festival (bankers) that got beat over the years

sizing europe

kauto star

Desert Orchid, Nick Dundee

Carvill's Hill, Denman

douvan

Rouse de farge 1990

Since 2000

Un Des Sceaux
Apples Jade
Hurricane Fly
Douvan
Annie Power
Sizing Europe
Unowwhatimeanharry
Dunguib
Kauto Star (Twice)
Baracouda
Master Minded
Moscow Flyer
Voy Por Ustedes
Kasbah Bliss

All beaten at odds on at the festival.

Is altior gonna be put on the list???

I know this werent festival but what about when knockara beau beat big bucks @66-1 SP...I,ve never seen a crowd go silent so quick.  it might have been new years day i cant remember.

It was in the Cleeve Hurdle (this Saturday) on Big Buck's comeback from injury

Black Jack Ketchum
Stormez

Bula
Pendil
Bobsline
One Man

Mole Board

Forgive & Forget

Brownes Gazzette

Mole Board hurt! My best ever ante post lay was Kauto Star, Well Chief and Moscow Flyer in Newmill's Champion Chase. It was around 1/20 that one of those 3 would win. KS fell, Moscow only fifth and Well Chief a non runner.

thanks for the replies. Wow, theres some names here that are well before my time.  i dont know what it is i just have a feeling or a hunch that altior is gonna lose somehow, all of the names mentioned above people wouldnt hear of defeat but it happens as shown above

cheers duffy, thats right. were you there also? I filmed it everyone was going wild for big bucks and it went silent as if god pushed mute

That was the end of me that afternoon

sage layed kauto... you must have big cohones

Harchibald, festival banker? He was a 7/1 shot in the Champion Hurdle.

Broadsword when beaten by Baron Blakeney,Azertioup in the Arkle.

Well chief

I probably would not have laid Kauto in isolation although in his 2 mile days he was nowhere near as reliable as he was over 3 miles later. As I said my liability was something like 1 point loss, 20 points profit after laying all three. The only sort of ante post laying I get involved with. Kauto fell early, Moscow got badly hampered and Well Chief didn't run so I enjoyed the second half of the race knowing I had won what ever happened. I'm sure most of the bookmakers felt the same.

Jan 24, 2019 -- 11:00PM, lockup wrote:

Broadsword when beaten by Baron Blakeney,Azertioup in the Arkle.

Azertyuiop won his Arkle!!

If you want me to sulk for the day Rhinestone Cowboy robbed by the cheat, Jamie Spencer on Pizzarro. I've got over it, honest :-)

Sybillin. As a novice he thrashed Deep Sensation ten lengths getting a pound in the Victor Chandler. Deep Sensation went on to win that season's Queen Mother, yet odds-on Sybillin was thrashed 21 lengths by Travado in the Arkle
The horse knew how to rub it in as he beat Travado and Deep Sensation in the next season's Tingle Creek.

What a traveller Sybillin was

I remember queuing for ages to get paid out on Rhinestone Cowboy, certain the Stewards would throw out Spencer having seen the head on. It was like being hit with a baseball bat when they announced the outcome of the enquiry. I suppose Spencer would call it a successful professional foul. I read he got away with one on Hayley Turner as well.

I am going to say that there has never been more debate (even Brexit) than there was to the virtues or lack of for Black Jack Ketchum before the Stayers hurdle. Fell 1st, no-one was right lol.

And when I look at bankers I'm looking for the real bomb proof ones on paper added in every double or treble before the race.....

Rooster Booster & Annie Power (in the mares) are probably the tops.

Alderbrook was very short against Collier Bay and others to win a second Champion hurdle.

Harcon was really short fav in 95 Sun Alliance Chase,had hardly seen another horse in previous races that season. Well beaten by Josh Gifford's mare Brief Gale and never won another race

NO MORE HEROES
MORE OF THAT

favs for the rsa
Laughed my nuts off
At rsa thread last year
Only a couple of mentions
In 20 odd pages
Of the winner .....
At 9/4 5/2

2019.....
Sir Erec 11/10 (JCB)
Epatante 15/8 (Mares Nov)
Benie Des Dieux 10/11 (Mares)
Delta Work 15/8 (RSA)


Be thankful that Altior (QM), Tiger Roll (CC), Envoi Allen (Bumper) & Paisley Park (Stayers) obliged

2020 ......BENIE DES DIEUX 4\6, CAREFULLY SELECTED 10\11, DEFI DU SEUIL 2\5, TIGER ROLL 8\11,PAISLEY PARK4\6,

how many doubles trebles  any one of that lot fook up ^^^

On top of them irishone in the open / championship races

Fakir doudairies and notebook 5/6
Allaho and minnella Indo 5/6
Billaway and shantou flyer 10/11
Appreciate it 15/8
A plus tard 7/4


Yet the ultra competitive handicaps
The conditional 15/2 3rd fav
Imperial aura 4/1 jt fav
Dame de compagnie 5/1 fav
Aramax 15/2 3rd fav
Simply the best 100/30 fav
Saint roi 11/2 fav
Chosen mate 7/2 fav

Double social distancing here

The two bankers ie Paisley Park (health) and Benie (tactical error) were expansive failures; Samcro and Champ restored profitability; ABP was a saver. But, thank goodness Altior was nrnb otherwise a negative book.

the fellow in the gold cup was very heavily backed and joe mac in the bumper was also a pretty big gamble

6/4 joe Mac in the bumper 2 nd to alexandre banquet probably the worst festival bumper run

Can you remember who trained him gazo?

Tiananmen square went of short for a bumper.
I can remember one going off odds on for the Cathcart getting turned over.
Ronnie.

Rouse de farge Ronnie one of pipes ?

cant remember who trained joe mac but it was a jp horse and i think the winner might have been ruby's first cheltenham winner,i recall a article in the newspaper with a bookmaker the day after going through how he did and he said,''i'm not a religious man but i was certainly praying during that race''.it was a pipe horse that got beat in cathcart,not sure if rouse de farge is correct name but it went off odds on,it was the day desert orchid won the gold cup

Christie Roche was the trainer, absolutely spot on about rouse de farge been the same day as Dessie ,the ruby bit I am going to try and find out about,it shouldn’t be difficult.

Correct it was  the first winner he rode at the festival by some way he surprisingly had to wait another 4 years till blowing wind won the mildmay of fleet,his next two winners was the great azertyuiop.

I do not have a clue what some of you guys are on about. Some of you must have been juveniles to remember them, even under-aged to be punting.

They were pre exchange days when it was punter v odds compiler a fair contest.

Cue Card was widely expected in the Supreme. If they had gone for the 2.5 miler he would probably have won.

Rock on ruby didn’t manage to win that seasons 2.5 miler.

Granville Again was thought a certainty for the Supreme in the early 90’s. Was beaten there and fell in the following years Champion.
Won the following year with a great ride from Peter Scu.

I think the winner of the supreme novice hurdle that year was also considered a certainty by connections.

The result of the opener in 91 made the illiad in the champion hurdle a ridiculous price generally 33/1 in the build up to Cheltenham was on offer around 5/1 before the off due to liabilities.

I do remember that fox. Granville was badly bumped a few times in a rough Supreme if I remember and would have gone close with a clearer run. He was also cruising when falling behind Royal Gait in the Champion. He deserved a big one the following year as he was high class at his best.

What happened to Desterio ? Was he injured because his form fell away....

He didn’t run again till punchestown in November 18 months later where he won a listed hurdle,he then ran at leopardstown over Christmas 13 months later where he was 4 th behind fortune and fame,royal derby 3 rd,then 5 th in the Irish champion hurdle again behind fortune and fame ,Granville again 4 th,then 11 th in alderbrooks champion hurdle,his final run was down the field in the 96 Irish champion hurdle won by Collier bay.

Collier Bay was not a banker but he was unlucky when getting a minor problem the day before the Triumph which was won by Mysilv. Subsequent events suggest he would have won it in a canter. His non run cost me a lot but we got it back 2 years later.

Won it in a canter not sure about that sageform mysilv was no mug .

He beat Mysilv about 15 lengths in the CH. It might have been closer at 4yo I suppose but CB was a decent class flat horse. Jim made one of his rare bad calls by going for the Coral Cup with Collier Bay as a 5yo. He was not beaten over 2 miles until the 1997 CH when he was pulled up on fast ground which he hated.

12 1/2 lengths but don’t forget mysilv was having a practice for the stayers hurdle 2 days later.

mysilv beat pridwell over 10 lengths at Newbury  giving pridwell 8 lb pridwell beat istabraq at levels I should think that form line isn’t to bad.

Collier bay 9 from 26 national hunt
Mysilv. 11 from 20 national hunt

Mysilv was a great horse foxy, did the horse not contest a race in france one year ?

Yes irishone ran twice at auteuil 2nd both times the last been 29th June 96 the day before Germany beat Czech Republic on the golden goal rule in the final of Euro 96 ,the horse never ran again.

If it was a practice they didn't tell Jamie Osborne. He had ridden Collier Bay to win the Irish CH and still chose Mysilv in the CH itself. I had horses with Jim Old through that period and he was very confident of winning that Triumph despite learning pessimism from Capt. Forster.

Did mole board spend any time with Jim old sageform?

Yes a couple of years after Wally Sturt bought him from Owen O'Neill's stable. He had fallen at the last in the Supreme when having every chance. He was actually favourite to beat Collier Bay giving him a lot of weight in the Bonusprint Handicap at Sandown with Oh So Risky and Absaloms Lady in the field. That was Collier Bay's first run as a 6yo. He won easily at 25/1 and then won the Irish and Cheltenham Champion hurdles. CB needed soft ground and was never as good again. He was tried over fences but was much too free and I well remember him running away with Graham Bradley on the downhill stretch at Towcester.

Owen O’Neil peaced  up a nice double late 80s I think it was New Year’s Day ,one of the horses involved was mole board winnng at Cheltenham can’t remember the other one,mole board himself was a well backed favourite in the sun alliance hurdle he ran well to finish around 4 th at many festivals including in champion hurdles he was always thereabouts at the last.

Yes, could have been the Sun Alliance. He was an unlucky horse really, as you say often close up in big races. We finally had a big pay day when at the end of his career, he ran at Sandown in a conditions race and was allowed to start at a huge price (33 or 50) He set off in front and nothing got near him. I remember that Sun Alliance now, I backed Mole Board who was fourth and a horse trained by David Elsworth that was coming with a wet sail but fell at the last. The best horses I had shares in with Jim were Meister who won 6 races in the 1980's including the Bristol Novice Hurdle at the Cheltenham December meeting and Jefferies in the late 1990s who won 5 including all of his 4 runs at Taunton.

The Bristol novice hurdle has some roll of honour sageform I should think away from the festival the overall best novice hurdle run in the uk

The Sandown race you refer to he had ruling and the great Morley street behind,

By the way after Sandown he still managed to finish fourth at the age of 12 in flakey doves champion hurdle.

He even won aged 14 at ascot what a horse .

He beat Gala's Image who went on to win the Arkle and Seagram who of course won the National. It was only 2.5 miles in those days. Meister had won his maiden easily at Exeter and we decided to take a chance and he won it well. He was also second in the Philip Cornes Saddle of Gold at Newbury which had qualification races rather like the Pertemps final. We did run in the Sun Alliance but finished in midfield behind some flying machine trained by Paul Kellaway that won as it liked with Ten Plus (who won it the following year) also in the first 5 I think. Sorry to be a bit vague but I don't have the form books for back then. Meister's first run over fences was the same day that Collier Bay ran off with Bradley in a novice chase and dumped him at the fourth fence. Brad came back white as a sheet and rode Meister in the second division to get round after we had backed him. It took him 4 runs to get the hang of fences but then he won four of his next 5, once ridden by Peter Scudamore and 3 times by Simon Sherwood.

Jim also won the Bristol Novice with Lord Jim who ran up a sequence ridden by Carl Lewellyn who won twice on Jefferies.

Sorry my last post referred to Meister, not Mole Board. Jim also had a near miss in the CH when Cima was narrowly beaten by Dawn Run in the first year that mares got the 7lb allowance. We got our fingers burned that day.

84 champion hurdle I was surprised there was no stewards the mare carried cima across the track nowhere near as bad as crimson embers but worthy of another look.

The kellaway horse must be asir

I remember the Philip cornes I wonder what happened to it.

Correct with both of those. I don't know how Asir managed to win like it did but it never ran again as far as I know.

Came to an end like most sponsored races. The Trophy really was a saddle of gold and we were beaten a length by Lonach trained by Toby Balding in desperate ground at Newbury.

I was wandering that myself if it did run again I don’t remember.

Early night for me small St George’s day party tomorrow rather than the usual one

Take care sageform

Take care yourself.

Have a good one foxy !

I did and thanks irishone.

o p needs to add one to that list
horse won at thurles and won his first four races all flat
went over to england won the cesarewich
was told it was going for champion hurdle
irish backed it down all winter 25s down to sixes
drifted out on the day to tens
slaughtered by granville again
done me nuts ante post ...life lesson
couldn't handle the course
vintage crop

9 months later did you back him in the Melbourne cup ?

Can't remember foxy, but the trainer is pure class
lot of people don't realise what he is at , bit like tony martin in a way
waits until he sees it in a horse, then bides his time
gets the best out of them when he wants it out of them
pat smullen a major loss unfortunately.
willie is the same , waits and waits and waits
horse is not quite right .....don't rush him...patience is a virtue
feck the press, feck the bookies, feck the punters
when the horse is coming right willie gets that bit extra out of them
very very professional