Samcro

When youb say connections Budd... who do you actually mean ?

Gordon is the puppet on the string and is actively widening his stock of owners
Michael only wants to see a chaser and samcro is "not the second coming"

...... so do you agree its down to Eddie ?

Connections to me are owner and trainer.

I am not privy to what goes on in Gordon Elliott's yard and his relationship with the owners of Samcro.
I do know that normally trainers train and owners own, but I would imagine the real big owners like Gigginstown may well have a bigger say than some other owners.
I know that trainers make the entries of course, but whether sometimes they make entries they don't agree with because owner has told them,I would not know.
So I say connections.

Fair enough budd, you believe he's not a 2 miler and his future lies as a 2 and a half mile chaser, a cop out distance. So it should be races like the Durkan and Ryanair for him, where he can avoid the very best chasers around.And connections were wrong to try and dream of winning a Champion Hurdle with a champion novice hurdler cos they should have gone down this route earlier. You are probably right, in so far as he probably won't be good enough to beat the very best, but he won't really be achieving anything more as a chaser than he did as a hurdler.

" I've never known the horse as anything else other than as a hurdler".That may be the case but both before and after Cheltenham, all the talk was of a future Gold Cup winner in waiting. No-one at all mentioned him as a Champion Hurdler in waiting.

It was a bizarre decision, at the age of 6, to try the latter route, and one that has backfired. Yes, he may achieve no more over fences than hurdles and that will either be because he was simply hyped or because connections have compromised his chances by campaigning him in the wrong discipline for too long. If you really believe connections have campaigned him well, all I can do, like buddeliea, is disagree.

Cyclops,what does "all the talk" have to do with anything. He had not even run in a chase. He was unbeaten over hurdles. He jumps hurdles beautifully. He has loads of gears and loads of pace.What he lacks is the stomach for a fight against the best horses.This is nothing to do with racing over hurdles or racing over 2 miles.The year has not been wasted because we know a lot more about his limitations now, the same limitations he will face when he meets the best of them over fences.And even that is assuming he learns to jump fences as accurately as he jumps hurdles(Black Op!). You could also say that all the talk these days is that his bubble has burst and he will never win a Gold Cup.

I'm far from sure that he's established that he has no stomach for a fight. He was only beaten 7 lengths last time out, which you describe as "awful" while you believe his run against Buveur showed him in a good light, which I certainly didn't - Buveur could have won by 20 lengths had he be ridden to do so. What I believe has been established is that he is not a top class 2 mile hurdler (certainly on anything other than heavy ground).

It could be that he's gutless, but they said the same about Don Cossack when his hurdling performances fell short of the mark. If he is, he won't win top races under any discipline. But it could be that fences will be the making of him ; he certainly looks more like a chaser than a hurdler and I remain dismayed that he's been so poorly campaigned, given that so many associated with him are on record as saying he's the best horse they've ever known.

I can understand the perseverance of connections on Samcro despite the humiliation dished out by Buveur D'Air (BD) - he was forced to make the running - because if BD does not show he'll probably win the Champion Hurdle on default as they believe Samcro has the beating of the rest. However, his trashing by Sharjah, and finishing behind Tombstone convinced connections ie owners and Elliot no-end that Samcro was not right either physically or mentally; his defeat by Bedrock was the initial indicator that the Samcro this season is not the Samcro of last season.

Let's hope he could come back for one race before the end of the season running over fences in a small meeting in Ireland.

FTV
I aint sure his future is Ryanair type,that was my thoughts some time ago yes,but to be honest now I have no idea where he will end up.
I am pretty sure after this season though it wont be 2m hurdling.
Maybe,if they are happy with his hurdling,he may be stepped up and see if he can stay 3m.
Maybe he will take to fences and stay 3m and be a Gold Cup type.
God only knows!!
What is a worry though is if he simply has no stomach for fight to win races,
That's the case they have major problems with him.

As cyclops mentions,after the hype from people like Davy Russell and other jocks who were raving about him,and to a far far lesser extent,motor mouth Chapman......its all rather disappointing.

What would have happened if they had gone chasing start of season? don't know,but it surely would not have been worse than the current situation of having a horse that aint running.

Imp
He got beat by Bedrock and then completely outclassed by BD who was not 100% race fit according to Henderson.
That should have told them then imo.
They werent the only ones though, cos he still started fav again in his next race.
Peope were backing hype and not looking at the formbook.
Maybe those closest to him were doing the same!!!

For a champion hurdler I'm looking for a horse that jumps hurdles quickly, flicking over them. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder so while Samcro might look beautiful to some over a hurdle I think he spends too long in the air and wrote as much on 2nd November. This doesn't bar a horse from winning a champion hurdle but it would have to be quicker between the hurdles than Samcro. As for saying he's better than 99.9% of hurdlers based on ratings, that's an opinion I don't share. Ratings are somebody's best guess of horses' relative ability so aren't reliable proof.

I never had a problem with him being campaigned over hurdles to begin with this season, they obviously had a view on the CH contenders and thought it was worth having a go. However the problem came when they didn't see the writing on the wall even after his first attempt, however it has given us more evidence on him which isn't all bad.

I questioned his stamina at the end of the Ballymore, put that into the context of what we've seen since and I question it less so.

Come next season I'll be committing to him in staying chases with regards to all the big targets, certainly until he shows me different, there'll be a bit more juice in the prices too as he'll be more a distant memory and with all the recency bias of all the most recent festival winners foremost in peoples thoughts.

Next season and beyond he could have Altior to deal with. What a prospect for the poor fellow...out of the frying pan into the fire!

Official ratings may be somebody's best guess(its a team effort) but they are the best and most informed guesses and I have yet to see a better system from a private operator.

Cyclops, believe me you cannot tell a great chaser from the look of him. The hype coming from Elliott's about Samcro before he ever ran was never based on him jumping ditches like Pegasus. He's a superb work horse with a cruising speed that the others cannot match.All this would be on the bridle of course.When he started off hurdling last year and went through the season without coming off the bridle,the hype went up a notch with every run. It was generally assumed that he would go chasing only because that's the usual O Leary way. So the hype about him winning Gold Cups was based purely on his hurdles exploits,nothing else.
When they decided to keep him hurdling, at least the hype about him winning a champion hurdle had some substance to it, as the champion novice.

Now that the hype has shown itself to be just that,and the bubble has burst, its probably time we all stopped assuming that Samcro is a superstar chaser in waiting. The prophets were right about him being a very good horse but got it wrong about just how good he is. And its probably fair to say the hype merchants were also bluffing just a little about his future brilliance as a chaser.

I also think Samcro's hurdling is top class. Don't really understand all this he needs a fence talk when I see him hurdling so fast. Whatever his problem is one thing we can rule out is the hurdles.

Personally I think the horse is either regressing, mentally or physically or both or he has other kind of problem that is only presenting itself at the end of races. I know the form of the novice hurdles from last year's Cheltenham has taken a few hits but there's no way the Samcro of last season would stop to a walk like he has done in the Fighting Fifth / Ryanair Hurdle.

Playing the ratings game, his performances this season were judged to have been a slight improvement on those during his novice days until the last one, which was judged a few pounds short. On that basis, he's not regressing but has failed to make the progress expected/hoped.

I disagree about the looks aspect. He's a big horse and the only big horse I know to have won a Champion is Comedy of Errors. Made for fences and while he jumps hurdles well enough, they don't allow him to exhibit the scope that many believed he will possess when tackling fences. Again, I'd quote Don Cossack as an Elliott horse who had tremendous ability in bumpers, flatlined as a hurdle but then showed his true ability as a chaser. Samcro should have been given that chance, if not at the start of the season, certainly after his first run.

His hurdling is ok,but its not Champion Hurdle class.
Jumps too big too much and loses precious ground.
IF you watch BDair you can see the difference,pings them.Much faster hurdler.
Samcro jumps to me like a horse that would really suit a fence.
Looks like a chaser as well.

Thought I would watch the Ballymore again after all this chat,
Samcro cruised to the lead and jumped the 2nd last going much better than all the others.
Coming to the last he was starting to get ridden but still going better.
After jumping the last, which Black op demolished,he was ridden quiet hard and given a couple of smacks.He worked hard to beat a horse that will be needing at least 3m by the looks of his runs this season,and the third home that day Next Destination ran like an out and out stayer.

Looking more and more to me like hes just not as good as was being made out to be.

You've said before that you rely on your own opinions and I completely agree. As punters interested in racing we're exposed to more and more media crap. Punters are the cannon fodder that keeps racing going. Racing is funded by the levy on bookmakers' profits so it is in racing's interest for punters to lose. The Racing Post seems to have become more reliant on bookies. You can't use their website without specifying a bookmaker. The Sporting Life is funded by Sky Sports. Trainers are sponsored by bookmakers. Podcasts are sponsored by bookmakers. They've infiltrated most of the media so it stands to reason we're going to be fed information that is in their interests not ours. My New Year's resolution is to avoid all the media yak on the run up to Cheltenham and spend the time I would have spent reading it on more useful pursuits.

I could also have said more races than ever are sponsored by bookies, owners like Ricci have strong links to bookies. They've ruined the ante-post markets. Restrictions are rife. Jeez, owners think they've got it tough...

The trainers and jockeys should not be associated financially or otherwise with the bookies for reasons of conflict of interest and integrity of horse racing; they must be mutually exclusive and not exist in one another's pocket. Apart from Ireland I cannot think there is another country in the world with so close and at times cosy association of these two entities than here and Ireland.

Jan 3, 2019 -- 1:34PM, Autocue wrote:

You've said before that you rely on your own opinions and I completely agree. As punters interested in racing we're exposed to more and more media crap. Punters are the cannon fodder that keeps racing going. Racing is funded by the levy on bookmakers' profits so it is in racing's interest for punters to lose. The Racing Post seems to have become more reliant on bookies. You can't use their website without specifying a bookmaker. The Sporting Life is funded by Sky Sports. Trainers are sponsored by bookmakers. Podcasts are sponsored by bookmakers. They've infiltrated most of the media so it stands to reason we're going to be fed information that is in their interests not ours. My New Year's resolution is to avoid all the media yak on the run up to Cheltenham and spend the time I would have spent reading it on more useful pursuits.

great post - and those more useful pursuits might include form book study and watching race replays...

would only caveat your opinion by drawing a distinction between fact and opinion - need to keep across factual information revealed by trainer e.g. I've just watched a clip where Olly Murphy confesses he left Brewin'upastorm in the Tolworth in error (not quite a fact I suppose but you get my drift)

Totally agree....great post.
Completely echoes my thoughts.

Yes, better off spending the time on race replays. More so than the form book I think though obviously you need both. You need experience to make use of it and if anyone is starting out that's how I would recommend learning about the game. I've had enough of the rest as I find it impossible to sort the wheat from the chaff and the vast majority of the second hand hand information you get is the latter.

Yes autocue without a doubt.
Last uear i happened to have previously watched rathvinden, balk do flos, ptesenting percy , and penhill all win at galway, my local track not to mention tiger roll.
Their performances were what put me on them.
That old adage ....believe nothing of what you hear
....and half of what you see was never more appropriate

The boy is ill with a lung infection, and very doubtful for the Festival; Punchie could be on the agenda though, according to Eddie O'Leary. Get well soon, precocious one!

Don't throw away those antepost vouchers just yet

Why Cheltenham over hurdles? Why not over fences at Aintree or Punchestown given he'll be going chasing? At least then he'd not be rushed into something not relevant to his career next season. My mind boggles!

I see hes entered in the Aintree hurdle
Will he turn up?

So is Apples Jade. I think he'll be more likely to be kept back for Punchie as the extra couple of weeks would help him.

Samcro's in the Drinmore Novice Chase this sunday at Fairyhouse at 6/4 possibly against Fakir D'oudairies and Burrows Saint and a few others; Fakir D'oudaries was a very good winner last time out, and so was Samcro.

not a layer but i will 100% be against samcro on sunday hopefull they all line up and i can get a decent price about one or 2 of the others ,he makes the market but i dont think he is as good as he is hyped .

He's not a quick jumper and lost ground at most against a horse that pinged every fence along the way, but the engine was there for all to see and despite the talk after bigging up the battle that we were deprived of, what we were in fact probably deprived of was the sight of Samcro powering clear.

Yes, they are there to be jumped but I think today Samcro went some ways to restoring that very lofty reputation.

He never had power at the end..... Pmsl

The horse cant jump  fences at the moment,  end of , has to go right handed and was knackered when he fell, tired jump, came off the bridle just before the fence, and bumped into it .....

big drift on this horse today

for jlt that is

Gordon Elliott has yet to decide on the next target for Samcro but he could step his star up to three miles.

The much-talked-about seven-year-old departed two fences from the finish in the Drinmore Novice Chase on Sunday, when going well upsides eventual winner Fakir D'oudairies.

While he could not have been travelling any better at his point of departure, Joseph O'Brien's four-year-old had been gaining ground at every fence before then and Elliott feels a step up in trip could put less emphasis on his jumping.

"He is 100 per cent and is back riding out. He is entered in all those Grade One novice chases at Christmas, at two miles, two and a half and three miles, so we'll see where we go," said Elliott. I'll chat with the owners and see."

He added: "Obviously two out is a long way out in any race, but he looked like he was cantering at the time and I couldn't have been happier with what he had done to that point.

"He won a point-to-point and I don't think he'd have any problem going up to three miles - three miles might even suit him better because he doesn't jump bad but the other horses are gaining lengths at fences over a shorter trip. Over three miles he would be able to get into his own rhythm."

Samcro first circuit today was faultless, slow into six out, left.his feet in two out , not fluent

There must be something wrong with the horse they just aren't getting to grips with, that looked like last season all over again

I think the bubble has truly burst, and he's a bridle horse as one poster had alluded to in the past. Only one possible excuse left ie the heavy ground. As such The JLT is his only Cheltenham option (Arkle pace too quick/RSA too far). And, if Faugheen turns up only better ground will he possibly gain revenge for the drubbing today.

If Laurina gatecrashes (she'd too sloppy to go Arkle) will Faugheen (surely Mullins will not want Laurina running too) head to The RSA instead to do battle with Champ? However, Faugheen is as short as 5/1 (10/1 best) for The JLT, and 25/1 for The RSA.

He wasnt hanging right today even when left alone , maybe he is frightened about putting a short one in, he took off far too early at one down the back and never banked it , i think he is a big baby and confuses himself prior to take off, its symtomatic of a horse that hasnt had enough practise changing his lead, im also unsure about the consistency of the stride pattern, he is an ideal davy russell ride at this stage, im. not sure young kennedy has the patience and understanding to rebuild his confidence

Quite damning from Elliott, said he looked like he never had any heart, can't find anything physically wrong with him.

Not sure there needs to be anything wrong with him. I am a long way from being a ratings junkie but if you look at all of his RPRs at 157 he was only just below his best at 161 and many ratings in and around what he achieved Boxing Day . Heaven forbid that he just ran to his ability. I have never in all my years of watching racing known a 160 horse be so ridiculously hyped. Maybe we can all just chill out now and appreciate a 160 horse in the same way as we do other high class but not elite level horses. He did not have a single line of form that entitled him to beat Faugheen or have I missed something.

I think that was his true potential on Boxing Day maybe Faugheen could turn out to be just as effective over chases as hurdles. At least this time he stood up as both times he was challenged/challenging eg hurdle and chase he fell - maybe he was distracted or weakening at the time.

He's no 2nd Coming - that's for sure; take away his privileges eg no more special barn, but put him back along with the rest.

He's going for another check-up, according to Elliot, after downing tools like a chicken. I was hoping a heart transplant...

He'd be running in handicaps. According to Eddie O'Leary: "We'll probably have to end up with a handicap mark now as he's going nowhere as a good horse. A good horse, he's not. He's going from cantering to emptying within two strides."

The bubble has truly burst even connections have finally come to accept.

The one-time "perceived" 2nd coming has been entered in a handicap race at Cheltenham this weekend. If running, will he win? Not so, if there's tussle at the end the way he capitulated against Faugheen at Limerick.

In order for a trainer from Ireland to find out a horses official rating, they sometimes enter their horse in a race they have no intention of running it in.
I hope it does turn up as it will no doubt be favourite and make the market for some others in what is always a very good race, that produces lots of winners!

Impossible you are the biggest loon on here
Go back and read your posts on this thread
It was you who was bigging the horse up
As the best horse MOL would ever own
That it would win the ballymore
N enter the gold cup a year later
Whilst MOL was telling you he wasnt the second coming
Connections knew exactly what they had
idnt take you long to go back to the racism
You showed towards the irish last year

Reckon it’ll be 153 if they are lucky, 163 worse case scenario.

He's been allocated top weight of 11st 12lbs (OR 157). But, price of 12/1 suggests he's more likely a no show.

With rain forecast for leopardstown and probable watering I doubt Elliot will run many at Cheltenham on Saturday

Don’t think connections will be too happy with Dallas DP rating. Suspect they were hoping that two thumpings would sneak him in at 145. Tully East may have scuppered things for others perhaps.

I think it’s fair to say they are distinctly unhappy...... article in today’s racing post

This dog's entered in The Arkle (jumped into submission), Marsh (thumped by Faugheen) and RSA (stamina limited exposed). No handicap races though.

any updates

have a good day
regards
Ronnie.

An unusual but deliberate low profile approach to Cheltenham by connections. Let's hope the horse psychiatrist can bolster his mind and deliver a good result next month.

Impossible
thank you for  feedback

have a nice evening
regards
Ronnie.

H e doesn't need a Psychiatrist, he needs a Pulmonologist.

He's had a wind operation since Limerick (defeat) where he did not scope well post race; far from certain for Marsh (work dependent next 2 weeks) or if heavy ground would be rerouted to Fairyhouse.

Will he atone in the JLT or will he leave his heart behind at the racecourse? I hope the real Samcro turns up.

The real Samcro?Is that the champion novice hurdler who was never really a hurdler at all, and neither was he ever a 2 miler,but who was actually born to be a staying chaser?

Very lucky win for me. He was my banker until pulverised by Faugheen at Limerick; his price post this was humongous.

Horse racing is a funny old game.This Cheltenham is beginning to look like what I like despite feeling non-plus about it in recent weeks. Even Champ snatched victory from the jaw of (near) certain defeat.

He retains all his ability and for today at least the problems that have plagued him were not present so he was able to show his true running, that is what happened.

Very pleased for the horse

!

Read what impossible says, absolute tosh. Dogs it in a battle. What did he win by ? A nose ? Clueless ejit, said he never backed him on one thread then says it was a very lucky win for him on this thread. Then someone else says this forum is sadly lacking. Hardly a surprise. Read the post of mine 26th dec, he was a davy russell ride then and gordon performed a fantastic training performance to iron out the wrinkles. Well done to the horse, if a few on here ignored the loons that crave their attention this forum would improve greatly.

There were a few of us who were Samcro fans and remained so.

....and we'll get it all over again through next Winter when he struggles to get the air in his lungs on bad ground, but just remember to get with him by this time next year in the Ryanair.

Will he go Gold Cup? Could be intriguing with ABP, Santini and Lostintranslation. Definitely no CDO and PP.

Yeah wonder if that "non stayer" MONALEE , BTN 2 Lengths this year will be there impejit

Real steel and monalee both ran crackers.

We are blessed that impejit knows more than HDB ......fancy keep running a non stayer over three miles and finishing fourth in a gold cup beaten less than two lengths by the winner, earned over a quarter of a million now as a non-stayer of course

Add to that keeping on strongly at the end of 3m2f

Maybe Monalee is "staying" better with time, but I think PP was "weakening" when falling. But, the winner is pretty decent. Santini needs to sharpen up. An entry in the Workingham perhaps.

I hope Lostintranslation skips the Betfair instead focuses on the King George (the proximity of these two races could be responsible for it dismal performance last year). but, an excellent run since Dec 2019 yesterday.

The workingham ????

I don't think anyone can be blamed too much with being a tad confused re Monalee
Looking at his race record -
His career thus far is littered with races varying from 2m2f up to 3m,with many at 2 and a half and 3m,and none at further than 3m until last week.
He won a ptp over 3m,and a hurdle over 3m,and his 3 chase wins are over around 2 and a halfm.
Last season he ran at xmas over 3m beaten comfortably by Kemboy,but still beat some useful stayers in the process,and then ran over 2 and a half next time out,followed by the Ryanair.Then went back up to 3m and was pulled up.
This season he started off at 2m4f,stepped back up to 3m and ran a cracker at xmas just getting beat by Delta Work.
Then they decided to go for the Gold Cup and hes ran another cracker.

Ive sat on the fence a fair bit with him as regards staying 3m well,and I have to admit before the Gold Cup I did not think he could stay well enough to figure, with this opposition,but he did.
Now im thinking the horse may have confused the trainer over the years?,which would explain the changes in distance as hes developed into what he clearly is now, a staying chaser.
HDB is one of the shrewdest trainers out there imo,and one of the most genuine.....you only have to listen to every interview he does to know that.
Hes worked the horse out now for sure.

Only wish that were true budd

You never know

wokingham royal ascot  santini ? hed have to start now and might get placed

Santini is and out and out chaser like a greyhound; put anything infront and he'll chase and run like the clappers.

I think whether Monalee stays the Gold Cup trip the jury is still out given the mediocre pace at Cheltenham. Let's hope a fast pace at Punchestown will enlightent us more. But, he ran a good race.

Jury is still out !


You are so thick ........

for what it's worth, I think Monallee stays.
Just gets beaten by better horses on the day,
who overall are better than him at this stage.
As for Samcro he's 2/4 over chases (pos 3/4 if
not falling),still a player and class act,imv.

Hope he stays
Conversations have been had
About the irish national
Oooooopppppssss

Don't worry too much about what trip Monalee needs, whether he runs over 2.4 up to 3 or whatever it is, in top class races  he will run well without winning, that's just him isn't it.

Samcro needs a Dyson before racing - the gunge needs ridding of.

^ clueless

Gold Cup or budget airline? The owner has Delta Work too for the big one.

Elliot: "Samcro is very hot and cold. When he's good he's good, when he's bad, he's very bad."

I think punters have cottoned on to that Mr Elliot. Thanks for the confirmation nevertheless!

I've forgotten, he's budget airline bound, if he makes Cheltenham.

I think you will find that when he's bad he is in fact, horrid!

But, he seems to like Cheltenham...winning both times.

any chance samcro goes gold cup now delta w is out ?

He'd be interesting, we can't take anything conclusive from his first failed attempt at 3 miles, as it could be put down to a typical winter bad ground run from him.

Before EA we did have Samcro didn't we who was supposed to conquer all on route to Gold Cup glory, that all got rather lost in the wash when he remained over hurdles and his subsequent mishaps. We saw last year though that at the festival on better ground what went before can be largely ignored, so on that basis and with the original plan for him still not really been busted....why not?

yes he is a very good horse when he is  right as the marsh win shows .worth a pop at the gold cup !

No mention of he going Gold Cup, only budget airline, if he makes Cheltenham. He's either hot or very cold, according to Elliot; bear this in mind before wagering.

He was an unexpected winner for me in the JLT beating Melon (I think), and Faugheen, the horse that trounced him in Ireland prior.

7/1 from 19/1 in the last few days. The better ground will certainly be in his favour too.

The sulky git just was not interested. Maybe gone-off the game.

With the easy-to-back 11/4 favourite Samcro (blowing hard after) very disappointing in sixth, the John J. Galvin Steeplechase was won in good style by Darasso (11/2).

The front-running Abbey Magic jumped right throughout, and it was smart riding by Luke Dempsey on the winner to get up that one’s inner going to three out and ensure a clear run from that point.

Darasso led before the next and went away to beat Snow Falcon (5/1) by seven lengths.

A winner of Graded races over hurdles and fences in 2019 before struggling a bit when highly tried subsequently, Joseph O'Brien's French-bred 8-year-old was back to winning ways on his previous outing when taking a conditions hurdle at Killarney.

"He is a good horse and did it nicely," said Dempsey.

"I was eager enough to get ahead of (leader) Abbey Magic who was jumping right and the loose horse wasn't helping me either.

"He was long at the last but came up for me and in fairness once he had hit the front he did it well in the end. It was a good performance."

Quotes from Thomas Weekes

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Fecking chesnut ....pains in the r s

Reserve in the Galway plate today
How the mighty have fallen
Lets hope he gets in !





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236p47Exit Poll (IRE) 8,b g 10-8
Elusive Pimpernel (USA)-Carolobrian(Mark Of Esteem)

(72) (OMEGA Racing)
Rated 142  Mrs John HarringtonS F O'Keeffe


24030pSamcro (IRE) 10,ch g 10-8
Germany (USA)-Dun Dun(Saddlers' Hall)

ts+cp5(72) (Gigginstown House Stud)
Rated 142  Gordon Elliott



257-54Unexcepted (FR) 8,br g 10-7
Anzillero (GER)-Eaton Lass(Definite Article)

(12) (John P McManus)
Rated 141
Padraig Roche