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Very interesting Richard. Conventional wisdom is that it's hard to come from the back on very soft or worse ground, I'd never thought it a problem on faster ground. I suppose horses can only run so fast and if the ones in front ain't stopping........
Wind direction is often an overlooked factor as well, a headwind down the straight doesn't suit front runners at all, I suppose that would be more true of the New than the Old. |
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Very good read Richard. Enjoy reading your posts on here a lot.
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Thanks for the feedback guys, it was just something that struck me on the day, been meaning to write about it for a while! Mightn't be wise to read too much into it, but backing an extreme hold up horse on fast ground would be a concern I think
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Realise this thread is about pace bias rather than topography of the track; but a couple of lines in the ot reminded me that the wise guy trend these days is to say that Cheltenham isn't stiff or galloping at all. You want nippy sorts that trap and rail like the 1 dog, apparently.
I think Roobs might have started it, but it's certainly caught on.... |
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Whilst without doubt an interesting OP, confused by title of thread? Expecting analysis of on inner or out wide but clearly. not about that at all. Up with pace or out back biding time will be same for all courses and yes will be different according to goi g
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That's Roobswalsh btw, not Roobuck
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Man years ago I was struck by a comment from Mick Fizgerald that you always seem to be turning at Cheltenham and that the perception that it is a galloping track is a little misleading. This would seem more an issue on the old course but at least on that course I think you need a horse which is a balanced sort.
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HM, knew you weren't talking about me
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The 4 miler a few years back with Hot Weld and Beantown is another example of front runners railing well and never looking like being caught on fast ground.
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On the old course one is turning practically all the time. A horse jumping to the right is really at a disadvantage. To win at Cheltenham and especially on the old a horse needs to have all the attributes. PFN told all and sundry over a period of about two years that Silviniaco Conti would not be suited to Cheltenham and how right he was. I dont remember him giving a reason for his thinking though.
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Please don't ever mention Beantown again
![]() ![]() ![]() Anyway, he was ridden by a sack of spuds and flew up the hill when finally given the go, having sat out of his ground. I wish he had been leading throughout. Even the exacta was an effing disaster. Convinced it was cos they were racecard nos 7 and 14 and some fruitcakes were doing multiples of 'lucky 7'. £735.30 for 33/1 beats 40/1 in a non-handicap 22 runner chase at Cheltenham??? I was on the floor when they went past the post....and got the final kicking when that rancid dividend came through. You've stirred bad memories there, GT! |
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Yeah you farmed that four miler for a few years I think
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It was a very good race for me yes - thanks. All the form's over 3 miles so with some liberal interpretation of what might happen in that final mile you can definitely pull out a wild one
![]() "Beangate" rather signaled a reversal in fortunes however! |