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A VERY interesting read that. Thanks for posting it up.
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most interesting post ive seen on here in ages. good work sir.
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Yeah, good stuff that, thanks.
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good stuff STS
just dont tell us you took 8/1 about yourself posting that article last week ![]() |
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just dont tell us you took 8/1 about yourself posting that article last week Tongue Out
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Just thought add post it cos i presumed not everyone reads the road to cheltenham column on oddschecker
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It is a good column, and good articles but there ante-posts for Festival so far dont look too good?
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I not sure stevo1, he does seem to get 2 or 3 winners every year since i started reading it anyways. Together with Alex Hammond on the sporting life website i think its gold
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Man lands on moon!
"With regards to age,we should not be looking to youngsters (six and under) or contenders aged in double figures as horses in their prime have monopolised championship races of late,with contenders aged seven,eight and nine accounting for 15 of the last 16 winners of the 4 championship races." Taken from 2004 official festival guide,looking at the four previous festivals from 2000. " In other words the stats lead the decision making process. I think for the vast majority of races that will lead to making losses as lots of trends are meaningless – to take an extreme example, you’d probably find a race at the Festival where a large percentage of the last 10 winners had been born on the same day of the week." ^^^ Are people being paid for this? I think if the last 10 gold cup winners were born at 3-15 pm that would be a stat,i,e a fact......not a trend. As for trends being meaningless,I think he means stats by the way,clueless in the extreme. |
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Sea, It was Value Bet column by Ben Linfoot,that wasnt looking too great,apart from a couple.
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Concentrating on 'four championship races' - isn't the Ryanair a championship race? Or is it left out because including it would undermine the argument?
There have been four ten year old winners of the race since it was introduced in 2005, two of those since it was promoted to Grade 1 status in 2008. |
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On HisOwn unlucky not to win Gold Cup at 10yo last year. The fact Fly is still able to win grade 1 2 mile hurdle races at 11yo is crazy. Moscow Flyer Won as an 11yo. Sizing Europe was hugely unlucky he lost as a 10yo in 2010 having been the big loser from spotting they needed to go round the final fence. Kauto Star fell in the Gold Cup as a 10yo when he'd put up the all time highest rated chaser performance on his previous start. Big Bucks missed the festival as a 10yo when still at top of his game, Celestial Halo came 2nd that year.
Personally, like other sports of football etc.. modern training methods is resulting in athletes taking care of themselves much better than before. I believe this is being seen in recent years in Racing with horses careers lasting far longer. Look at Hurricane Fly vs IStabraq for longevity. Kauto Star too. I think the age trends are out of date now, or getting there and any horse bringing form into Cheltenham from that season deserves full consideration in my view. |
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In the last 10 Gold Cups there have only been 4 10yr olds that ran with an SP in single figures. Beef or Salmon hated Cheltenham. Denman finished 2nd and Kauto Star fell in 2010 behind an impressive Imperial Commander and the following year IC pulled up lame. Basically not many have been fancied.
Likely 10yr olds this year Bobsworth, TGB and possibly Boston Bob. All 16/1 or bigger. |
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I've noticed that a 6-y-o starting off their career in the World Hurdle has a great record if the previous years winner doesn't run.
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Think you might be missing Long Runs year, Shockster, when Kauto and Denman were both 11yo and, off the top of my head, must've been single figure prices.
I think that the 4 championship races at the festival make for terrific opportunities, as they're probably the most inefficient markets of the year when considering a horses chances implied by it's odds. This is counter-intuitive as, given the size of these markets, one would assume a greater efficiency. But there are a lot of once a year punters, a lot who try and roll up on a certain trainer (what price Faugheen if Douvan and UDS both gag up?) and an awful lot of sentimental backing in these races. It is this latter factor that can be exploited and this article hits the nail on the head when talking about older horses. The list of short-priced beaten older horses given would include at least a half dozen of any punters favourite ever horses and it's hard to let them go unbacked, we are all guilty of it. Even though in my heart of hearts I know Cue Card is in all likelihood 'gone' (I know he's only 9), I'll still be backing him as - and who hasn't said this - "He doesn't owe me anything". Whereas, in reality, you should be laying 'em and having the field onside. Besides which, if you do lay em, I'm talking principally the shortish ones, and they do win, the pain is somewhat offset by the warm glow of a legend going to the well one last time and coming up with the goods. |
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Desmond, yes you are correct they were i think Kauto was 5/1 and Denman 8/1 and both ran like lions. Think of a fully fit 8yr old Denman or Kauto in this years race and price it up, it would be 10/1 bar lol. Shows how far the gold cup has fallen since the heady 2008/09 period
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@STS v interesting post and just shows that it really is very hard to win at cheltenham and even harder when age is against you
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Desmond sorry was only looking at 10 yr olds not the EVEN older horses.
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