Triumph Hurdle 2017

It is possible this season JP could have several that are up to running/winning this race and it makes it very difficult to have a bet.  Some could run in the Supreme and or The Neptune getting the 4yo allowance.

I have actually backed Defi Du Seuil, but can't even be sure it will run. My mistake.

I would advise everybody to keep their brass in their pockets for now and especially so if you fancy a JPM horse.

Housesofparliament goes best on good/firm ground, not soft; Landofhopeandglory can go on good/soft ground but not heavy; Defi Du Seuil appreciates soft/heavy ground, according to trainer; Bhutan ran once and won on heavy ground on the flat; Sword Fighter goes on any ground.

I think with Sword Fighter running over 2m on the flat he could be the one destined for the Neptune or Albert Bartlett of the above.

Backers beware, the above are all owned by JP McManus.

Housesofparliament (Geraghty) and Sword Fighter (M Walsh) are out tomorrow at Leopardstown at 12.15pm; the ground is yielding (good to soft/soft) which is far from ideal for the former but ok for the latter.

Considering the far from ideal ground and giving 3lbs to Bapaume and Walsh (Bapaume) nicking several lengths at the bend and Landofhopeandglory running wider than necessary it was a decent effort despite finishing 2nd to the former whom he beat last time. A sounder surface next time ought to give the latter an excellent chance to confirm form with the former.

Charlie Parcs wins very easy at Kempton and is another for JP. Defi Du Seuil also wins easy again.  The running plans couldn't be murkier!!!!!

Wonder if Charlie Parcs might go for the Supreme - they did that with Binocuular a few years back.

Defi du seuil a definite for triumph,Hobbs said so live on TV,maybe Cheltenham first..hed be clear fav for me.clear!!

On soft/heavy ground I'd back Defi Du Seuil *DDS) 10/10 but Landofhopeandglory and Housesofparliament on good/fast ground; Sword Fighter, I think might go Neptune or Albert Bartlett considering he'd won over 16f on the flat. I do not know where Charli Parcs would go, maybe Ireland or Aintree given his late start.

Any reason for the dismal performance of Jenkins yesterday?

I couldn't have Defi Du Seuil with the way he ran down the last 3 flights. The fact Geraghty chose to stay at Leopardstown for 2 rides also explains the regard he's held in, in my opinion.

Actually think helps done this today,now they know cant be in front two out,horse got loose and was careering away,long run to the last at Chelts and IMO will suit DDS perfectly.Horse got a engine!

Not been overly impressed with any of the EX O Brien horses..SOFTIES!

I think the ground has a big say with the ex O'brien horse the same with Ivanovich Gorbatov ie flying on good ground and stuck in the mud; Landofhopeandglory ran a good race giving 3lb to the winner; Housesofparliament could not pick his feet up on slow tacky ground.

DDS does have an engine and was probably bored being infront three out.

I see all the big Irish guns entered in the Spring Hurdle
Included the unraced Bhutun

Whoever wins that will spearhead
The Irish challenge

JP has his big guns running against each other tomorrow...... interesting!!
Interesting to see how DDS jumps as well!!!

Be amazed if they both run.

JP McManus owns the pair and his racing manager Frank Berry said on Friday morning: "At the moment Charli Parcs is a definite runner. Defi would only run if the ground becomes very heavy, in which case it's possible Charli Parcs wouldn't run. Nothing is set in stone, though."

Those comments must worry DDS Triumph backers.

Maybe a bit of wishful thinking on my part,but both still running as far as I know as I type this.

Hard to have any idea what will happen with this lot budd.

CP a non runner.

Big weekend for this market. The Spring Juvenile in Ireland looks like being a very informative heat.

I was very taken with Dinaria des Obeaux and have backed him at 16/1 and 14/1. Hopeful he can project himself to the top of the market with a win in this.

Gender fluid equine

surprised to see Ruby pick Bapaume over Meri Devie:

1    Bapaume (FR)(140)    Mrs S Ricci    W.P. Mullins    R. Walsh    11,00
2    Bhutan    John P. McManus    Joseph Patrick O'Brien    Mark Walsh(T)    11,00
3    Ex Patriot    Paul Holden    Miss Ellmarie Holden    David Mullins    11,00
4    Housesofparliament    John P. McManus    Joseph Patrick O'Brien    Barry Geraghty(T)    11,00
5    Mega Fortune (FR)(136)    C.Jones    Gordon Elliott    Davy Russell(C)    11,00
6    On The Go Again    L.Mulvany    Michael Mulvany    Denis O'Regan(T)    11,00
7    Sword Fighter    John P. McManus    Joseph Patrick O'Brien    Jody McGarvey(T)    11,00
8    Dinaria Des Obeaux (FR)    Gigginstown House Stud    Gordon Elliott    Jack Kennedy    10,07
9    Meri Devie (FR)    Andrea Wylie    W.P. Mullins    Paul Townend    10,07

The Spring Juvenile Hurdle at Leopardstown on sunday is a hot contest involving several Irish Triumph candidates eg Bapaume (Walsh, 5/2), Dinaria Des Obeaux (7/2), Meri Devie (Townend, 7/2), Housesofparliament (5/1) and Mega Fortune (7/1); Bhutan (16/1) not seen out since beating Houseofparliament on flat many months ago is making his hurdling debut.

A change in this market post the race is anticipated.

Looking increasingly likely Defi Du Seuil will be engaged here and Charli Parcs (drifting alarmingly) heading for the Supreme.

Defi is still the most likely winner and sets a clear standard.  If you were impressed with Master Blueyes as I was yesterday and I backed him for this straight after, then take a look at Divin Bere. Still 25/1 and I've backed him also.

Yes hard to ignore the form shockster but Fred Winter still a distinct possibility for DB?

I've put it on the Fred Winter Thread, can't believe Handicapper won't retrospectively increase Divin Bere's rating. You watch on Tuesday it will get a right hike. You can get a decent line through Evening Hush for rating using Defi Du Seuil and Templier backs it up to a lesser extent.

More info from Nicky Hendersons Stan James article.  Certainly a talking point!!!!!!

I’m also delighted that CHARLI PARCS has suffered no ill effects from his Kempton fall and he had a nice pop around the indoor school on Wednesday with Yogi Breisner just to see how he was and you would certainly say he looked particularly untroubled by what happened. We still haven’t made a decision about which race he will run in at Cheltenham because there are two issues, mainly on what the weather will be doing. I would imagine that DEFI DU SEUL and CHARLI PARCS would not take each other on, one would go for the Supreme and the other the Triumph, but who will go where, at this stage, I just don’t know. The advantage of Charli running in the Triumph would be that if the Festival started on slow ground earlier in the week, it might have dried out by Thursday in which case it’s worth him waiting for the better ground as we know that Philip Hobbs’s horse goes on the soft and it also gives us a bit more time after Kempton which will virtually be three weeks and while it’s only a few days, it counts for plenty. I’ll keep you posted on this one!

sounds like he's backed Defi for the Supreme

Sensible approach from Hendo, I think, as both horses are capable of winning either race. At the moment the forecast is favouring Defi Du Seuil.

I can't see Hobbs giving in with Defi.  he holds the aces IMO and has made no secret he wants to run in the Triumph.  The Triumph is more of a stamina test than the Supreme I believe in terms of new v old course.

I tend to agree - Charlie Parcs would struggle to place in either race based on his showing last weekend.

Henderson is usually fairly risk averse though and the fact that he's committed to running CP makes me wonder whether there was something wrong in the Adonis that we've not been told about.

Im surprised Nicky is even thinking of running Charli Parcs at all after his fall,but assuming he does run i see no reason why Charli and Defi cant both run in the Triumph with Fehily and Johnson riding.
JP still has Movewiththetimes for Supreme.

Henderson is paid to train them should keep his gob shut.

Defi Du Seuil: suitable ground, an 8lb weight allowance against his seniors plus several pounds in rating advantage are very good reasons to run him in the Supreme, I'd have thought. On the other hand Movewiththetimes is closely matched with Ballyandy, and is far from a certain winner.

rease something wrong in the adonis we have not been told about , charli parcs hammered master blueyes in december at kemp similar ground by 9 lenghts giving him 5 pounds ,last week same track similar ground charlie giving  master blueyes  3 pounds and struggling to keep up 3-4 out ,running on under pressure 2 out and falls  as master blueyes going well hacks up ,either charli parcs has not run his race or master blueyes has found massive impprovement since december ?

I would be amazed if Master Blueyes has improved very much, the horse is pretty experienced for a 4 y/o, especially after a busy year on the flat. I can't believe Master Blueyes is now rated 150, absolutely no way is that realistic. I think the form of the race last weekend has been massively overvalued

The Gary Moore horse Templier finished 29 lengths behind Master Blueyes at Huntingdon in the middle of January and 28.25 lengths behind him in the Adonis, level weights both times.

my take on it is charli underperformed for some reason ,the upside is he is double figga price now for the triumph

Charli Parcs just looks to be all hype, very little actual form to go off

DDS is a shoe-in in the triumph and with the weight allowance i wouldnt be suprised if he was up to winning the supreme. Plenty of experience, around here too. Travels, jumps(can go long for a young horse) and has a nice turn of pace at the business end aswell. the only unknown would be a big field

This is the only entry for DDS and Charli Parcs but will both run given Hendo's earlier belief that DDS and Charli Parcs would not take each other on?

Charli Parcs has worked well and the Triumph is the plan says Nicky Henderson and will take on Defi Du Seuil on Stan James preview on Periscope.

Soldier In Action runs in the Triumph says Henderson.  Divin Bere Def goes to the Fred Winter.

Thanks 'shockster'. That means I've 5 running (mostly free) for me ie DDS, Master Blueyes, Bapaume, Charli Parcs and Landofhopeandglory - the last two mentioned are better with good god ground.