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Off the toe
02 Mar 16 11:26
Date Joined: 07 Sep 05
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Seem to be fairly hot off the press:
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Report Off the toe March 2, 2016 12:31 PM GMT
Various latest entries here too:
Report scooby91 March 2, 2016 12:46 PM GMT
Great field. Or. 147
Report JackieMoon33 March 2, 2016 12:50 PM GMT
Phil Smith has not missed any of the Irish trained McManus horses for sure. Blazer, Campeador and Squouateur have all be inflated as well. Squouateur stays within the Martin Pipe limit so I'm sure they are still happy with that.
Report Jb23 March 2, 2016 1:35 PM GMT
Modus 10-05 Love
Report ACStafford March 2, 2016 1:39 PM GMT
Yes, Modus does look pretty tasty off that weight.
Report corporal March 2, 2016 2:26 PM GMT
I'm keen on Desoto County who got a great weight in the County at 10-03. My fear is whether Desoto or Modus for that matter will get in? 24 runners and Modus will be mid 50s in the order, and Desoto high 50s.
Report JackieMoon33 March 2, 2016 3:24 PM GMT

That problem gets worse every year as there are more entries and the handicap fields can become condensed. It is now harder to find a nice mark and also guarantee you will make the final cut. The Irish also have to contend with the fact that their marks will get inflated by Phil Smith but they have no idea how much as it varies from horse to horse.
Report pleasedontgetinjuredclanroyal March 2, 2016 5:22 PM GMT
had backed great field for martin pipe ante post but cant see on list of entries ( still on betfair list) have I done my money ?
Report roobuck March 2, 2016 5:56 PM GMT
Rating too high. Did a couple of quid here, money gone I believe
Report Swardean March 2, 2016 7:29 PM GMT
Can someone confirm the Max field size for Cheltenham Handicaps please
Report pleasedontgetinjuredclanroyal March 2, 2016 7:47 PM GMT
thought was 24 but 25 ran in coral cup last year
Report Swardean March 2, 2016 8:00 PM GMT
Cheers PDGICL, can anyone confirm this 100%
Report JackieMoon33 March 2, 2016 8:09 PM GMT

See the conditions at the top of each card
Report Denman The Destroyer March 2, 2016 8:10 PM GMT
26 coral
26 county
24 pertemps
24 martin pipe
24 ultimate
24 plate
24 Kim muir
24 grand annual
22 Fred winter
20 novices chase
Report Swardean March 2, 2016 8:13 PM GMT
Thx guys
Report ReaseHeath March 2, 2016 8:15 PM GMT
As per the link kindly posted by Off the toe in the opening post on this thread - well worth a read...

Race (maximum number of runners)     
Ultima Handicap Chase (24)
Close Brothers Novices’ Handicap Chase (20)   
Coral Cup Handicap Hurdle (26)             
Fred Winter Juvenile Handicap Hurdle (22)     
Pertemps Network Final (24)                 
Brown Advisory & Merriebelle Stable Plate (24)
Fulke Walwyn Kim Muir Handicap Chase (24)   
Vincent O’Brien County Handicap Hurdle (26) 
Martin Pipe Conditional Jockeys’ Hcp Hdl (24)   
Johnny Henderson Grand Annual Hcp Chs (24)
Report ReaseHeath March 2, 2016 8:19 PM GMT
my c/p skills too slow...still worth perusing the document though Happy
Report maelduin March 3, 2016 10:34 AM GMT
Phil Smith gave Blue Hell and additional 5lb for sitting in his box. Now rated 20lb higher for one win. What a phucking c*&t this guy is.
Report JackieMoon33 March 3, 2016 12:03 PM GMT
That's the risk connections of Blue Hell took by deciding to lay him out for this race. They had no idea the form of the race would work out so well and you could argue that this could have happened to an English horse too. In hindsight they could have exploited the mark earlier but chose to aim for Cheltenham glory and it has backfired. I'm not a fan of that walking ego Phil Smith but at least he's consistently in his scam.
Report pa lapsy March 3, 2016 12:39 PM GMT
@ Maelduin,
I,m not so sure you are right there, Blue Hell is rated 137(142 for this) by the Irish handicap ratings,also Desoto County 130(137 for this).
At first look it seems as if the English handicapper is clobbering the Irish runners which i until recently believed was the case. However someone pointed out to me that both handicap systems are slightly different and they are adjusted to the British system.
I'm not a 100% sure on this but i,m now of the opinion that generally they are just brought into line with their British counterparts.
Open to correction on the above.
Report ashleigh March 3, 2016 12:41 PM GMT
is that right, desoto county has little chance of getting in the county hurdle?
Report JackieMoon33 March 3, 2016 12:43 PM GMT
Blue Hell has been allocated 146 versus 137 in Ireland. However, a month or so ago they entered him in the Lanzarote at Kempton and he was allowed 141 back then. Unfortunately he has be rerated by Phil Smith for Cheltenham and upped to 146.
Report JackieMoon33 March 3, 2016 12:45 PM GMT
Desoto County is currently in 59th position so will struggle to make the cut for the County Hurdle. There will be some horses above him that will not run but he needs about 30 to come out and I don't think that will happen looking at the horses.
Report ashleigh March 3, 2016 12:54 PM GMT
couldn't believe it when g elliot decided not to run desoto county in the 150k betfair hurdle and wait for the 90k county hurdle, shot himself in the foot trying to protect the hcp mark.Sad
Report pa lapsy March 3, 2016 12:58 PM GMT
Maelduin is right,that is very harsh indeed.
Looks odds against alright Ashleigh, hope he does make it though as such an eyecatching Leopardstown run, Elliott very upbeat with him also as described him as a bull after his work on Tuesday.
Report delsie777 March 3, 2016 1:05 PM GMT
Perhaps he'll run Desoto in the Imperial Cup at Sandown the weekend before?
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