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Pg25
18 Feb 16 09:34
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Noticed min drifting from 3.25 to lay right out to 4.5 this morning. Backed the horse at 12/1. Like many of he goes then my book is looking seriously shot!
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Report RBoyd86 March 2, 2016 5:48 PM GMT
I'm hoping we can get some 3-1 with specials
Report mrglovesthosetins March 2, 2016 5:50 PM GMT
Vautour drifted like a barge and won at 7/2 with its head in its chest as the dough came for Irving. 7/2 was good value you could even taste it it was so good lol
Report RBoyd86 March 2, 2016 5:50 PM GMT
lol
Report shockster March 2, 2016 8:33 PM GMT
Min 3/1 for max £50 Betair next 15 mins.
Report marychain1 March 2, 2016 8:38 PM GMT
Taken that, first bet in the race except a small ew double with Min & Cue Card
Report Fallen Angel March 3, 2016 9:49 AM GMT
we may well know more about Min after the weekend with both the two vanquished horses running, i know some would argue that 2/1, 9/4 is a short price with loads of improvement expected from some of the others but I look at the more I look at the collateral form and it is probably stronger than both Vautour and Douvan at the same stage. It might just be that the better novices are in Ireland, if so Min might actually look like a gift post 1.30pm on the tuesday
Report roobuck March 3, 2016 10:08 AM GMT
Well if you believe Phil Smith's rating for Ball D'arc, then he has Min miles clear
Report RBoyd86 March 3, 2016 6:48 PM GMT
at 6-4 not for me but 5-2 too 3-1 is a must play for me
Report Pg25 March 3, 2016 6:52 PM GMT
If you think a horse is going to win surely you back it?? It's ok seeking value but for the sake of 2 points. The horse is the definitely class act in the race absolutely no chance of seeing any 3-1 on the day for any real money.
Report RBoyd86 March 3, 2016 7:03 PM GMT
generally yes but with him its not his class angle, i think he's the best horse in the race. Its weighing up the doubt in my mind will he over do it (pull to hard, get to lit up in prelims) At 6-4 i dont think theres enough juice to take the risk (i can find better 6-4 shots) but at 3-1 say (price boosted to last night) theres enough juice to cover my worries with min.
Report impossible123 March 4, 2016 5:56 PM GMT
Money is coming in for Min, probably aided by the Cheltenham weather.
Report marychain1 March 4, 2016 7:12 PM GMT
Layers will be out to get Min I reckon. Loads of Mullins accas are already down cos of Faugheen. Layers start with fat wallets this year, reckon they'll be falling over each other to get Min in the book.
Report scooby91 March 6, 2016 2:21 PM GMT
Gurteen and attribution both poor there, can only beat what they put infront of you though
Report lewisham ranger March 6, 2016 3:16 PM GMT
something that stood out in my mind was the reaction of the jockeys on the second and third to Min last time out- Cooper and Russell- they both seemed in awe of this horse when they went over to speak to Ruby after the race.

Altior a tough little battleship but struggled to get the better of Maputo last time he was at Cheltenham and Min is a few levels above that horse
Report chelters16 March 6, 2016 4:25 PM GMT
Lewisham,as ever its what they do next Tuesday that matters, Min could be anything but will have to be something to justifybthe hype and his crazy short price,lm willing to take him on.
Report Paterson92 March 6, 2016 4:32 PM GMT
No excuses as far as I know for Attribution, but ...

"Gurteen examined after first race at Naas: Found to have an injured right hind leg."
Report jasey March 6, 2016 4:37 PM GMT
Ye we have all seen many a horse easily smash their way to be unbeatable in the Supreme and fall flat .
Fair enough if you have double figure odds that's the name of the game but i would rather take Min on at the current prices.
Report hunter71 March 6, 2016 5:25 PM GMT
WAIT until the day get 3/1 pay for cheltenham  wont be beat wins by 5l or more.
Report Pg25 March 6, 2016 5:44 PM GMT
If its anywhere near 3/1 il get the shovel out! Can't see it being anymore than 9/4 at a push.
Report bankit March 6, 2016 6:00 PM GMT
I could see 5/2 being available on the Tuesday morning for an hour or so, best horse don't always win the supreme, sprinter sacre was only 3rd, and there's a lot more to add to that list.
Report impossible123 March 7, 2016 8:26 AM GMT
With the ground drying up could Min be a betting proposition with 'nrnb' and 'money back as a free bet' if a loser with S..bet' at 7/4?
Report lewisham ranger March 7, 2016 9:33 AM GMT
Maybe Min is a betting proposition full stop...
Report uptothelast March 7, 2016 1:07 PM GMT
Baldfred going 3/1 in his shops up to £100
Report Graeme83 March 7, 2016 1:28 PM GMT
Read the small print on that offer :-

Offer applies only to members of Freds family

Must bring genetic proof of relations

All winnings have to be turned over 12 times
Report bankit March 8, 2016 4:08 PM GMT
Noticed this is out to 5/2 with hills ( although they're not nrnb ) will 3/1 or bigger be available next Tuesday!!??
Report Fashion Fever March 8, 2016 4:27 PM GMT
apparently ruby told billy hills tv/radio that he rides yorkhill in the supreme
Report bankit March 8, 2016 4:29 PM GMT
Oh right, well I see why the drift, surely can't be the animal some think it is if he's deserting, I assume yorkhill will go off joint 2nd fav with alitor about 5s..
Report Fashion Fever March 8, 2016 4:30 PM GMT
im prtty sure yorkhill will go off fav in this scenerio

intersting that fogarty said at a preview eveving all willys stable lads fancy yorkhill
Report bankit March 8, 2016 4:36 PM GMT
Surely for yorkhill to go off fav, min would need to drift to about 4s..? Not a great sign if your an ante-post min backer what ever price it starts...
Report Fashion Fever March 8, 2016 4:38 PM GMT
i doubt they would be able to give min away if ruby choose elsewhere
Report duffy March 8, 2016 4:40 PM GMT
Walsh said earlier on RUK that he rides Min
Report Fashion Fever March 8, 2016 4:40 PM GMT
just noticed mins down to 17 for the champion hurdle

maybe he goes for that and annie back to the mares
Report buddeliea March 8, 2016 5:01 PM GMT
Don't know about you lot,but I aint believing anyone connected to this yard.
One thing I do know,anything is possible.
Report flushgordon1 March 8, 2016 5:39 PM GMT
Min ging
Report mrglovesthosetins March 8, 2016 6:18 PM GMT
Lads let me tell use something for nothing, Big Mac could ride Min instead of Ruby and hed still win with his head in his chest, if Ruby chose to ride Yorkhill over Min it would be the worst decision of his entire life, watch both of his last two races and tell me which of his rivals will be able to live with him/pass him, the Animal is a complete and utter machine, they will not see which way this yoke goes from start to finish, its got speed, it jumps like Jonathan Edwards and finishes its races off like Moses Kiptanui. Get on get paid, have the winnings on Douvan then whack it on UDS who just has to jump around from start to finish to win and then have it all on Limini in the Mares Novice. See you in the Bahamas.
Report impossible123 March 8, 2016 6:22 PM GMT
mrgloves....

That simple, if only!
Report equine flew March 8, 2016 6:26 PM GMT
Ruby would not switch  unless he felt there was clear daylight between then.   If it was in any way close or he was unsure he would surely stick with min.
Report impossible123 March 8, 2016 6:26 PM GMT
As long as Min runs I do not care who rides him - I'm not a fan of RW anyway.
Report mrglovesthosetins March 8, 2016 6:27 PM GMT
Min will win by 4/5+, Altior is too slow and has been outpaced/pushed along in its races, why its shorter than its stable mate i dont know nor can work out, id even have Yorkhill who doesnt seem to do too much when in front (should be going for the Neptune imo) infront of Altior in the betting and i think Altior will drift markedly from now till race time, i may be wrong but thats my opnion.
Report Mister Westsound March 8, 2016 6:46 PM GMT
So Ruby says he would choose to ride Min over Yorkhill and on the back of that Min drifts to the biggest price it's been in weeks if not months. That is utterly baffling and there has to be more to it. It's the WuM stable though so who knows what they are up to. Given the RW endorsement there seems to be something amiss. We will know by this time next week who knows what the week ahead will bring.
Report Giggsta March 8, 2016 6:49 PM GMT
I can't understand how Altior is so much shorter than BD in the betting either especially as BD will appreciate the cut in the ground. Biggest danger to Min will be getting worked up in the parade ring before the race I think. Not sure where the story came from about Ruby riding riding Yorkhill. Why would RW tell Hills radio that he would ride Yorkhill given his association to PP? Baffling
Report roobuck March 8, 2016 6:49 PM GMT
All RW said was he rides Min.....did he say what race? Devil
Report scooby91 March 8, 2016 6:50 PM GMT
Buveur dair I'm assuming is slightly weak because the piece of work they did this weekend where altior won from his lead horse easily and buveur dair was behind vaniteux.
Report Mister Westsound March 8, 2016 6:51 PM GMT
Pretty sure the Twitter quotes were he would choose Min over Yorkhill for the Supreme.
Report scooby91 March 8, 2016 6:52 PM GMT
This was reported by hendedson but Could be misleading as iv no idea who altior was working with.
Report Mister Westsound March 8, 2016 6:53 PM GMT

Mar 8, 2016 -- 12:27PM, mrglovesthosetins wrote:


Min will win by 4/5+, Altior is too slow and has been outpaced/pushed along in its races, why its shorter than its stable mate i dont know nor can work out, id even have Yorkhill who doesnt seem to do too much when in front (should be going for the Neptune imo) infront of Altior in the betting and i think Altior will drift markedly from now till race time, i may be wrong but thats my opnion.


Given the current Min drift there is no way Altior will drift too unless the whole SO market is about to be turned on it's head !!!

Report roobuck March 8, 2016 6:54 PM GMT
@MW just causing mischief. As usual loads of garbage, rumour and counter-rumour in lead up to festival.
Report Mister Westsound March 8, 2016 7:08 PM GMT

Mar 8, 2016 -- 12:54PM, roobuck wrote:


@MW just causing mischief. As usual loads of garbage, rumour and counter-rumour in lead up to festival.


Rumour.....here's the quote attributed to RW here as reported in the Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/mar/08/heavy-rain-expected-to-turn-che...

Report roobuck March 8, 2016 7:31 PM GMT
Cannot get link to work. Point I make is that my first post not entirely serious. Lots of 2+2 = 5.
Report quantize March 8, 2016 7:48 PM GMT
5/2 with hills at the moment.
Report impossible123 March 9, 2016 12:16 AM GMT
Good going suits Altior better but Buveur D'air likes it soft, according to trainer.
Report Shrews March 9, 2016 8:48 PM GMT
I can't see too much in Min's form that means he is capable of achieving 155+. In fact Gurteens recent defeat (6th March) puts the dampeners on his chances a little for me.

Douvan and Vautour were rated 155 when winning and Mullins rates Min inferior to them, so I'm guessing that he's a 150 horse.

Champagne Fever (148), Cinders And Ashes (142), Al Ferof (142)means that in an average renewal he may well be good enough, but in this particular race with two 154 rated and Yorkhill also looking 150+ then Min isn't a certainty in the Limini or UDS bracket for me.
Report impossible123 March 9, 2016 9:17 PM GMT
Min is rated 159, the same for Yorkhill with Altior on 161 and Buveur D'Air on 155 with the Racing Post.
Report DECALEC March 9, 2016 9:30 PM GMT
Gurteen finished injured in it's last race fractured a leg hth Shrews
Report playthegameboy March 9, 2016 9:33 PM GMT
Gurteen also won a P2P over 3m. Campaigning him over 2m wouldn't be showing him in the best light methinks
Report DECALEC March 9, 2016 9:45 PM GMT
Faugheen what was it's 1st raceConfused
Report playthegameboy March 9, 2016 10:36 PM GMT
Gurteen is no Faugheen. I think thats safe to say
Report lewisham ranger March 9, 2016 11:55 PM GMT
first rule of betting club is, nicky never wins the supreme. Cool

second rule of betting club is, nicky never wins the supreme... Cool
Report stevo1 March 9, 2016 11:59 PM GMT
1986 and 1992 he is overdue many placed horses,maybe this is the year?
Report lewisham ranger March 10, 2016 12:12 AM GMT
I must admit that if (the first rule of betting club is that nicky never wins the supreme Cool)

I'd really want to back this second string of Hendo's here.

Won at Newbury like something had put a rocket up his bum. Far more visually impressive than this Altior for me.

Given the increasing doubts about Min, Yorkhill is well fancied but that might be a feint by the mullins stable and the rest probably aren't good enough

that leaves the hendo second string who's name I can't spell

if only for one thing,

first rule of betting club is nicky never win the supreme Cool

apart from flown in 1992 Excited

I think there's a solid reason why Hendo doesn't win the supreme actually. His hurdlers tend to be flat track types that are best suited by places like Newbury and Kempton etc. My Tent or yours for example didn't get up the hill. Neither did Binocular either, although he won the champion a couple of years later

This second string probably won't get up the hill either, but at the prices I might just take the risk. Given I think he's the best horse in the race it would be pretty stupid not to, although I admit I'm breaking the first rule of betting club.
Report buddeliea March 10, 2016 6:32 AM GMT
He's a trainer that is normally fairly gentle with his novices,and he gets the best of them after their novice season. Hence winning the CHurdle a fair few times.
Altior to me looks a bit different to his previous class horses he's not won the race with. Think he's more than ready to run a big race. Whether he's the best on the day is another matter.
Report lewisham ranger March 10, 2016 9:28 AM GMT
different how?

he's another one who's best performance is on a flat track.

I think the problem is his horses have brilliant speed, which tends to get blunted by the hill. up the cheltenham hill you need different qualities.
Report buddeliea March 10, 2016 12:18 PM GMT
Problem with that is a lot of these novices that don't win the supreme go on to win at the festival and certainly get up the hill then.

I just look at Altior and see a horse that finds plenty when asked,and looks a tough sort rather than a Sprinter Sacre type if yer like,when he was a novice.
Just my views mate.
Report Joist March 10, 2016 12:54 PM GMT
I look at Altior and see a horse who was all-out to beat an injured Maputo a head DevilGrinWink
Report mrglovesthosetins March 10, 2016 1:09 PM GMT
Im 1/5 rides the winner aka MIN, Yorkihill wont get within sniffing distance of it and i think itd be better if Yorkhill ran in the Neptune.
Report mrglovesthosetins March 10, 2016 1:10 PM GMT
Im 1/5 Ruby rides the winner aka MIN, Yorkihill wont get within sniffing distance of it and i think itd be better if Yorkhill ran in the Neptune.
Report sc1883 March 10, 2016 1:11 PM GMT
Altiors race at Cheltenham was a farce of a race. Small field, slowly run and pulling for its life for most of the first circuit. Eventually turned into a sprint. Settled much better in a faster run affair at Kempton.
Report lewisham ranger March 10, 2016 1:33 PM GMT
maybe budd, but don't you think that sprinter sacre is a tough horse given what he's done subsequently?

I think this hill blunt's the hendo's horses explosive speed
Report buddeliea March 10, 2016 4:56 PM GMT
Well hes had a lot of festival winners as well as other Cheltenham winners,but not too many novice hurdle winners.
Sprinter Sacre was weak as a novice, otherwise he would have p1ssed that supreme given what he did in the next couple of years.
Like I said its just my view mate that he trains his novices with their futures very much in mind, and is gentle with them as novices.
What I saw with Altior at Kempton was a horse that looked to me a typical supreme horse, reminded me a bit of Al Ferof. Like I said I think he may be a bit different.
But its opinions mate,thats all.
Report charwell. March 10, 2016 8:56 PM GMT
Hendo also had Zaynar win this a few years back.

I like both of his against Min but Altior gives the impression he would be better equipped in a scrap than Belvour. I have been very impressed with his progression this season.

Min will have to be exceptional to beat him. He may be; but the vibes aren't that great and he seems he may be a bit 'fizzy.' Possibly for his backers see how he handles the preliminaries.
Report buddeliea March 10, 2016 9:00 PM GMT
Zaynar won the triumph hurdle.
Report charwell. March 11, 2016 12:53 AM GMT
Whoops, yes I know and backed it!

Was trying to add weight to the Henderson hurdlers argument and meant to say Triumph.
Report duffy March 11, 2016 1:06 AM GMT
I don't get all this worry about min doing too much through his races, he doesn't. What we saw last time was how he comfortably travels through his races, yes it's powerful and to some horses it may equate to doing too much, but we saw just how much it took out of him by the way he powered on strongly again off the home straight, it took precisely nothing out of him so what he did through the race was within his natural capabilities without worry of compromising his chances late on....the question that needs asking is how are the others going to keep tabs on him and then go past him as he kicks again, he is a fantastic jumper too, never touched a twig at punchestown.

Min will win the Supreme in much the same way as Vautour did IMO.
Report impossible123 March 11, 2016 10:57 AM GMT
I hope Min makes the running at its own pace, and wins especially at odds of 5/2 or more - his style of running is similar to Faugheen I think ie goes off infront, winds it up, stays and runs to the line.
Report mrglovesthosetins March 11, 2016 7:31 PM GMT
duffy your 500% correct, exactly my thoughts, i think this beast should be slight odds on.
Report marychain1 March 11, 2016 7:33 PM GMT
I'd love min to go off at 3/1 which would qualify me for 3 x £50 bets when he wins if Betfair's promo is to be believed
Report mrglovesthosetins March 11, 2016 7:35 PM GMT
Youll be lucky if Min goes off bigger than 7/4
Report impossible123 March 11, 2016 8:28 PM GMT
Sheds load of cash waiting to back Min, and Yorkhill is going the opposite way - a pure coincidence? My FOOT!
Report mrglovesthosetins March 11, 2016 8:37 PM GMT
Min's price from now until the off will only go one way, god help the firms who put it up against him over the odds.
Report Can't Catch Me March 12, 2016 8:45 AM GMT
I can't understand why quite so many so called 'experts' at these preview nights keep saying Min is a shocking price.

It looks a very weak Supreme to me. Yorkhill looks like going for the Neptune, Buveur d'Air and Tombstone both drifting, and neither have form to worry the two principals to my eyes, Moon Racer is not going to make the race and next in the betting is Supasundae.

It essentially looks a two horse race to me. Min v Altior. And both represent decent value imo, whichever one you fancy. I can see arguments for both, but I'm backing Min myself.
Report Mister Westsound March 12, 2016 9:01 AM GMT

Mar 11, 2016 -- 2:37PM, mrglovesthosetins wrote:


Min's price from now until the off will only go one way, god help the firms who put it up against him over the odds.


You would have to say Min is pretty weak in this market. Yorkhill news on paper makes Mins task a lot easier yet still no real money for it and 2/1 still readily available so layers clearly think she's worth taking on. On known form it looks between two but there are plenty with potential to improve. In my eyes there should be very little between Min and Altior price wise. I suspect the sheer weight of Irish money will see Min go off fav but if there is a plunge it is bound to see Altior go off over priced.

Report johnn March 12, 2016 9:05 AM GMT
I agree, I suspect there's not much depth in there. With 4/1 and 3/1 available in the last month - even if just to a nifty from BF the other night I suspect those prices might look good come close of play Tuesday.
Report mrglovesthosetins March 13, 2016 9:47 PM GMT
Dont worry lads everythings going to be ok on Tuesday, Micky Fitz has Bismarked (Lay of the meeting) MIN, so get down to B&Q or Homebase in the morning and buy a few more Barrows and shovel more on.
Report DECALEC March 14, 2016 12:08 AM GMT
ExcitedGrin
Report mrglovesthosetins March 15, 2016 7:13 AM GMT
Lads im going to tell ye, this Min could possibly be the best Novice Hurdler ive seen since Istabraq - get the Wheelbarrows and pile it on !
Report geoff m March 15, 2016 7:27 AM GMT
I was thinking back to Golden Cygnet.
Report Fallen Angel March 15, 2016 7:28 AM GMT
seems very solid this morning, i had taken that if Yorkhill was good quick enough he would be in here rather than the Neptune, although the way he is shortening for that he could soon be favourite in that race Devil, hopefully Min turns out to be as good as he looked last time out
Report Satrus_Froot March 15, 2016 7:45 AM GMT
No strong opinions on the supreme but as Fallen Angel says Yorkhill going Neptune could only be read as a positive for Min. Bring it on absolutely buzzing.
Report Munter 69 March 15, 2016 8:50 AM GMT
Am i the only one who has backed Silver Concord ......:(
Report impossible123 March 15, 2016 9:00 AM GMT
Munster69

You are not - I have backed it too along with 3 others as savers for Min.
Report mrglovesthosetins March 15, 2016 1:21 PM GMT
Pile it on lads Grin
Report sc1883 March 15, 2016 1:37 PM GMT
#teamhendo
Report DirkDiggler March 15, 2016 1:37 PM GMT
Could not have gone better, Altior 1st, Min 2nd.


Laugh
Report Mooono March 15, 2016 1:39 PM GMT
Beaten by the true monster in the race!
Report DirkDiggler March 15, 2016 1:40 PM GMT
Stuffed it, could see it at the turn.
Report mrglovesthosetins March 15, 2016 1:45 PM GMT
Fair play and fair race there
Report unclepuncle March 15, 2016 1:46 PM GMT
Really good performance from the winner.

Think Mullins made a mistake not giving Min a proper trial race in something like the Delloite.
Report DirkDiggler March 15, 2016 1:47 PM GMT
Don't think it beats Altior though.
Report SOULDANCER March 15, 2016 2:01 PM GMT
Well done SC1883 and BUDDELIEA, good points Altior and proved right.
Report charwell. March 22, 2016 7:34 PM GMT
Altior winning set me up a treat. Had the £25 on Sportsbook @ 9.2 with the 3 matched bets if it won.

Was a superb performance and it makes you feel good when one you have followed and think is a 'good thing' obliges in the manner of a real champ. I thought NH 2nd string ran a blinder after getting worked up in the premilinaries and clouting a hurdle early on.

One to keep on the right side of come Aintree Wink vs Min.
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