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Autocue
18 Mar 17 12:37
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Given all the whingeing beforehand about Irish horses being unfairly handicapped by Phil Smith, I thought I'd have a look at their Festival performance. The Irish won 70% of the handicaps with 26% of the entries.

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By:
PedroPete12
When: 18 Mar 17 12:49
Irish handicap horses made a mockery of the lenient marks handed out by Phil Smith Wink
By:
Autocue
When: 18 Mar 17 19:59
To me it's not the Irish handicapper under-rating Irish horses. It's Phil Smith and his crew over-rating British horses. The sooner he's gone the better.
By:
CheltenhamRoar
When: 18 Mar 17 21:00
Or maybe, just maybe Irish horses are just better as proven time and time again in the grade 1 races.
By:
charwell.
When: 19 Mar 17 00:51
I don't think there is much to choose between the UK and Irish in the Grade 1 races.

However, the fiddling of the Irish makes a mockery of the handicapping. To bleat like a lamb pre the festival and to win most of the races despite a huge numerical disadvantage leaves a rather sour taste in the mouth.

Next year stick another 7lbs on all the Irish h'cappers.
By:
the bloob
When: 19 Mar 17 15:43
I'm not surprised by the fact that they have a better strike-rate than the % of runners, but the difference is huge. I would expect that those horses are sent over are there to win, and not just for a big day out for connections, because of the effort and cost involved in sending them over

the bleating by the Irish about their handicap marks has got to stop though, this happens every time and they walk away with most of the pots. Presenting Percy a great example, wins easily despite being badly treated according to the Irish
By:
The Headmaster
When: 20 Mar 17 11:58
"Or maybe, just maybe Irish horses are just better as proven time and time again in the grade 1 races."

LaughLaughLaugh
By:
Ramruma
When: 20 Mar 17 12:08
Or maybe, just maybe Irish horses are just better as proven time and time again in the grade 1 races.

Erm, that would explain *why* Phil Smith needs to add a few pounds.

For what it is worth, here are the Grade 1 results showing where winners were bred and who trained them. If Willie Mullins were a country ...

SUPREME Labaik (FR) Gordon Elliott
ARKLE Altior (IRE) Nicky Henderson
CHAMPION HURDLE Buveur D'Air (FR) Nicky Henderson
MARES Apple's Jade (FR) Gordon Elliott
NEPTUNE Willoughby Court (IRE) Ben Pauling
RSA Might Bite (IRE) Nicky Henderson
QMCC Special Tiara (GB) Henry De Bromhead
BUMPER Fayonagh (IRE) Gordon Elliott
JLT Yorkhill (IRE) W P Mullins
RYANAIR Un De Sceaux (FR) W P Mullins
STAYERS' HURDLE Nichols Canyon (GB) W P Mullins
TRIUMPH HURDLE Defi Du Seuil (FR) Philip Hobbs
ALBERT BARTLETT Penhill (GB) W P Mullins
GOLD CUP Sizing John (GB) Mrs John Harrington



On breeding, honours are even: 4 GB; 5 FR; 5 IRE. On training, 9-5 to the Emerald Isle.
By:
impossible123
When: 20 Mar 17 20:21
If the Irish felt their horses had been unfairly treated despite their winning consistently might I suggest they come over prior to Cheltenham and run in at least two handicapped races?
By:
joevalue147
When: 20 Mar 17 20:48
GrinLaugh......... The most important part of a trainers job is to get them to peak in March.
By:
Autocue
When: 21 Mar 17 10:15
"Or maybe, just maybe Irish horses are just better as proven time and time again in the grade 1 races."

What would be the point of handicaps if the best horses always won them? The handicapping system is supposed to create a level playing field. You do have a point though. Phil Smith and his crew have been over-rating British horses for years.
By:
wondersobright
When: 21 Mar 17 18:12
Phil Smith and his crew have been over-rating British horses for years

correct

"ratings creep" they call it

for clarity, that's when the horse population average ratings increases over time, not phil smithLaugh
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The Headmaster
When: 21 Mar 17 18:55
http://www.britishhorseracing.com/cheltenham-festival-2017-head-handicapping-blog/
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