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Money for his other one Valseur Lido. All prices from 25.0 down to 18.5 gone this afternoon.
Wicklow Brave has shortened slightly with some books today too. Something isn't quite right.
More alarming if you have backed Vautour is that Mullins' Wicklow Brave is blue across the board on Oddschecker for the race.
Maybe one could have done better home work than the other ?
I guess because Mullins could just be shuffling his pack. It may be that Vautour isn't injured but heading for the Neptune, which would push Faugheen to the Albert Bartlett?
Backed Vautour at 6's but manage to lay off at 9/2 today. Just glad to get rid of my stake, and will be happy to reinvest it back on him on NRNB if all is well nearer the time.
why faugheen ? 160 down to 34 according to another forum !may be nothing !
Fair enough. Am on Faugheen so hope it isn't a reshuffle.
Vautour is 90s for Neptune and pennies shifts things from 160 to 34 on here...would say the dosh for Wicklow is revealing.
What price was Vatour before Irving got backed after Saturday??
Was shifting between 3.85 and 4.1/4.2 mostly I think Budd.
On 21st and 22nd Feb he was a general 11/4 and 5/2 fav with the bookies. Don't know what price he was on here though.
Market forces would have pushed him out a tad after Irving cut,i would think.
I don't think Vatour backers should be too worried at this stage.
I don't think Vatour backers should be too worried at this stage.
Have to admit that although I don't think Irving really beat anything at the weekend, he did look to have that bit of star quality about him. Vautour is a huge danger if he does turn up (I really hope he does), but I don't know if Vautour will have the gears.
Can't possibly go in on Irving now at his current price, but he looks the most likely winner, but favourites have a dreadful record in this (only five have obliged since 1970).
Can't possibly go in on Irving now at his current price, but he looks the most likely winner, but favourites have a dreadful record in this (only five have obliged since 1970).
Irving looks a flat track horse and as I've said before, ex flat horses have a hideous record in this the last 6yrs
Irving my arse. Won possibly the worst trial you can get for a supreme and is an Aintree horse all day long
I've seen nothing to suggest he's an Aintree horse, he handled Ascot well enough which is a testing track. Just cause he has speed doesn't mean he needs a flat track.
One thing people have overlooked is the fact he has not run LH yet in the UK, even before he got here he ran mostly on RH courses. Might be significant.
One thing people have overlooked is the fact he has not run LH yet in the UK, even before he got here he ran mostly on RH courses. Might be significant.
Ruby probably told someone he's going to ride Wicklow Brave instead of this one.
Gents (& Ladies) Remember PFN has stated along with Wonderful Charm, He see's this as his Cheltenham banker - Take heed & best of luck with bets. Bless up.
Paul Nicholls wouldn't know his arrse from a hole in the ground.....even his owners don't rate him as any kind of a judge.....take heed....
Bally, it's a pretty dangerous to dismiss Iriving as a flat track horse without ever seeing him at HQ. Just because he has ran well on flat tracks, it does not mean he will automatically be poor on one like Cheltenham.
Sorry, just don't rate Irving or who he has beat I'm afraid.
Pumpkin is never bullish about horses so i think it is worth taking notice of.
Irving is a speed horse who will continue to thrive at tracks like Kempton. Whether he stays well enough to win a race like the Supreme is another matter entirely.
SUPREME FAVS FECKING SHOCKING RECORD, NEPTUNE FAVS DO MILES BETTER
I'm all for using trends to find winners, but one I have never understood is looking at the past record of favourites in any given race. I can see that there is a logical reason why horses that have won last time out may perform well, or horses that are of a certain age, or that carry a certain weight, or even horses that have won (or run in) A.N. other race that may tie in to the one being examined.
But the past performance of market principles gives no more logical guidance to what's going to win this year's race than the last ten tosses of a coin give to the next toss.
But the past performance of market principles gives no more logical guidance to what's going to win this year's race than the last ten tosses of a coin give to the next toss.
rends then ^^^^
Wicklow Brave now shorter than Vautour on here. Ruby picked his mount? Surely if it was issues with Vautour his price would have drifted more alarmingly than it has
No way Walsh would have picked Vautour over WB for me, not after the defeat of TTT....he isn't shorter by the way.
For about ten minutes there he was 1/10th of a point shorter :)
Didn't last long
Didn't last long
There doesn't look all that much in their form to me. Vautour got a soft lead under a master tactician last time out. If I got first choice to ride one of the pair, I'd be flipping a coin.
Seems to be some serious straw clutching at the Fav on here.
Done absolutely nothing wrong.
Oh, and stick ya trends up ya ****!!!
Done absolutely nothing wrong.
Oh, and stick ya trends up ya ****!!!
Irving will run out of gas up the hill as the stayers keep going...
Maybe.....but then again.....maybe not.
Hes done nowt but impress me though.
Cant really be much bigger odds, can he??
Hes done nowt but impress me though.
Cant really be much bigger odds, can he??
Same comments used to be made about Hurricane Fly before he got injured before the Supreme. ''He's all speed''
Fact is, until you've seen the horse run at Cheltenham people are just guessing about the hill, and trying to find a reason not to bet him because his price is short. Typical punter mindset really. There are a long list of horses in recent years who got labelled flat track specialists, Sprinter Sacre & Our Conor the two most recent.
Fact is, until you've seen the horse run at Cheltenham people are just guessing about the hill, and trying to find a reason not to bet him because his price is short. Typical punter mindset really. There are a long list of horses in recent years who got labelled flat track specialists, Sprinter Sacre & Our Conor the two most recent.
who labelled our conor a flat track specialist?........just yourself I'd hav thought......
Strictly on form he's not entitled to be shorter than vautour, his popularity is down to visual impression more than the quality of what he's beat
Lol Paulie NoNutts. Is there anyone you haven't been rude to yet?
And quiet a visual impression hes given us.
Not sure who should be fav,hard to say with no form to go on with both horses involved.
Not sure who should be fav,hard to say with no form to go on with both horses involved.
To say its the silly season on here is an understatement, panic stationssssssss.
Its been the same for as many years as I can remember on the run up to the meeting. people posting everytime a horse drifts..its out to 5.5, must be out then !!!!!!!!!!.
Im sure this ,if you dig a little deeper is purely down to Wicklow brave getting a solid word from people connected to the mullins hard on one of the preview nights this week.
RELAX else you wont even make the tapes going up.
Its been the same for as many years as I can remember on the run up to the meeting. people posting everytime a horse drifts..its out to 5.5, must be out then !!!!!!!!!!.
Im sure this ,if you dig a little deeper is purely down to Wicklow brave getting a solid word from people connected to the mullins hard on one of the preview nights this week.
RELAX else you wont even make the tapes going up.
ps its laughable how because irving has won at taunton, ascot and Kempton he is a flat track bully, all speed and no stamina. If you look his flat form alone he s stayed on to beat kasbash bliss , winning over 1m 5f plus and nicholls commenting pre xmas he would stay the Neptune trip.
To be fair Istabraq...Vautour was matched at 25s on Monday
Istabraq,Bang on mate.
Its fairly normal for a fav to be knocked if he aint been backed.
The horse has impressed every run for me,and looks like he will be fine at Cheltenham.
Why would he not be??
Its fairly normal for a fav to be knocked if he aint been backed.
The horse has impressed every run for me,and looks like he will be fine at Cheltenham.
Why would he not be??
25?? Bl00dy hell, wish I had seen that!!
I must go sick from work more often this time of year!!!!
I must go sick from work more often this time of year!!!!
According to someone on twitter who seems to know Patrick Mullins (you never know but he seemed legit) they're all baffled by the massive drift the other day. Said the horse was in its box with not a bother on it and all is fine. Did also say however that champagne fever hasn't been showing them what he can do
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According to someone on twitter who seems to know Patrick Mullins (you never know but he seemed legit) they're all baffled by the massive drift the other day. Said the horse was in its box with not a bother on it and all is fine. Did also say however that champagne fever hasn't been showing them what he can do
Joe Tizzard hasn't hacked into his account has he?
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Add contact | Send message 27 Feb 14 10:03
According to someone on twitter who seems to know Patrick Mullins (you never know but he seemed legit) they're all baffled by the massive drift the other day. Said the horse was in its box with not a bother on it and all is fine. Did also say however that champagne fever hasn't been showing them what he can do
Joe Tizzard hasn't hacked into his account has he?
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