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Howdi
16 Feb 14 13:07
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That you have in your mind for Cheltenham?

11th May 2013 - Punchestown - Faugheen beating Josses Hill by 22 lengths in a National Hunt Flat race.   Shocked (nearly won the tolworth!)

(NB/ Also like Captain Cutter beating of Kings Palace in a flat race too & Red Sherlocks subsequent beating of Captain Cutter)
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Report sintonian February 16, 2014 1:12 PM GMT
I like to compare like for like so comparing bumper form with hurdles form just doesn't do it for me.

Calipto's novice hurdle form from Newbury has worked out very well.

Call me biased but Many Clouds novice chase debut, and 3rd chase run, have both worked out well.
Report Howdi February 16, 2014 1:17 PM GMT
Just what does it for you please, not commenting on the post above....
Report sintonian February 16, 2014 1:20 PM GMT
Like for like form Howdi. Two races stand out for me but I have backed them both so!!
Report Howdi February 16, 2014 1:21 PM GMT
HappyGood lad.
Report wellchief February 16, 2014 1:22 PM GMT
Would have to be Wonderful Charm just going down to Oscar Whisky giving lumps of weight.  Oscar and Taquin have won a couple of races since, so I'd say Wonderful Charm is still a decent price for the Jewson, especially if it dries up.
Report Howdi February 16, 2014 1:22 PM GMT
This thread if we keep it short and sweet , will also help bring us all up to speed and may allow us to become aware of form we were not aware of etc.......
Report Howdi February 16, 2014 1:23 PM GMT
Nice one chief.....more more...
Report sintonian February 16, 2014 1:27 PM GMT
would actually be good to put them all in some small eachway multiples.

I think Vautour's first or second run has worked out pretty well too?
Report Howdi February 16, 2014 1:28 PM GMT
^^^ good idea but if anyone wins a million please remember it was me and sint who started this Plain
Report CVByrne February 16, 2014 1:57 PM GMT
Hurricane Fly beating rampant Triumph winner Our Conor. Everything was there for him to lose, he had a troubled prep, he made a mistake at the last and was headed yet he still found more gears and won despite giving his rival 2lbs to boot. Jezki in the field represents a line to the Supreme form from last season too.

Of all the races run this season, that was the best piece of form given the circumstances. For me anyway.


I also likd Vautour & Ballycasey both beating grade 1 winners in a grade 1 on their latest starts. Smart form that.


What's odd is I can't think of any real standout bit of form in England. Confused I'd say King George but Cue Card needs better ground than that to show his best and Al Ferof is showing the form is nothing special really.
Report Arklearkle February 16, 2014 2:03 PM GMT
Last Installment's last run.
Report GAZO February 16, 2014 2:06 PM GMT
would agree with hurricane fly with the only slight doubt being got a nagging feeling that our conor has been aimed at one race all season(but then so could hurricane fly) and in england possibly irving after the betfair hurdle
Report gutfeeling February 16, 2014 2:10 PM GMT
Wicklow Brave beating of Western Boy giving him 10lbs looks good in relation to how it made Vautour pull out all the stops at levels.
Report CVByrne February 16, 2014 2:26 PM GMT
I find is hilarious that people think Our Conor has been aimed at only one race and Hurricane Fly hasn't. It's utter nonsense. If you are going for a 3rd Champion Hurdle with a horse who probably won't get another chance to win it you are clearly aiming to peak at one race.
Report seary February 16, 2014 10:43 PM GMT
Kings palace romp in mid December at cheltenham grade 2 novice hurdle...most visually impressive performance of a novice i have seen in the uk and across the water this season
Report Haemolysis February 16, 2014 11:20 PM GMT
I was impressed by O'Faolains Boy yesterday. Can't understand why it was still 20s earlier today for the RSA. So I had some!
Report Ballydoyle February 16, 2014 11:30 PM GMT
CV Byrne you are obsessed with Hurricane Fly man.lol....think if he loses you'll need a trip to A&E!! seriously erm Bobs Worth in Lexus just whizzed away with ease as did Silvi from Cue Card in King George.
Report ThunderRoad February 17, 2014 12:22 PM GMT
Last Instalment in the Lexus. 175 performance IMO. Will beat Bobs Worth if the ground is soft
Report buddeliea February 17, 2014 12:40 PM GMT
Last Instalment trouncing First Lieutenant.
Should be Gold Cup fav on that!!
Report Ballydoyle February 17, 2014 12:49 PM GMT
Will be his 3rd race in 3 months next month after the long lay off
Report alleged22 February 17, 2014 12:50 PM GMT
it has to be the consistency of the spin coming from the mullins yard for me Wink

a career in politics beckons should he ever retire from training racehorses....
Report sintonian February 17, 2014 12:53 PM GMT
Last Instalment is shaping up to be a place lay on Good to Soft, imo. Loves the Heavy stuff.
Report buddeliea February 17, 2014 12:54 PM GMT
Laugh
Report buddeliea February 17, 2014 12:56 PM GMT
laughing at alleged there
Report duffy February 17, 2014 1:11 PM GMT
Definitely Last Instalment.
Report sintonian February 17, 2014 1:52 PM GMT
Forgive me for being a muppet here but are we not talking about races where the form has actually been franked? Nothing from the Last Instalment race has run since. If we are going strictly on the form book then other races looks more favourable in terms of this exercise.
Report duffy February 17, 2014 2:00 PM GMT
Nothing has run since but if you take First Lieutenant as a yardstick compared to Bobs Worth's performance against him, and particularly remember the very favourable reaction to BW's performance in beating him a length and a half and then compare that to what LI did to him, then it is impressive.
Report ThunderRoad February 17, 2014 2:15 PM GMT
Tidal Bay's an even more reliable yardstick IMO. Has run in some hot handicaps off marks in the 160's and gone very close. Last Instalment's performance has to be 175+ on that basis
Report sintonian February 17, 2014 2:15 PM GMT
Yeah but you've not mentioned the ground there Duffy.
Report duffy February 17, 2014 2:24 PM GMT
Fair enough, soft/heavy, but we'll just have to look at the race in isolation as like you said, nothings come out since, and when something does it may be quicker ground....but agree his performance may well be exaggerated because of the ground....I'll change the thread title a bit....

What is the single most visually impressive piece of form in recent months?Wink
Report differentdrum February 17, 2014 2:27 PM GMT
Last Instalment. It was great to see a horse attacking a race rather than just picking up the pieces. 

Plenty of people want to knock him but I suspect plenty of those who do didn't have enough faith to take the big odds NRNB.

It is still quite a big 'if' about him running in the Gold Cup but if he does I suspect he won't be waving a white flag as readily as those in behind Bob's Worth last year.

There really haven't been that many 'big' performances this year, particularly in the novice divisions, hence the open nature of many of the markets.
Report duffy February 17, 2014 2:29 PM GMT
It was the best piece of jumping all season by a mile in my book.
Report oufies pal February 17, 2014 2:42 PM GMT
Thought Pearl Castle looked very good at Donny last month. Admittedly getting loads of weight from older rivals he opened an 18 length gap over the remainder (finished close enough to each other)from the last home.Visually very impressive and entered there again on Wednesday next in a four year old only contest. Trained by John Quinn so no worries on the trainer score.
Report duffy February 17, 2014 2:44 PM GMT
vautour would probably be up there, cosy defeat of a twice grade 1 winner.
Report ThunderRoad February 17, 2014 3:09 PM GMT
Sire De Grugu's latest win got to be an honourable mention too, even if the race did fall into his hands. If the ground's soft on CC day, he'll push Spinter Sacre very close.
Report ThunderRoad February 17, 2014 3:09 PM GMT
*y
Report Tractor February 17, 2014 5:36 PM GMT
Zamdy Man beating Un Temps Pour Tout at Haydock could be right up there come the end of Cheltenham, any one agree??
Report chief dan February 17, 2014 6:34 PM GMT
Wicklow brave form looks mint to me the beating of western boy giving him lumps of weight agree with u on that gutfeeling all the way and im on at nice double figures got to go close to his stablemate.
Report corruptus in extremus February 17, 2014 8:06 PM GMT
Has to be Vautours beating of the tullow tank.Like Carl Lewis actually beating Ben Johnson!!
Report duffy February 17, 2014 8:10 PM GMT
^
I was thinking the same but couldn't think of a better way of putting it as that thoughGrin
Report duffy February 17, 2014 8:11 PM GMT
No wonder the trainer looked flabbergasted it got beat
Report dj876 February 17, 2014 8:19 PM GMT
LaughWasn't there one athlete in the 1988 100m final who never tested positive.

It could be a very appropriate analogy.
Report GI MAC February 17, 2014 8:36 PM GMT
Tractor • February 17, 2014 5:36 PM GMT
Zamdy Man beating Un Temps Pour Tout at Haydock could be right up there come the end of Cheltenham, any one agree??


I agree completely, but your talking about a novice hurdler that isn't trained by Mullins, as such you'll get no one agreeing.
Report Can't Catch Me February 17, 2014 8:49 PM GMT
Ballycasey last time out for me. Beating 2 horses who had previously won a Grade 1 in another Grade 1 on only his second run of the season. Still looks big at 5/1 to me.
Report buddeliea February 17, 2014 9:08 PM GMT
Mentioned Zamdy Man on the Supreme thread,so I shall agree Mac.
Report buddeliea February 17, 2014 9:08 PM GMT
Yep,Ballycasey is a good one catch.
Report illinois_riki February 17, 2014 9:51 PM GMT
Count me in the Zamby Man camp as well
Report Ballydoyle February 17, 2014 10:33 PM GMT
I didn't think you were allowed to talk about a novice not trained by PinocchioShocked
Report gutfeeling February 17, 2014 10:37 PM GMT
Go on then one more.

Fox Norton failing by a Neck to give Royal Irish Hussar 8lbs and made a hash of the last.

RIH went on to win his next 2 races one Listed & one a Grade 2 where he had Guitar Pete just under 4 lengths behind off level weights (Won a Grade 2 & Grade 1 since).

RIH was 3rd to Fox Norton when they met again beaten 16 lengths with Broughton beaten a head in 2nd in receipt of 7lbs.

Broughton won nto by 5 lengths from Clarcam getting 5lbs, Clarcam was 7 lengths behind Guitar Pete off levels.

Only danger to Fox Norton is his stablemate Le Rocher imo but Abbyssial also comes into the mix on his French form.
Report Eeternaloptimist February 18, 2014 12:59 AM GMT
Wasn't there one athlete in the 1988 100m final who never tested positive.

Funnily enough I've just finished the book The Dirtiest Race In History about that final. Only Calvin Smith who was promoted to third and the Brazilian Da Silva (I think) who finished sixth never tested positive. When interviewed for the book Smith was very scathing about that whole time in sprinting and justifiably in my view feels that he was robbed of being recognised for the great sprinter that he was.
Report cufcno1 February 18, 2014 2:45 AM GMT
I thought it was Raymond Stewart !
Report civej February 18, 2014 10:55 AM GMT
Even though he was second thought it was a good performance by Dodging Bullets in the game spirit on ground that wouldn't suit.
Report kpf February 18, 2014 11:09 AM GMT
Warwick Result
11 Jan 2014

« 3:00 »  Neptune Investment Management Novices' Hurdle (Registered As Leamington Novices' Hurdle) (Grade 2) .
(Class 1) (5yo+) 2m5f Heavy 11 hdles
£15,734.95, £5,950.45, £3,016.20, £1,539.45, £810.7

«  1     Deputy Dan (IRE) 5/2    6 11-4  Oliver Sherwood  132 * *   
Leighton Aspell
 
Held up, headway approaching 7th, led 3 out, clear before next, ridden when mistake last, stayed on (op 10/3)
 


 
«  2   9   Masters Hill (IRE) 9/1   8 11-4  Colin Tizzard  135 * *   
Joe Tizzard
 
Tracked leader to 4th, remained handy, went 2nd again 7th, led next, headed 3 out, soon ridden, stayed on same pace from next (op 8/1 tchd 10/1)
 


 
«  3   7   Splash Of Ginge 16/1   6 11-4  Nigel Twiston-Davies  135 * *  » 
Sam Twiston-Davies
 
Held up, headway 7th, ridden to chase winner approaching 2 out until weakened before last (op 14/1)

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Deputy Dan (IRE)
Race record
6-y-o (11Jun08 b g) 
Westerner    (9.0f) — Louisas Dream (IRE)  (Supreme Leader  (12.4f))
Trainer Oliver Sherwood 

Video 11Jan14    War 21Hy  C1NvHG2 15K  11-4  1/8 (9L Masters Hill 11-4) 5/2  Leighton Aspell  132 *  * 
 
Video 28Dec13    Chp 20Hy  C4MdH 3K  11-0  1/15 (19L Ceasar Milan 11-0) 10/11F  Leighton Aspell  122 *  * 
 
Video 08Dec13    War 21GS  C4MdH 3K  11-0  2/18 (1L Champagne West 11-0) 5/2J  Leighton Aspell  — *   
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Champagne West (IRE)
Race record
6-y-o (06May08 b g) 
Westerner    (9.0f) — Wyndham Sweetmarie (IRE)  (Mister Lord (USA)  (12.0f))
Trainer Philip Hobbs   

Video 18Jan14    Asc 22Hy  C3NvH 5K  11-12  1/7 (4L Knock House 11-8) 11/8F  Richard Johnson  132 *  * 
 
Video 26Dec13    Wcn 22Hy  C2HcH 11K  10-2  1/8 (10L Old Tricks 10-0) 6/4F  Tom O'Brien  123 *  * 
 
Video 08Dec13    War 21GS  C4MdH 3K  11-0  1/18 (1L Deputy Dan 11-0) 3/1  Richard Johnson  — *  * 
 
Video 22Nov13    Asc 20GS  C3MdH 5K  11-0  2/9 (10L Beat That 11-0) 3/1  Richard Johnson   
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Beat That not seen since December ( Ground ?)

IF it does dry out a bit will go close by my guesstimation
Report grade 1 February 18, 2014 11:34 AM GMT
Royal Boy beating Josses Hill could be this years TNO/AFC.

It is linked form anyway.
Report Howdi February 18, 2014 4:10 PM GMT
sintonian  • February 17, 2014 1:52 PM GMT 


Forgive me for being a muppet here but are we not talking about races where the form has actually been franked? Nothing from the Last Instalment race has run since. If we are going strictly on the form book then other races looks more favourable in terms of this exercise.  SPOT ON
Report Govan Spoonful February 18, 2014 5:05 PM GMT
Agree re Zamdy Man and have backed this at 33/1. But, despite contraction in price elsewhere, have noticed his name removed from a number of lists, including on Betfair. Anyone know why this might be?
Report marychain1 February 18, 2014 5:28 PM GMT
Zamdy Man removed from the Supreme betting with a few firms. Confused
Report gnashersblackpool February 19, 2014 12:57 AM GMT
took out at recent confirmation stage.
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