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19 Feb 14
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still cannot get out of my head the way these 2 horses have been prepared for the meeting
faugheen has been prepared for me like he has been trained for the albert bartlett and judging by the way he jumps should go for that race, yet is being brought a full 1/2 mile back in trip after 2 runs at 2m6f and a run at 3miles...yet goes for the 2m4f race when his jumping will be tested to the full...normally you associate horses going up in trip as novices but just don't get how he has been campaigned as he will be coming down in trip 1/2 mile
briar hill on the other side has been prepared like a horse who has been campaigned for the 2m4f race after starting off at the minimum trip and had 2 runs at 2m4f trip, yet will step up a 1/2 mile in trip, yes he looks like he will stay well but it is also an unknown
have been following racing 20 years i just don't get it, in regards these horses and how they have been prepared for the meeting
no vested interest, just interested to know, what others who have followed the game years think about this, as am confused by the preparations and now am quite keen to get them both as thought faugheen had a much better chance in the potato race
not sure i want to be with briar hill whichever race he takes in, however his preparation doesn't lead me to want to back him for the potato race
faugheen has been prepared for me like he has been trained for the albert bartlett and judging by the way he jumps should go for that race, yet is being brought a full 1/2 mile back in trip after 2 runs at 2m6f and a run at 3miles...yet goes for the 2m4f race when his jumping will be tested to the full...normally you associate horses going up in trip as novices but just don't get how he has been campaigned as he will be coming down in trip 1/2 mile
briar hill on the other side has been prepared like a horse who has been campaigned for the 2m4f race after starting off at the minimum trip and had 2 runs at 2m4f trip, yet will step up a 1/2 mile in trip, yes he looks like he will stay well but it is also an unknown
have been following racing 20 years i just don't get it, in regards these horses and how they have been prepared for the meeting
no vested interest, just interested to know, what others who have followed the game years think about this, as am confused by the preparations and now am quite keen to get them both as thought faugheen had a much better chance in the potato race
not sure i want to be with briar hill whichever race he takes in, however his preparation doesn't lead me to want to back him for the potato race
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briar hill is going to be a superstar,do agree he has made a balls up of a lot of things this season !
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Harry,I agree with faugeen, but like you say a novice can be campaigned at a shorter trip then be stepped up in trip.
On breeding Briars should relish the trip. He campaigned Cooldine similarly. Think that was fruitful for you if I remember. |
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cooldine was different as he ran against open horses over 3 miles as a novice hurdler
then the following season started short over fences with the view to stepping up which was clear he would relish this is not the same scenario, as both horses are going into unknown territory hence the opening post |
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Gib, what's you thoughts on Trifolium?
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bad un
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I'm not denying Faugheen's bumper win was special (may even be astonishing) but I couldn't back him at 7/2 for this. Well done if you've got fancy prices, but he's only won a grade 3 over 3miles as a hurdler. Pont Alexandre for connections had much better form before last year's race (grade 1 and grade 2 over 2m4) and we heard similar hype but he got beat.
Hoping Faugheen keeps shortening and makes the market for something else. If he wins I'll just have to get over it. |
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Agreed.on Faugheen is a daft price now and The Tullow Tank will be too streetwise for him.
Pont Alexandre just looked slow last year and Briar Hill looks similar.wouldnt be touchin him at all. Shockin price him |
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To be fair pont Alex had excuses
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pont was hyped as the second coming, they havnt hyped anything this year... lessons learnt maybe
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Briar Hill looks slow heard it all now
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Briar hill would win any of the 3 novice races,you don't win bumpers at Cheltenham in 5 strides if you are slow..come on
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There is a difference to between being slow and just doing enough !
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Potato race
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bumper !
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Totally agree with you Harry Callaghan.Faugheens jumping is very novicy & he hasnt improved it the more hes ran.Like when Geraghty recommended stepping up Bobs Worth to the albert bartlett,so his jumping wouldnt be under as much pressure.I think the 3 mile is Faugheens best chance.Briar Hill looks like he wants a decent pace.Im sure there are plenty of people on here,that thought after he won the champion bumper,picked him out as their supreme horse.Willie knows best? We will see
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To be honest, unless I've got it completely wrong, the horses that Briar Hill beat in the Bumper haven't really done a lot this season.
He beat Azorian "staying on well" by 4 lengths but that horse was beat "easily" by Apache Stronghold. The same horse was hammered 36 lengths by Faugheen. He beat Very Wood by 3 lengths whereas that was beat 7 by the Tank He just looks slow to me and in a Neptune would have very little chance of keeping up with the Tank and Faugheen. Would have to be the 3 miler but the record of champion bumpers suggest they are more suited to a Neptune. Could turn out to be a far better 3m plus chaser than hurdler imo. RSA 2015? |
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Will Faugheen definitely run?
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He's and defo bet top. 3 in this field
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really surprised this thread didn't take off with some more form people contributing...clearly lots on here are on the horse and have no wish to be impartial in regards what is the best race for the horse
wonder if willie has a change of heart and swaps them? |
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Suffered the Mullins heartache before hc, so backed both in the 'win at the Festival' market with Billy's in November last year. Not really bothered if he does switch them!
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I dont care what people say about the bumper for me Briar isnt quick enough and is all stamina the 3 miler for me
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SJ i know why you want briar hill in here... because you know it affects your kings palace bet and faugheen would be a much tougher opponent...we both know that briar hill should take in the easier race which is the neptune imo and put the good horse(faugheen),who has had the albert bartlett preparation, against the other top 3 mile staying novice kings palace |
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Bring Faugheen on mate. Lets see how he handles giving away lengths at each hurdle. Not bothered whoever Mullins brings, has nothing to do with my bet I look at Briar Hill this year and see out and out stayer I maybe wrong but it has nothing to do with my bet mate, and its a pretty weak arguement
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well not really sj as briar hill doesn't look to have the same engine as faugheen...
lets just say for argument sakes, if i was on kings palace, i know the horse that i would want to meet and that horse is briar hill not faugheen...faugheen would make the bet much more fragile, as he would be a legitimate challenger and has also be campaigned the same as kings palace on a serious note...the point you make about faugheens jumping, is why the albert bartlett is the race he should be taking in...hence why they have prepped him how they have, thus not putting pressure on the jumping...the longer race won't put the pressure on it, like the neptune will, only imo of course |
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Its all about opinions mate, as Ricci said they will look at the Neptune cos Faugheen doesnt settle the greatest and I thought he was coming towards the end of his teather over the longer trip last time. I dont think there is a horse as fluent or as quick over hurdles in the novice ranks as Kings Palace so I think even though its over 3 furlongs further Kings Palace will put more of a test on Faugheen's jumping than anything in the Neptune field
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strange that SJ because i thought he was no where near the end of his tether at limerick and all he does is stay...we will just have to disagree as think the other and if faugheen takes in the albert bartlett he will be my biggest bet at the meeting, whereas i don't like him in the neptune even though challengers are thin on the ground, i would sooner kings palace make the market for him
are you worried kings palace hasn't prepped even though he is from the pipe yard? |
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Fair enough mate. Yeah that is a concern and I'm worried about David's record in big races when having a fancied one. I was just really taken with his slickness of jumping when I was at Cheltenham on International day.
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in fact sj have you actually watched the race finish in the limerick race??
at what point did he look like he was coming to the end of his tether, sorry but like to keep people honest...if you could just explain thanks |
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don't get me wrong i like kings palace and he has a near perfect profile for the race...he hasn't beat much but done it well
i have been studying this race for a while as like it and he is a worthy favorite but i am still keen to get him |
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No mate I havent watched the Limerick race just thought I'd sound interesting
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spot on harry Callaghan.....coming to the end of his tether my whole......the horse would have gone round again.....its a million to one sj even watched the race.....
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Faugheen to me look a out and out galloper, he may not hurdle the best but they have had some opportunities to put it right and he will almost certainly travel all over anything else in the race. Could definitely see him improving for better ground.
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Oh hello we got another one, where people have to act like a tw at. It s amazing how pathetic people are when it comes to a difference of a opinion it really is
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Thats to Paulie Walnuts
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this isn't a difference of opinion ya moron.....its you who is acting like a tw at.....emmet mullins couldn't pull it up in limerick.....it went over the line on the bridle.....you didn't watch the race.....and you pretended you did......its as simple as that......there is no difference of opinion.....you my friend sj are a bullshhitter......
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Yeah ok you could really tell what was under the bonnet couldnt you? Such a high quality race run at a true pace. And we can add Bullsh itter moron etc. Very funny, god you're so tough.
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well you could obviously tell what was under the bonnet.....you were able to tell us that he was at the end of his tether......and you were the one trying to be smart with harry Callaghan.....with yer just wanted to sound interesting Shiite.....well I have news for ya......I don't find you interesting in the slightest.....because spoofers don't do it for me.....now good night to ya sj......
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Come on who let Danny Dyer in
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settle down lads no need to turn it into a slagging match
sj i certainly wasn't meaning to sound funny and the race was run at a crawl but i certainly didn't see him even brake sweat that was all and certainly not to the point even to think about saying he was coming to the end of his tether why did you have these thoughts just explain so i can understand your reasoning? paulie let the man explain |