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I backed Fox Norton each way for the Arkle with Paddy Power last week.
I had understood that this was an antepost bet and that the "Non runner no bet" element was being granted as a concession
Paddy Power is saying that there is no payout on the place part because there were only 7 runners.
Has anybody come across this before? Anyone know what the relevant rule states?
I had understood that this was an antepost bet and that the "Non runner no bet" element was being granted as a concession
Paddy Power is saying that there is no payout on the place part because there were only 7 runners.
Has anybody come across this before? Anyone know what the relevant rule states?
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If terms stated ew123 you shud be paid
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Thanks Decalec
The terms when I placed the bet were 1/5th of odds for 1,2,3 Any ideas on how to progress |
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Deffo should be paid
In a shop or online? |
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Thanks Roobuck
It was in a shop |
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That's your problem then. Staff unlikely to know rules.
Go in again and speak to Manager and explain it was AP bet, not day of race and should be paid place. Ask them to check with HO as probably settled by system |
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Hope you are having a good time in Cork Naraic, if it is PP near the GPO i pity ya,severe lack of any customer relation training and lucky to get a grunt instead of a thanks. If it is the one in Paul St/Coal Quay,if there is a woman with glasses about 50 still working there,go to her,she is sound.
Agree with Roobuck and Decalec take. Understand the time constraints as you are only there a few days and hope it is sorted. |
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I'd have thought 7 runners 2 places was right.
The same as a non-runner 2 minutes before the off if the bet was placed 5 minutes before the off. Would you have expected paying 3 places if there were even more non-runners and only 3 ran? |
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Rules of racing regarding Ante Post bets
......Each-Way Ante Post bets are settled according to the Each-Way terms advertised at the time the bet was placed...... |
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Not so.
There will be a rider/continuation to the phrase you posted, Facts. That would apply to an event like Golf or perhaps ante-post football where the numbers involved decrease towards the end of an event through natural wastage, so changing e/w terms, not to Non-Runners. Each company has its own rules although I should think the rule for non-runners is fairly universal. Also Rule 4 might apply when it's betting 'with a run', (though not always). Again, as I asked, would you expect to be paid if there had just been 3 starters and the horse was 3rd? |
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NRNB is a concession. It is against Tattersalls Rule 4 to apply the aforementioned to any kind of ante post bet. |
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No studyform, the logic you apply is for day of race / post final decs market. Yes I would expect to be paid if it was third in 3 runner race.
The bookmaker can choose their terms in AP market based on their expectation of the number of runners. They will have made money on withdrawn horses. In AP markets they choose the terms and we choose to play or not. There are universal rules to cover both AP and dayof race markets and they are simply wrong to hold on to the place here as long as naraic is sure it was 1/5 ,1,2,3 |
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Not if it states at the time of placing bets that "any non runners Rule 4 will apply".
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That was to saxon farm
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Good point roobuck.
There MUST be a definitive rule for this eventuality within each Bookie's rules. (Which aren't universal, but tend to be fairly standard and HAVE to be lodged with IBAS). |
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Last point then roebuck.
If it had been a 3 runner affair and the horse won, then presumably you'd expect to be paid Full winnings for the win part and 1/5 the odds a place rather than ATW. |
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Yes as they were the terms that the bet was struck in an AP market. There would be no R4 either
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And it were me and PP still refuse to pay out, out of principle I'd take it to IBAS
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And it were me and PP still refuse to pay out, out of principle I'd take it to IBAS
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STUDYFORM
I know that you are an intelligent and conscientious poster. Not if it states at the time of placing bets that "any non runners Rule 4 will apply". Then NRNB means nothing! |
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Quite right, saxon.
I'm tired and typing some nonsense tbh, I don't even know why I mentioned R4! It's an unusual occurrence - especially at Cheltenham. What IS certain is that very few workers in any big bookies will understand the rules sufficiently to sort this out simply. A shame there are so few independents left  |
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Rest well STUDYFORM. Keep up your excellent work with the BF comps!
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