Cheltenham Festival
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15 Jan 14
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What do we reckon then?
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On the subject of this, when are the handicap initial entries out?
Not exactly curve ball, but Ted Veale for the Grand Annual looks a likely one |
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Martin Pipe HC Hurdle - EDEYMI (again)
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Alaivan County Hurdle
Regal Encore Coral Cup |
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Our Vinnie being saved for the 4 miler (not a handicap I know).....anyone know anything about this horse?
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Backed it in Albert Bartlett last seaon brought down, good novice hudle form. Last run in novice chase finished lame behind Champagne Fever,likes it soft. Could be interesting gambling stable.
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think king could have some lurking in handicaps as they havent been running, obviously none of them will have ideal preps for a festival handicap but still could do well in some of them
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I think King will surprise us all with a couple good winners this year, who knows, one or two might even be in the handicaps!
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I for one will defo be keeping a close eye on that stable during that special week of March!
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I won't be keeping a close eye on King but will be willing to excuse horses getting stuck in the mud over the winter (assuming it stops raining by March).
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McCain is plotting something with Lexi's Boy
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Regal Encore - county hurdle??
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Coral cup
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Milord coral cup,Holywell jolt,and gutted alaivan finished placed today
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ned buntaline, grand annual
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We are all guessers on here really, know one really knows whats been plotted up until the price on a particular horse has already gone and low and behold everyone knows then it's all about trying to get on at whatever top price is morning of that race and hoping one or two bookies inflates it a little as a special.
Look at Salubrious/Holywell last year, ok some shrewdies might have got 12s or bigger in the weeks leading up to the race, but most of us had to settle for half those odds. |
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Red Sherlock - Martin Pipe. They really need to be clever on where it runs next (talked about trials day) but given its opposition so far it must be really hard for an handicapper to get a grip on its form and what its beaten. One of or the best novice in Pipe's yard imo, could be anything and will be having my money wherever it runs.
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Wyck Hill Festival Handicap Chase. Rated 133. Beat Katenko 4 lengths off 136 just over a year ago.
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STS that's not true. You can spot horses who are being plotted. Especially JP horses as we know he targets the handicaps at the Festival and the handbrake job is applied to many of his runners.
Take the recent example of Cause of Causes for the Paddy Power Chase at Leopardstown. I explained why he looked totally plotted for the race. He was 25/1 and went off 6/1. Thread like this is good for pooling people's knowledge. You can then take a look at the horses yourself and make up your own mind. Regal Encore is a total plot. His last run was very evident of that imo. I'd expect a run next month then Coral Cup or Martin Pipe at festival. Alaivan is another possible for those two races, think 2m of County Hurdle on quick ground might be too sharp. |
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CUFC - correct me if I'm wrong but I think Alaivan needed a good performance otherwise would be unlikely to get into the County Hurdle. Rated 130 before that, lowest rated horse in last year's County for example was rated 132. IMO, I thought it was perfectly executed, a good second to go up a few lbs and should sneak in towards the bottom of the weights.
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Yeah i knew that, i have spotted a couple in the past myself and got on at decent prices, but never for the festival, they were MTOY and Recession Proof, both for the betfair hdl but i thought perhaps at the time that both had been made too obvious and so only had very small bets on both just in case i was right, in both occasions i was right. I religiously read this forum every year for the festival, always good debate and there are always people out there more knowledgeable in the sport we all love. I've had some of my biggest winners from reading this forum and perfected my approach to the festival with my betting too.
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Sorry joist thought he would be high enough already,not so long back since it wa racing the fly
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As BHA Handicapper-in-chief Phil Smith put it: in order to qualify for the Festival, they need at least one race with the handbrake off.
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Bless The Wings
If the King stable get over their current afflictions, this one is on a good mark and showed enough over a trip and on ground that would have stretched his stamina, that he's one to note on drcent ground. The Byrne Plate is a b1tch to decipher but that looks the logical target. Makari Dunno if this counts as a plot horse, as it advertised it's claims nicely at Doncaster before Christmas and is trained by Nicky Henderson, but looks County Hurdle bound and should be of interest Shooters Wood Something to prove after his disappointing return at Ascot before Christmas - or a Cheltenham specialist, capable of running to RPR 144-plus who will come on for that return, who is trained by Paul Nicholls and being plotted up for the Grand Annual? |
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Anay Turge in the Grand Annual?
Entered up in a novice hurdle tomorrow after being PU and U in last two starts after winning cosily at Cheltenham before. Chelt record reads: 1-5-1, and unbeaten over fences at Cheltenham. He's been gradually progressing from a lowly mark, while he isn't one who obviously has plenty to hide from the handicapper, his Cheltenham win recently offers some promise: Eastlake is now rated 148, Renard 144. Anay Turge's chase mark is currently 134. He'll be touch and go to get into the Grand Annual with that, though Parsnip Pete snuck in off the same mark last year. Anay Turge wouldn't have got in in 2012, but he would in 2011, so very marginal. No prices available yet. |
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I will put up Holywell. I fancied him before today and now like the look of him for Festival chase. On todays race I think he will get a mark of 142. 16/1 at the moment and probably worth the risk.
I also like that he has got his handicap mark over shorter which gives scope for an improved performance. |
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Be interested to see how Jetson runs today, with The Pertemps in mind, no way he's as bad as he's been showing this season.
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Could be very interesting this year if the weather continues but then switches in March, we'll have spent the whole of this season virtually racing on softish ground(and last years festival) then if it does switch then there could be some very well handicapped horses around
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Up and Go in the novice handicap chase
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Thought Up and Go would be something special this year but he has been abysmal to put it mildly. If they can fix whatevers been ailing him he's now very very well handicapped.
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I remember up and go was a well touted hurdler and people were on last year at fancy prices but had a setback.For some reason,the festival brings lots of the same horses out that are fancied year on year yet don't produce,if you find one let me know
 For years by the way the one i was always given the wink for was Aachen....im still skint |
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McCain actually bypassed Chelt as he thought he wasn't ready for the hustle and bustle and he wanted to be patient with him. Ran a stinker then at Aintree when over the top according to McCain and that form has continued this season. As I said his performances have been abysmal esp the run at Bangor when very well backed. Most trainers you would fancy to get him right and land a nice handicap off this mark but so many of McCains deteriorate and never come back, he's not a trainer I'm fond of at all but just personal opinion.
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I agree, he'll churn out the winners regular enough but where are the top class horses too, that just hasn't happened.
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i think handicaps are out of the question for red sherlock now lol - looks ripe for neptune now
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Honeyball states that Regal Encore's target is probably the Imperial Cup - and then think about a festival handicap under a penalty if he wins and there is a bonus on offer.
Let's see what transpires. |
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Not long left now,can we have any aditions,recaps,rethinks just to top up before the big 4 days are upon us.
Cheers 180 |
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Thomas Edison, Quiscover Fontaine, Wrong Turn are possibilities
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I like Thomas Edison too. Although I backed him last year as well and he ended up not running. Another of Martins that is interesting is Savello for the Grand Annual especially if they don't run Ted veale. Cost over £200,000 after won it's first two hurdles. Most of it's runs are on soft and heavy ground and Martin has said he only runs if yielding or better ground so potential to improve if we get decent ground.
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Son of Flicka has to be added as well at 33/1. Sure most people would be kicking themselves if he won again. Off the same mark won off 2 years ago in same race at 16/1. Sent chasing last few races to protect hurdle mark (from going up or down) and has run some credible races compared to form before his 1st and 2nds at previous festivals. 10 yo so likely on the downgrade and now at a small stable but good ground and Cheltenham has previously shown a completely different horse to the one seen over winter.
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Attaglance has been carefully campaigned.
Nothing wrong with his Paddy Power run, forgive a stinker next time, spring horse, drying ground, course form etc etc. Aged 8 I'd have been more interested in the Plate for him despite his novice status however exchange says the Tuesday. Hard to say if 20s is a price, but I don't think he will be any bigger and its not impossible a better judge than me will put him up nearer the time. |