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Paterson92
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As we all know, the Mares Hurdle looks like a penalty kick for this horse should she stay hurdling. It looks at this stage as though Un De Sceaux will run in the Arkle, Vautour in the JLT and Faugheen in the Champion Hurdle leaving Annie Power with restricted entries as it is unlikely she will return to 3 miles for another crack at the World Hurdle.

So, with growing chat of Annie Power now being schooled over fences and a decision being taken from there ... the only race over fences at the festival I can see Annie Power running is the JLT. However for this to happen, surely it would require Vautour and Un De Sceaux cutting cutting each other's throat in the Arkle, leaving the JLT open for Annie.

Yet another Mullins puzzle but at 7/1 for the JLT, it's not very appealing never mind the 5/4 about the Mares Hurdle ... after my gamble at staking her at 7/2 for the World Hurdle this year, she's received her last penny from me. Very frustrating to follow and isn't looking any easier this year. What's everyone else's thoughts?

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By:
.Fidway.
When: 09 Nov 14 12:39
How could anyone back a Mullins horse for Cheltenham this early. We wont know at the end of February where they are being aimed atnever mind the start of November.
By:
Paterson92
When: 09 Nov 14 12:56
By February you mean Monday 9th March in Mullins world?
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 09 Nov 14 15:56
More Of That is in my view an exceptional beast. Take him out and we would be hailing a great mare who easily stays 3 miles. The mares is still a weak as pi55 event. They've spoken of her in glowing terms re chasing so logic would suggest that the RSA would be a stepping stone this year to a tilt at the big 3 mile events next year. Of course they may the have a look at the option of the lesser distance and prestige novice event or they could leave her hurdling. It is Mullins and I wouldn't seek to second guess him or bet his horses ante post.
By:
willie the milk
When: 10 Nov 14 19:59
Bang on Fidway.
Leave camp Mullins alone till the tapes are ready to go upLaugh
By:
bluebirdfan
When: 11 Nov 14 07:28
Let's be honest she'll be stuck in the mares, it's a Grade 1 now don't forget
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 11 Nov 14 09:44
No disrespect to the mares involved but it remains a Grade 1 in name only. You can't invent tradition but more importantly competitiveness. The owner clearly isn't in the game just to pick up baubles.
By:
BJG
When: 12 Nov 14 10:56
WILLIE MULLINS has confirmed star mare Annie Power, who has been beaten only once in her 12-race career, is to stay hurdling this season.

Speaking on Wednesday morning, Mullins told the Racing Post: "We've decided that Annie Power will be campaigned over hurdles rather than fences this season. There are lots of opportunities for her over different distances - the OLBG Mares Hurdle at Cheltenham. which is now a Grade 1, being one of them.

"However, we're not specifying any long-term targets for her at this stage. We'll see how things go and she will have plenty of options through the season.

"While we were discussing what to do, we entered her up for a few races including the Fighting Fifth Hurdle and the Hatton's Grace Hurdle but there are no definite plans for her first run of the season just yet. We'll wait until she is ready."

Annie Power has won eight of her nine races over hurdles and met with her only defeat when beaten by More Of That in the Ladbrokes World Hurdle at Cheltenham in March.

She is 10-1 for that contest this term, 14-1 for the Stan James Champion Hurdle and 5-4 favourite for the mares' race, which her former stablemate Quevega won a record six times.
By:
Howdi
When: 12 Nov 14 11:32
MARES HURDLE ExcitedCry
By:
ThunderRoad
When: 12 Nov 14 11:33
Extremely disappointing, but unsurprising.
By:
duffy
When: 14 Nov 14 00:58
She'll be fiddling about in the same races as she did last year before winning the mares hurdle for the next 4 years.
By:
buddeliea
When: 14 Nov 14 17:21
walofs!!!!!!!!!!!
By:
cufcno1
When: 15 Nov 14 00:23
What's she going to run in then buddeliea ?
By:
Wicketd
When: 15 Nov 14 01:36
ricci says she wouldn't have seen which way they went in the champion last year, ruby isnt sure she's a stayer, mares hurdle for sure.
By:
Wicketd
When: 15 Nov 14 01:36
by that i mean, ruby isnt sure staying is her game. she obviously stayed the 3m trip in the WH.
By:
buddeliea
When: 15 Nov 14 07:32
Well shes better than the Mares Hurdle...Grade 1??!!!
Thats a joke as well.


Personally having seen her close up, if she aint a chaser I don't know who is!!
She would be a fascinating addition to the novice chase scene, and very exciting.

Still if they want another Quevega...so be it.
Boring imo.
By:
gutfeeling
When: 15 Nov 14 14:35
Blacktype is blacktype when it comes to breeding.
By:
Wicketd
When: 15 Nov 14 16:16
i agree, dont want to see her in mares, but it looks inevitable. she gets there on the day fit and well, she's a 1/3 shot.
By:
buddeliea
When: 16 Nov 14 10:14
Still, at least she will have a bar at Cheltenham named after her in a few years.
By:
GI MAC
When: 16 Nov 14 10:42
It's not really surprising to see a top class mare being kept over hurdles, even if they look like a chaser. They will no doubt wish to breed with her, and why not given her class.
By:
buddeliea
When: 16 Nov 14 11:01
yeh I know all that,and its fair comment,but I just like to see horses reach their full potential,i don't think this is the way to do it with AP,but it is just my take on it.
By:
maelduin
When: 16 Nov 14 13:22
I think people are reading way too much into the decision to keep AP over hurdles this season. Surely the fact that RR has two potential stars (Vautour & PA) going novice chasing had quite a lot to do with it. If she went chasing chances are she would have bumped into either one come Cheltenham. By keeping her over hurdles the team get to avoid any potential match-ups. It's a win-win for them.

Next season could be a whole different ball game given that she is still only a 6 year old. Also there is no way that RR sits back and lets WPM do a Quevega on her as you can see he is just itching to aim her at the very top. imo.
By:
duffy
When: 16 Nov 14 15:25
Also there is no way that RR sits back and lets WPM do a Quevega on her as you can see he is just itching to aim her at the very top. imo.

He's sat back so far and allowed mullins to run her in the stayers when the whole reason she stayed hurdling last year was to see if she could run in the CH...and she deserved her place in it last year.....now they're still keeping her hurdling, with no apparent target for her in the top hurdle races.......how much better it would be if these horses were spread out a bit more amongst a few more trainers.
By:
Arklearkle
When: 16 Nov 14 16:55
Duffy you must be a bit of a socialist! WM has the good horses for a reason - why would an owner give them to someone else
By:
buddeliea
When: 16 Nov 14 17:28
So they are given every chance to run in the races they should be,and not in those that suit trainers and jockey agendas
By:
Paterson92
When: 17 Nov 14 00:07
But give these horses to another trainer and will they be at the level they are at now? The answer is no. Why is the answer no? Because he is the best trainer around.
By:
buddeliea
When: 17 Nov 14 07:08
Completely disagree,plenty of decent trainers in Ireland,or even England!! End of the day they keep sending best horses to one trainer then we will miss out on seeing competitive races,or at least less competitive races anyway. Spread them around we get proper races with best horses clashing more often,and the horses get to reach their full potential running in the races suited to their strengths and not running in races just to avoid stable mates.
By:
sintonian
When: 17 Nov 14 07:49
Loads of good trainers about. Would happily have a horse with De Bromhead or Colm Murphy as I would Willie Mullins and that's just in Ireland.
By:
Paterson92
When: 17 Nov 14 12:54
So you're a multi-millionaire. You walk into a car showroom and have narrowed it down to 3 choices. You can have the Ford (De Bromhead, Meade etc). You can have the Audi (Nicholls, Henderson, Jonjo etc) or you can have the Ferrari (Mullins).

Let's be realistic here, if you're the man with the horse and money do you put in the best hands possible or do you settle for 2nd best?

If anyone believes for one minute Rich Ricci doesn't get a say in where he wants his horses to run you are deluded. Of course Mullins will advise him what he thinks best. And yes that may come across as he would like to avoid another stable star but if you genuinely believe, for example, Vautour will sidestep the Arkle because Un De Sceaux is a potential runner please re-assess your sanity.
By:
Paterson92
When: 17 Nov 14 12:58
Just because the thought of Annie Power running in the Mares Hurdle does not appeal to many (myself included) doesn't mean she is valued any less by her trainer. We don't see her in training. If she was a Champion Hurdle horse she would have ran in it last year. Please don't hit me with "they didn't run her in the CH to avoid The Fly". Who's to say the reason she isn't going chasing is because she didn't school well? NO ONE KNOWS except Willie and connections.
By:
buddeliea
When: 17 Nov 14 16:57
Well Mullins has the best record as a trainer in Ireland in recent years, but I know there are plenty of trainers around capable of getting a horse to reach its full potential.
The way this is going in Ireland with Ricci sending all his horses to 1 trainer just aint good for the sport imo, in the fact that it affects the horses owned by others in his yard.
Thank god for JP and Gigginstown who recognise the qualities of other trainers and spread their horses about,at least then giving us some competition.
If I had enough money to buy a quality horse their is no way I would try and compete with Ricci and send it to Mullins,i would look elsewhere ensuring my horse had the best possible chance of fulfilling its potential and running in the races he should be.
No one in this world can tell me how good UDS is......even his jockey last season was saying he did not know!! And that's purely cos he was not declared for the races that would have told us. Different trainer he would now be exposed as to how good he is........and maybe would be a Churdle winner!!!!! Same can also be said about Annie Power who along with UDS wpuld have run in the Churdle imo, had it not been for the Fly.
I just don't like The politics of this yard at all,its my opinion,it harms my enjoyment of this great sport.
By:
cufcno1
When: 17 Nov 14 17:01
How do you know there is any politics in the yard buddeliea ?
By:
buddeliea
When: 17 Nov 14 17:06
Thought it was pretty clear.
What do you think?
By:
SEATHESTARS....NO1
When: 17 Nov 14 17:36
Maybe its all a smokescreen with the long term plan being a huge Papillon style punt to bankrupt a few bookie chappiesConfused Devil Crazy
By:
maelduin
When: 17 Nov 14 17:42
It is clear to me that WM has been given carte blanche to make decisions on Riccis horses. You just have to look at how AP was campaigned last year running in mickey mouse races across the pond. And when she did run in Ireland they chose the Mares race over the much more valuable World Hurdle, which in hindsight she would have won in a hack canter. It's great to see wealthy owners willing to pour money into the game but when they aspire to only "win any race at Cheltenham" this is bad for spectators who, like buddeliea, appreciate competitive racing. JP on the other hand would have 20 runners in the top races if he could.

Massive conflict of interest in that yard with so many above average horses and it is only going to get worse. imo.
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 17 Nov 14 18:26
The folly of relying on one horse going into a championship race was exposed last year in the champion with The Fly.
By:
cufcno1
When: 17 Nov 14 18:40
The only politics that exist are between punters,if the owners of UN de sceaux are not happy with the way it's been campaigned they should move it,this season Ricci,gigginstown and wylies horses cannot avoid each other for long,ruby going to have to choose between a few,even though he doesn't ride for gigginstown,there is too many but the people that pay the bills continue to send him more horses,as I say it maybe isn't good for the sport but their doesn't look as though any of his owners are bothered,when jp mcmanus has 2 or more in a race with different trainers people complain about that.
By:
buddeliea
When: 17 Nov 14 19:07
There are a lot in the sport that aint bothered,thats a major part of the problem for me.
If you think jockey and trainer are not putting their own interests in front of the horses,thats your perrogative.
I think differently.
I personally would never complain about owner or trainer having any amount of horses in one race,just as long as each horse is there on merit. Better that way for competitiveness within the sport anyway.
We want the best horses in the best races and the right races,who owns or trains them really don't matter to me....watching a race with the right horses does.
By:
buddeliea
When: 17 Nov 14 19:11
Watching MTOY and Jezki in the Churdle was pretty good...would we have seen that had they been owned by Ricci,and trained by Mullins??
By:
SEATHESTARS....NO1
When: 17 Nov 14 19:16
budd you sound to me like a chap who thinks the sport we like to punt on is perfectly straight in every way Silly and there isn't a hint of it being bent in any way shape or form! I can assure you that racing is as bent as it has ever been, and this includes some of the biggest races we see on television!!Whoops

Let the cat out of the bag on that one but if you had the info i got last week about one (which has since ran and won which incidentally was not the info received) even before the 5 day decs and anyone in the world except connections new what was even going to be entered!!

Ok it don't happen quite so much at the very top as harder to disguise with the general public watching on terrestrial tv but i can assure you in my very honest and open opinion, it sure as he!! does!!!Shocked
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