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If Bryan Cooper chooses Don Cossack could Ruby disregard the 2 Ricci horses and ride Don Poli. Would he have the choice ?
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Kinda pointless really as it's never going to happen! As long as Walsh ain't injured he would pick vautour over anything in any race if you listen him!
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Absolutely no chance surely! If RR has a runner, Ruby will be on it. And it's pretty hard to see neither Vautour, nor Djakadam lining up.
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Well Djakadam must be a doubt, and Vautour might not run if they think he cant stay.
Don't think its that bad a call given possible scenarios. |
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cooper will probably be told what to ride he mighten have a choice
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Well of course it's possible bud. Anything is possible. But I don't see any reason Djakadam won't make it myself. And if he doesn't, it's even more likely they will go for gold with Vautour.
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These threads are always great for identifying people.
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Pointless thread! Next topic please!
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Djakadam has had a setback in his prep, they cannot get another run into him. Its perfectly feasible to me they may not risk him with any doubts they may have, he is still a young horse.
I know they are desperate to win the race, but if they think Vautour wont stay he wont run, especially when another Grade 1 is there for them. If they are still unsure(as they probably are right now)on decision day they have a tough call to make. Cooper rides Don Cossack,and all of a sudden Walsh and Don Poli becomes very likely. |
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As if he would get off possibly the best horse in training in Vautour, and jump on board a horse who has benefited from some phenomenal placing in his career! Don Poli is good but that's about it.
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Is vatour going to line up in the gold cup, hard to see it staying gold cup trip around chelt, struggled for stamina in King George so in a fast run gold cup think he gets beat a fence
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His class may see him through - I have absolutely no doubt that he's the best horse in the race and is also a lot better in the spring than he is in the winter. For me it's a match between him and Don Cossack.
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But is he the best horse in training at 3m and 2f?
That's a major question for the jockey. DPoli,whatever you say about him he definitely will get home well,we cannot say with confidence that Vautour will. |
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best horse in training.. how many times do I have to read this absurdity? He's not even the best staying chaser, he doesn't have any form over 2 miles fences and over hurdles he beat Joses Hill and Vaniteux by 6 lengths. His best form is 2nd in the KG, he didn't win that by lengths, he lost, he's not the best of anything as of yet.
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I think hes the best at around 2 and a half - 3m.
But yes you are correct,he has not proven to be the best horse in training. |
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Yes he's best around 2 and half but his performance in the KG is better than what he did in the JLT against novices.
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Yeh, he was tanking all over the KG field 2 out.
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Vautour and Faugheen appear to have the best overall ability of all horses in training; I think it would be difficult to come up with an argument against that.
Whether he stays or not, blah blah (bored sick of reading about it) but raw ability wise, him and Faugheen are on another level. |
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Im all over Don Poli for the Gold Cup and dont understand why he isnt the favourite. Hes been taking the piss out of his rivals at Aintree and in the Lexus, theres more under that bonnet dont you worry about that and if the ground is softer than good the bigger the chance this boy has. Questions have to be answered about his 3 main rivals, will Vautour stay up the hill even on good or firmer ground, can Don Cossack up his game from his last run and will Djakadam remember and come back from a bad fall at the track ?
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PS: in response to the original question in the thread = pointless thread.
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WC you'd surely have to add Douvan to that list?
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Potenitally yes. If he does what we all think he can do in the Arkle, then no doubt he would be up there too, but at the moment, Vautour and Faugheen set the benchmark imo; all just opinion though, because they'll never run against each other so all subjective.
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*Potentially.
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I agree with Well. Some people have too much time on their hands and that obviously includes myself to even reply. Just six weeks now but poor Vautour almost be ridden to death on here - its just as well he cant read although I believe Faugheen can manage some smaller words at this stage.
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If Vautaur runs in the GC I can't imagine Ruby wanting to be on anything else.
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*Vautour
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Walsh rides the best of the willie mulling horses regardless of who owns them.
Between them they will try and carve out as many winners as they can. |
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I don't get why so many people keep saying vautour won't stay! I'm on Don poli myself but I don't see that he didn't stay! Cue card has proven himself too be the best 3m chaser around this season and he just gets up to beat him a hair on a right handed track when he goes better left handed! Remember how bad imperial commander used to run at kempton then ran great at Cheltenham especially the year he beat 2 of the best stayers around so considering he has had 1 go at it I think it's much to hasty to say now he won't stay.
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Betting on Bryan Cooper & Ruby Walsh in the Gold Cup
BC DP=8/15, DC=11/8 RW V=2/7, D=5/2 |
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cacique that's nonsense he doesn't have first choice over Gigginstown and JP McManus horses.
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1.If Djak runs and they think Vautour stays, he runs too with Walsh riding.
2. If Djak runs and they think Vautour may not stay, Vautour won't run and Walsh will ride Djak. 3. If Djak doesn't run and they think Vautour may not stay, they'll chance it and run him anyway with Walsh riding. IMO |
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Duffy agree with 1 and 2 but not necessarily with 3. WM doesnt care which of his owner's horses wins the GC and to be honest Ruby doesnt care either so long as he rides. If say BC picked DC and neither Djak or Vaut were running everyone including MOL would be delighted to have Ruby on DP.
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Slow than John?
What gold cup horses does mcmanus have? And then what gold cup horses does he have with mullins? If Walsh thought he'd win a gold cup on Don poli he'd move heaven and earth to ride him. |
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You said he rides the best of Mullins horses regardless who owns them? That isn't true, Cooper has first choice of the Gigginstown and Geragthy the first choice of McManus, regardless of Gold Cup or any other race.
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Fair enough, in that context u r right.
But for the gold cup Walsh only has a few attempts left, he's hardly going to ride vatour as a possible non stayer in the GC, when he can ride him in the Ryanair and win, and then ride Don poli in the gold cup and win. |
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Get into bed cacique, youve a better chance of riding Don Poli than Ruby has.
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We'll see.
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To return to the topic, dreamland for Don Cossack fans would be if neither Djakadam nor Vautour turn up, Cooper chooses Don Poli, as PP are odds-on that he will, and Ruby rides Don Cossack. More likely than the supposition at the top of the thread.
But those sort of dreams seldom come true. |
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No Cyclops we want them in the race,a small field is beneficial to King Don.Djak DP DC CC Vautour should keep away the dead beat horses that are trying to sneak some place money.
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Never got that one about Don Cossack wanting a small field; Segal on the podcast was saying how he gets claustrophobic!
For me, tucked away in a largeish field with a strong pace on good ground would be his ideal. Last time, he looked ill at ease with four runners and too much to look around at, similarly at times at Down Royal. The Punchestown Gold Cup, with a larger field and the other conditions as above saw him at his best. |