast majority
2 thick tw4ts needing education
3 bullys, racists covertly operating
4 attention seekers

Block them and you defeat the object
Of going on a forum in the first placde
Blocking says more about you than them

Why would you want to block anyone, you couldn't see what they were saying about you.

Some comments may sting momentarily but it's just words at the end of the day. We're on a forum where opinions are diverse and bound to raise tensions from time to time, who cares!!

Agree duffy

Fine Duffy. If you and others truly believe this forum is delivering on its potential then fair play it is your forum to do whatever you want with. My post had absolutely nothing to do with peoples sensitivities and tensions which will of course be challenged on a forum. It had much more to do with the power of proper intelligent agenda free debate and whether that is becoming less and less prevalent and being replaced by other less stimulating stuff. If you guys prefer to go back and forth hundreds and hundreds of times on some threads with the kind of stuff I have seen then it is your forum and of course you are free to do it. I just wonder whether you are gradually losing good people as a result leaving a few posters with 10s of thousands of posts just winding each other up (and now I would say occasionally stepping over a line)and very few new posters. Happy punting

I agree Duffy, I have never blocked anyone and don’t really want to,but I have just got fed up with the sh1te I read on here.
Hopefully now I will just read stuff about the horses and their jockeys trainers etc,and not get drawn into other stuff.

Or,as Miltons hints at,I could just not bother here anymore as others have over the years.
I ain’t that bothered to be honest,and I doubt too many on here will be either.

milton,

I don't go back and forth arguing the toss, this is the first time I've even commented on this thread, basically what I'm saying is that if you are in search of some kind of shangri la where every poster is only interested in a thoughtful intelligent exchange regarding all horsey matters, then you have precisely no chance and would never have had a chance.

It would be akin standing at the gates of Prestbury Park and trying to weed out all the pi55 artists and only letting in the "real" enthusiasts.

I think that the Cheltenham forum is quite good, more of the racing enthusiasts frequent this side of things I think, shafter, zodie et al arguing over omitted comma's wouldn't be seen over here for example.

Massive difference on here
Between genuine horsey people
Who punt
....and  guessers who
Dont know about horses
Trainers or jockeys
Yet they comment
As if they know it all
You wouldnt mind if they had a decent strike rate !

Nothing to defend Duffy as I was not suggesting you do. I constantly teach my daughter that if you aim for the stars you may not reach them but you won’t come back down with just dust either. I am old and weather beaten by life, but the minute I stop trying to make things better is the day they may as well dig a hole and put the lid on. IMO this forum while I accept may well be better than many others could be much better and I have read numerous comments in the past from posters concerned about how many people are leaving. Well people can continue to be concerned but do nothing or try to make things better. If you do not believe it can get better or nobody can be bothered to try then I think you will need a lot of luck to keep it compelling enough to attract new posters and address current attrition levels.

others should collectively help drive a shift in behaviour in that person.

care to elaborate?

Btw ‘you’ is the collective you

I would be happy to elaborate if you feel anybody would be interested. It might have to wait till this evening as I am currently giving myself a *0lloking for not getting on with my work

I won't be about this evening but I will look forward to reading your thoughts, if you can come up with an idea that beats simply "ignoring them" I would be interested, they'd want attention so to deny that would be the best approach, the mistake that many make and then complain about trouble and mischief makers is that they themselves can't bear to let a disparaging comment go without replying, this just prolongs things.

Decided not to block anyone on here,not really my thing.
To be labelled a racist was a bit much and something that i took great exception too,but blocking is not the way for me.
Speaking of which......if i could be referred to my post that prompted that accusation,i would be most grateful.

budd,

I don't think I've ever read anything from you that could be remotely described as offensive in anyway let alone racist.

Cheers Duffy,its certainly never my intention on here thats for sure.
If i have offended anyone,i would like to clear it up and move on.
I realise this a forum where we dont know each other,but offending people is something i am not comfortable with,whether they know me or not.

In response to Duffys post 15.19

Apologies for any of this that comes across preachy or pompous. It is not my intention but I have finite time available and may not convey my thoughts as well as I would like.

In a previous role I had approx 15 people leaders report into me. Two of the 15 were making bad choices and not setting a good example to their respective teams. Almost on a daily basis I would have at least one of the remaining 13 leaders come and complain about the two. It was the same kind of stuff over and over. With different people essentially taking it in turns to get angry, frustrated and so on.their reason for coming to see me was basically for me to rescue them. They could not see beyond the fact that I was the leader of the troublesome 2 and it was my job to make them step back into line. I refused to rescue them and helped them understand that if the 13 stick together they will have more impact on the other 2 than I ever could by playing the boss card. After a little while the penny started to drop and the 13 collaborated and started to peer lead the other two. They made it clear what behaviours were not acceptable and equally made it clear that they were together as a unit and that anybody that wanted to swim against the tide would drown. Once they properly embraced the power of the collective and lead by unity the other two very quickly made different and better leadership choices.

I believe a similar opportunity exists here. I see individuals taking it in turns to battle other individuals. I see behaviour from some that I I expect the majority find unacceptable or distatsteful but I never witness a collective response. Individuals are left to fight their battles. Budd has been accused of being a racist. He or she has posted on here for years and only one person has deemed it necessary to speak up for him. Is it ok for this forum to make accusations like this. Is this just a problem between budd and one or two others or does this breach a broader set of values that the collective need to embrace and stand for. I have no idea if Budd is racist or not but if this is fair game and there is no collective stand then nothing will change.

All this can be as formal or informal as you like. You can send a survey out for example and solicit people’s views on a whole range of topics. What do you like about the forum, what could it do better, what don’t you like, what could be done to reduce the things you don’t like. Is it better or worse than it was, why so, what could be done to change. Do you post more or less than you used to, why, would you recommend the forum to others if not why etc. What kind of forum do you want it to be. No rules of engagement, complete freedom of speech, or do you want it to be a little more purposeful and achieve certain objectives. If so what do you feel these objectives should be e.g win money, share important information and these objectives take priority over other objectives and there is a collective push to help achieve these objectives and call out behaviour that is at odds with achieving them.

There could be a few rules of engagement. Just one for example ...In certain situations individuals could get asked to take it off line (when a few people are at each other’s throat and it is taking a thread over) then the collective tell them to settle privately (they can message the hell out of each other)

The collective as I put it can be formal or informal. It could be a smallish group of seasoned and very well respected forumites or it could be any group of posters with a shared view posting one after enough - hey guys enough is enough.

Alternatively folks could be reading this and be thinking wtf is this idiot banging on about. It’s just an effing forum ffs. If that is basically how people feel then I guess what will be will be,but I cannot help thinking that there are folks on here that believe it used to be a lot better on here than it is now and might want to join with others to try and get it back closer to what it was.

Mob rule sophie  ?  Wow …...


The problem  is micro-aggressive racist behaviour.

Brief and commonplace daily indignities, whether intentional or unintentional, that communicate derogatory, or negative slights and insults toward any group.
These are remarks I refer to.

The Chip on the shoulder remark often aimed at Irish people.
The Irish won very few before Gigginstown is untrue.
The Percy only won an RSA is also untrue.

I'm not ashamed to admit I do have several here on 'ignore' solely for their non-receptive to differing views, and inability to be civil and respectful to one another - personal abuse and infantile behaviour and name calling unacceptable to me. We are all adults (I hope).

Horse racing is only a sport, with opinions aplenty; an activity of pastimes. Thus, learn to enjoy both the horses and diversity and opinions of posters here. Anything else is a bonus.

I think the title of the header is controversial, and a catalyst to polarise opinions of some contributors to the extreme.

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It speaks volumes that you interpret having a collective collaborating against poor beghaviour as mob rule. The behaviour of the two in my example was really poor. The behaviour of the 13 was excellent. It was only when the 13 collaborated to address the two that the two changed their behaviour and made much better choices that not only benefitted them but the people that were previously suffering under their poor leadership. The term mob rule is a very negative intent interpretation of my message and you do not know me anywhere near well enough to reach that judgement. The fact that you have gone there so quickly without any attempt to seek clarification is why others may make the chip comments. I suspect it has nothing at all to do with the fact that you are Irish but more about how instantly you assume negative intent with your judgement without clarifying first. People that do this are often accused rightly or wrongly of having an agenda, a grudge or a myopic view of things. I have no idea if you have a chip or not. I do think, rightly or wrongly you are on the receiving end of these comments based on the way you communicate far more than your nationality.

Sophie I dont need or want to know you , its an anonymous forum !

The situation you describe is manipulating people to behave in a certain way , probably in a business environment (although you haven't said) by a form of hegemony , using the majority to subjugate the minority.


This is an open anonymous forum where anyone can put up whatever they like within boundaries laid out in betfairs terms and conditions. That makes it rich , diverse and often rewarding. Manipulating people in the way you have described is weird , might have worked in a business , but the forum thrives on the outrageous, the odd and the weird , would love to see it work.

Miltons is refering to coaching,listening,steering and having unbiased views as any decent consultancy firm could help out with but maybe too time consuming for some

You say manipulate I say influence. Manipulate is a much more negative way of seeing it than influence. I have changed my approach for the better a million times by being influenced by the words and actions of others. When I get repeated feedback by a number of people I tend to take note and rather than take the view that it is a majority trying to manipulate me into their way of thinking I internalise their message, reflect and am often influenced positively to change. I see this very much as a good thing. I see the positive intent in their feedback.

Anyhow you are of course free as you like to accuse me of being a advocate of mob rule and a fan of manipulating minority views. Good luck with your punting I wish you luck in your battle against the bookies.

Cheers sophie.

Milton,

With regards to the 13 and the 2

DID YOU ORDER A CODE RED!!!!

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YOU REFERRED TO MILTON SOPHIE POST BUT THEN NOT AGAIN WHEN THE DAGGERS WERE DRAWN AND NO SUPPORT FORTHCOMING IN YOUR CORNER,IN YOUR POST YOU REFERENCED IMP123 REGARDING MY POST SO YOU DID READ THE POST AND AS I STATED BEFORE I LIKE TO READ MORE THAN POST ON HERE HENCE 240 ODD POSTS COMPARED TO 14,000 ODD YOU DEFENDED IMP123 WHO'S POST ALONG WITH THE OTHER'S WERE THE NIGHT BEFORE SO YOU KNOW MY POST WAS AIMED AT HIM YET YOU STILL POSTED,THIS WILL BE MY 2ND LAST POST ON HERE

Well to be honest i did not take much notice of imp's post really,but if his post was meant to be racist then of course i would not condone it.....who would??

So i saw the post,but did not take much notice.

If you want to know why i said theres one or two that need to crawl in a hole,and not imp,well thats because over the last few weeks and longer i have come to that conclusion.
Now if Imp was to come on here and say his post was meant in a racist way,well he can get into that hole alongside the other one or two.

As for me being Racist as you said, well if you dont believe me when i say you could not be further from the truth,then thats that really.
All the best.

Hola, which post of mine has got someone's back up? Please enlightened?

many of your posts are dogmatic and littered with your pontifications which are mostly based upon unresearched ignorance.

Duffy

Well I did write a reply and pressed the reply button and all that appeared was the word Duffy.

So yes I ordered a complete lock down. Nobody left the building until the two pledged to obey every one of my commandments unconditionally,

Actually the 13 and 2 became 15 and zero and I didn’t utter a single word. As you can probably imagine I love happy endings. Not holding out much hope for that here sadly.

So I think i get it now Duffy. I am not the sharpest tool in the box so you may have to dumb it down a bit

Milton,

Probably fair to say that you're in the argument of being the sharpest, but yes, I was joking with my reference to "A few good men"

So just to manage expectation..... Barry Norman I am not ... just about hanging on by my finger tips here

So just to manage expectation..... Barry Norman I am not ... just about hanging on by my finger tips here

Maybe not Barry Norman but perhaps juror no.8

I'm still waiting to be enlightened why someone would think one if my posts is racist. I've 'irishone' on 'ignore' as I firmly believe he's a massive chip on his shoulder, and non-conducive to a discussion platform like this one. Also, I do not value his opinions as they are  trading induced.

Has a Gold Cup runner ever been trained by a traveller? Or no runner permissible from that quarter.


That one Imp....maybe a good idea to explain it?

Thanks. I was merely asking if a Gold Cup runner has ever been trained by a traveller ie someone from the gypsy community. The reason I asked that was I understood Norton's Coin was trained by a full-time farmer (if memory served), so merely wanting to know whether a traveller has achieved having a runner in the Gold Cup.

Was that an unreasonable question to ask? No loaded or untoward intention meant. It'd be quite a feat, if so. Does anyone agree? Personally, it's similar to asking why no gelding allowed to run in The Derby for anyone not verse with t&c of certain races.

It would help if you had a brain imp
On a thread entitled the dominance of ireland
You ask if a traveller has ever won a gold cup

Why didnt you ask on the gold cup thread ?

Why associate travellers then gypsies with ireland ?



Its because you are racist pal ......

???

Imp123,

EXPLAIN...in reply...

On a thread entitled the dominance of ireland
You ask if a traveller has ever won a gold cup

Why didnt you ask on the gold cup thread ?

Why associate travellers then gypsies with ireland ?

I've only associated the title of the header with Cheltenham as it was put up on Cheltenham week probably Presenting Percy induced; there were also data posted with brief discussions about whether the British or Irish trainers had more winners. As such, it was plainly obvious  (to me); I also referenced Norton's Coin to a Cheltenham Gold Cup victory.

If my post had given the impression that travellers were Irish I can assure everyone it certainly was not the intention; if a bin bag was black I'd say...could you please pass me a black bin bag? Similarly, when I was a witness of a daylight robbery at a petrol pump I told the officer the person responsible was white; if the robber had been black or Chinese or Albino I'd say so. I'd not say he was non-white when he was black or Chinese. I'm PC but not to the extent when PC is unhelpful or used incorrectly, and not accordingly.

I think (sometimes) posters here need to take a chill-pill...it's only horse racing, and no more; it's also only a sport, and it attracts multiple facets of opinions and personalities. Hopefully, not narcissists who I detest big time and put on 'ignore'.

^^
I also like to add I referenced Norton's Coin being trained by a full-time farmer when winning the Gold Cup.

If a bin bag was black .....
If the robber had been black or chinese .....

So chinese people are just as easy to recognise as black people ?

Get out of that hole you have dug for yourself with an apology
The word you are looking for is SORRY

Don't blame the messenger boy

wirishone • March 29, 2019 7:50 AM GMT
If a bin bag was black .....
If the robber had been black or chinese .....
So chinese people are just as easy to recognise as black people ?
Get out of that hole you have dug for yourself with an apology
The word you are looking for is SORRY

^^
Nothing to apologise for, in my opinion, and certainly not to someone hellbent on PC for the wrong reasons eg narcissism. If an apology was needed I'd have gladly offered one, if you'd been reading my posts.

By the way, it's extremely easy to differentiate between a Chinese and a Black person similarly Albino. If you choose to disagree on this too may I suggest a visit to 'specssaver'? It's overdue,...one's eyesight is vitally important.

Yep


Total racist !

Dominating Aintree as well, graded races rather than handicaps, so tbf it looks simply as a better class horse cycle.

The handicaps shouldn't be bundled with the graded races in this discussion. Personally I think the Irish horses are generally better but to say they win more handicaps because they have better horses defeats the point of handicapping.

Fair point,though it seems to be across the board is relevant imo, otherwise it is laying the blame on either the British/Irish handicapper which mightn't be quite fair.

I'm glad somebody else gets the point of handicapping. I usually end up banging my head against Quevega's skull.

"Autocue is it not just the Irish horses are better trained and overall better bred horses?"

Aintree turning into punchestown on tour

Henderson, mullins elliot different class now ....

Nicholls, de bromhead , jessica, tizzard, skelton ....div 2

Rest of them bit part players.

Everyone is entitled to there own opinion but I really don't know why people on here are so against the Irish...

Autocue you are banging your head against a brick wall. Years ago you'd have been thanked for putting up info here. Now you get told to keep it to yourself and that you're a racist.

This forum's finished.

Brief and commonplace daily indignities, whether intentional or unintentional, that communicate derogatory, or negative slights and insults toward any group.
These are remarks I refer to.

@ Souldancer,i don't think anyone is implying anything negative towards Autocue,i think you haven't read the thread properly.

Whatever, the betfair forum bores the sh!t out of me nowadays. I'm finished with it. (auto)cue the last post - dee dah dah dee dah dom dom de-dom.

Yes, next Cheltenham will see a glorious dominance again of the Irish thoroughbred. And why not...