is the new one a dodgepot ?

Needs to be produced later than that, and don't think Aintree suits as well as Cheltenham. Plus I suspect he wasn't fully over his CH run, didn't seem to travel anywhere near as smoothly as normal. Should be done for the season now, nice rest before a crack at the title next year.

I keep saying they should send him chasing

A season of being trained to excel at 2 miles coupled with a hard race lto plus not doing a tap infront made yesterdays run look a lot worse than it was, For me he was never travelling until they came into the straight but being left on his own when taking it up meant he done naff all, Shut up shop for the season now then I suspect its back for another crack at the Champion Hurdle where I'd hope he has a bit more luck in running before going chasing in 2015/2016.

He's not the best hurdler, he doesn't do much in front,(allegedly),he arguably is susceptible to getting a bit outpaced....that's a lot of negatives for a potential champion hurdler to overcome IMO.

doesnt like being in front for long.

His run in the bingham was top class, he made up ground so easily, i think his sectionals were world class.

Maybe that was him on a perfect day and wont ever do it again, clearly he has not done it since.

Champion Hurdles are not won at Aintree in April. Don't overthink this one in my opinion... Horse was below his best over a different trip and track to the Champion and was probably not over his Cheltenham exertions. Strike a line through it and don't find ways to take on a tremendous racehorse.

I've heard the view that he wasn't inconvenienced by Our Conor's fall as much as was made out at Cheltenham and I think that's true to an extent, although I think he probably still would have won the race. The other thing to bear in mind for next season is that the ground will likely be a tad softer for the Champion (this year's was the quickest I've seen in a decade) and that slight bit more emphasis on stamina only enhances his price.

He's a very likely winner next March in my view.

Autocorrect did for me there! "that slight bit more emphasis on stamina only enhances his price, should read 'chance'"

+1 @Arklearkle.

To me, he falls into the same boat as Large Action a few years ago. Either he should go novice chasing, or he can continue never quite winning the Champion Hurdle. He is bred to be a chaser, so I'd vote for the former but connections might hold that a Champion Hurdle place in the hand is better than an Arkle win in the bush. @tomdeane may well be right about the ground next year, and it is at least arguable that he'd have won this year in different circumstances.

Never heard so much rot...The New One WILL win the next 2 Champion hurdles ....FACT!

He will get outpaced and stay on again, same as this year. Not a 2m hurdler

aswell as the horse being a dodgepot,the jockey is too,that horse wont still be hurdling in 2 year,it will be running in the national hunt chase lol

why is this plodder still fav with some firms ???????

You'd be surprised at the number of people who are willing to make excuses for their own mistakes if they get a whiff of a hard luck story. We've all done it. Some of us learn.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think he's a plodder. He had enough tactical speed to go with the horse who nearly won it last season when they met at Christmas in December on a flat track. I just think he'll get outpaced again at the critical stage when they run freely between three out and two out and there aren't many champion hurdlers who have to come from an unpromising position. By two out you want to be sat in the daddy position.

must admit the reason i got on to jezki was because i thought he was unlucky in the supreme,just think the new one is a bit of a thinker,if he had got level with jezki and then hit the front would he have stopped,not that it will get near to faugheen the machine this year !

I like Faugheen a lot but he has to jump downhill a whole lot better than this year because unless he takes it up from a long way out he will be under the pump if he can't jump better at the highest level.

I like and rate TNO, but am convinced Mr Ricci has the winner, just not sure which one.  Only danger for me is UDS if he's still hurdling.  I've said on another thread I believe all last years Favs are much of a muchness and can't see them winning.

^^^ be careful they seemed to have got to the bottom of Jezki ie/ front running tactics

Howdi - They went from the front last time and beat an ageing HF in a 3 runner race.  Not having it.  He certainly won't front run if UDS turns up.

WOULDN'T BE SO SURE, one thing people (including me) discount on here is improvement.

whatever beats jezki wins,and theres only faugheen that can do that,uds might end up in the county hurdle !

Don't see how anyone can knock UDS.  If Mullins had not wanted to protect the fly then I think he'd have won it last year. Supposedly needs cut, so maybe Chelt won't suit, but Tuesday is usually ok.  County Hurdle bizarre thought!!!!

tongue in cheek shockster,dont think it would get near faugheen,struggled to beat gemix in and france,i know gemix came out and won again but ruby aint gonna pick it over faugheen !

UDS beat Gemix over 2.5m.  Nobody can say with certainty how good UDS is over 2m because of Mullins.  Problem is we'll all be guessing again and you can't bet with any confidence.  If UDS were mine he'd be at another stable and jockey booked for the season and have a go.  Faugheen, Vautour and Annie Power look special to me and it's a shame the mare will probably go down the Quevega route.  If all get to Chelt though could quite easily have Champion Hurdler, Arkle and Mare winner for Ricci.  CF could make it 4 and who knows what Novices they have this time.  Smart team that's for sure and all will be entered in 6 races each to keep us guessing!!!!!!

This game is easy.

so easy I don't bet anymore fed up of winning, miss the buzz.

No way is TNO a dodgepot but will never win the CH , but that doesn't make either a poor horse or unbending.