Neptune Hurdle

Yeh,not often we have a Neptune with such an open look,not doing very well at all I aint.

I do like Parlour Games and will probably back him on the day.Reckin he could be a nice price.

That's twice now I've watched Windsor Park being given the tenderest of rides. I wouldn't be bullish enough to say it will reverse the form with Nicholls Canyon at Cheltenham but can see it cruising round of a fast pace at and going close. Looks to me like they have only been concerned with giving it an education in top class races.

I was really impressed with Nichols Canyon. I think he is a worthy fav for this. Solid jumping and good pace for this sort of trip. Seems to have progressed past Shaneshill. Tell Us More is the one who could still be a bit better than he showed the last day. Worry about Parlour Games at Cheltenham - but then i worry about all Ferguson horses at Cheltenham

Me too, i was expecting NC to be clear favourite after todays run but that is down to the entries.

I would need a big price on a ferguson horse, like delsie posted i think a lot of horses are soft.

Yeh ive read a few comments re fergusons horses at Cheltenham,to be honest it don't bother me.

Trouble with Ferguson's is that most were good class flat horses. The undulations at Cheltenham always seem to find them out. They jump ok all season then come into a Championship race at Prestbury and the pace and nature of the track makes their jumping erratic. What was the good one of his who some thought would have beaten Simonsig in the Neptune had it not run out?

Normally there is a stand-out or two in the Neptune but this year its a really eeny-meeny job and appears to be getting more cloudy all the time. Had an early bet on Tell Us More. Havent written it off but wont be spending the winnings yet either. This race the AB and the RSA seem pretty difficult at this stage but at least if you pick a winner you probably get a price.

Also Deloitte winners turn out to be pretty decent.

1994    Danoli                   6    Charlie Swan    Tom Foley
1995    Hotel Minella           8    Graham Bradley    Aidan O'Brien
1996    Bolino Star           5    Paul Carberry    Sean Treacy
1997    Istabraq           5    Charlie Swan    Aidan O'Brien
1998    Native Estates           6    Paul Carberry    Noel Meade
1999    Alexander Banquet    6    Ruby Walsh    Willie Mullins
2000    Youlneverwalkalone    6    Conor O'Dwyer    Christy Roche
2001    Colonel Braxton           6    Kieran Kelly    Dessie Hughes
2002    Like-A-Butterfly    8    Charlie Swan    Christy Roche
2003    Solerina           6    Paul Carberry    James Bowe
2004    Brave Inca           6    Barry Cash    Colm Murphy
2005    Royal Paradise    5    Mick Fitzgerald    Tom Foley
2006    Mr Nosie    5    Paul Carberry    Noel Meade
2007    Aran Concerto    6    Paul Carberry    Noel Meade
2008    Forpadydeplasterer    6    Davy Russell    Tom Cooper
2009    Pandorama    6    Paul Carberry    Noel Meade
2010    Dunguib            7    Brian O'Connell    Philip Fenton
2011    Oscars Well    6    Robbie Power    Jessica Harrington
2012    Benefficient    6    Bryan Cooper    Tony Martin
2013    Champagne Fever    6    Paul Townend    Willie Mullins
2014    Vautour            5    Ruby Walsh    Willie Mullins

I still like TUM but after today, I think Nichols Canyon is a stand out in this field. Will love the probable ground at the Festival. 8-1 makes him a bet. Could get backed in to a stupid price when Ruby commits

personally thought the deloitte was just an average renewal myself on paper...another horse added to the mix today making it even more difficult to solve...i like a couple but not betting till declaration time myself as it is very tight indeed

Agree, lots of hype about Alvisio but he was thumped today. The Irish hurdlers do not look particularly strong, not as strong as the chasers anyway.

Only Douvan and L'Ami Serge missing really, Harry.

it's not that delsie personally i just don't really see any stand out from a handicapping prospective, i've got 7 horses rated very closely myself with improvement and all that stuff taken into account...i hope walsh is on nicholls canyon myself as they will at least make him shorter than he should be...there is a couple i like but until they declare it is to difficult for me to fathom or find a market i would be happy with to play in, add to that what is willie going to run?

if all is well with shaneshill? i could see him departing to the supreme but the market is very weak on the horse in both markets, so who knows i certainly haven't got a clue myself

There was talk of Shaneshill running at Clonmel over 2m6f on tuesday but I hear that Black Hercules is taking that option, so I don't know. I guess Ruby will be choosing between the Wylie runners as most of Willie's Neptune horses are Giggy's. Surprising that the Riccis don't seem to have a Neptune horse

the riccis did have a neptune horse delsie - douvan would be going if the other horse hadn't of died earlier in the season

Absolute minefield at the moment. Add in the fact that Deloitte winners in last 10yrs who have run in the neptune have finished 745440, and that 8 of the last 10 winners started in points or bumpers, and it gets even harder!!

Have to agree with Saritamer on this re Windsor Park.  Both him and Silver Concorde were given easy rides today and expect both of them to be in the mix in the Supreme and Neptune finishes.

Weld is 0 from 7 at Cheltenham over hurdles, but recently he's had Hissabaat, Rite of Passage and Unnaccompanied all place in Grade 1's.

Silver Concorde doesnt not jump quick enough to ever be placed in hurdle race at cheltenham.

Weld was quoted in the Pricewise Supreme preview as saying Silver Concorde is unlikely to travel to Cheltenham.

Just starting to think about this race, I believe Ordo Ab Chao might be a bit underrated by the market just now.He clearly did n't give his running behind Vyta Du Roc at Sandown and then after his Cheltenham win all the focus seemed to be about Value At Risk going for the Albert Bartlett instead of the Neptune.Thistlecrack gave a nice form frank to his Cheltenham win on Saturday although it's probable that one did n't run his race at Cheltenham.

I s'pose it's conceivable that he could end up in the Albert Bartlett too - his sire's offspring include stayers like If In Doubt, Trustan Times and Galaxy Rock - but more likely to run here on the back of his recent course win, I would've thought.

Well played
WELD