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Should hear something more definite soon I hope, and really hope we see SS at the festival in march.
Although having said that, there is an argument that the race will be a lot more competitive,and from a betting point of view a lot more interest I would think. |
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Will it be any more competitive? Sire de Grugy has demolished all the English rivals so what has Ireland got? Benefficient?
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I think it possible we may have a few that would otherwise have been in different races,so if SS were declared a non runner then the market could look a lot different as it does now.
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sage - Sire de Grugy is 1-1 versus Captain Conan and guess what track Captain Conan beat him over………plus SDG has never won at CHeltenham. Plenty of potential in this race if SS doesn't get there for QMCC.
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Am I the only person on here not that impressed with SDG??
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think Arvika is different class to SDG to be honest,just a tad concerned about left handed for him,but ran well yesterday considering he did not make the pace like he normally likes to.
Mullins horses a tad in and out as well at the moment,and confident hes a better 2 miler than Benefficient on his day. |
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As you say, we all see it differently. I accept that Sire has not shown a liking for Cheltenham to date but he has improved by at least 20lb in the last 3 months and is learning all the time.
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Can't have Arvika left handed, so therefore SDG would have to be fancied unless Cue Card was rerouted. I would much rather see Sprinter Sacre fit and well and running though.
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Cue Card drops back and takes it?
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anyone have any news on flemenstars wellbeing ? a.martin said after benificents win yesterday "it was a **** up sending beneficent to wetherby ,he should never have been there ,12 days before the Charlie hall he worked at Tipperary and what flemenstar did to him was unreal .
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buddeliea 28 Dec 13 10:10
Am I the only person on here not that impressed with SDG?? No. |
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Yes, interesting to see how things pan out, but in the possible absence of a fully fit Sprinter Sacre, not out of the question that Cue Card drops back in trip, given his apparent stamina limitations might mean he'd be destined for a place at best in the Gold Cup.
Surely, if connections feel he's not up to winning the Blue Riband event, then the Queen Mother would be more prestigious than a second Ryanair win? |
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No doubt a Champion Chase is more prestigious than a Ryanair. However I think Cue Card is way more likely to win a Ryanair than a Champion Chase.
The Sprinter Sacre thing really makes this race a lot more exciting. Had he come out the other day and laughed at his rivals as he was expected to, then the build-up would have been boring. If he does run, then it's likely he'll be going straight there, in which case we'll all be relying on the comments and quotes of Henderson and BJG. It's all guesswork if it comes to that but at the same time, it's sure to divide opinion. |
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It would be far more exciting if SS does run, not through the race itself, but in seeing what price he actually goes off at...the market for that race would be fascinating...basically, what price the ticker starts going haywire again mid race?
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Taking SS out of the equation, I think SDG is very good on soft or Heavy. Good going come March, I couldn't have him at double figures. I too think Cue Card would take the beating. Would Mullins think of entering Champagne Fever if he is such a good thing for the Arkle and Arvika not liking Chelt or even Felix Yonger. That way he keeps them apart. Maybe talking rubbish but who knows?
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Having backed SDG at 16s after his tingle creek win i am inclined to agree with the above poster, he is a 20ib improved horse on any ground with soft in the description. I can't see how we will ever see Sprinter Sacre again, and fully expect him to be out for the season. A dicky ticker on a horse as valuable as he is their sure to put him away and come back next season.
Cue Card is bound to go for this if SS is out surely, he would take a lot of beating, he still has the pace and the stamina for 2 miles round cheltenham! He would just bound out make it a test jump for fun and get them all at it! Flemenstar would also be an interesting one, but does he come back as good as ever? How bad is the injury? |
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The seven-year-old was found to be suffering from an irregular heartbeat after being pulled up by Barry Geraghty on his seasonal return in Friday's Desert Orchid Chase at Kempton.
Sprinter Sacre returned to Henderson's Seven Barrows base on Friday night but was sent to Newmarket for assessment by Celia Marr, a specialist in equine internal medicine and cardiology, on Saturday. Marr confirmed the original diagnosis of atrial fibrillation and decided to give the horse some time to see if his heartbeat regulated itself, which Henderson reports it has now done. He said on Sunday morning: "There's been quite a big turnaround since yesterday and it's all for the good. "Quite soon after I put out an update yesterday afternoon, I spoke to Celia and she told me he had done what we hoped he would do and the problem had righted itself and it has stayed that way overnight. "It's all correct this morning and we have sent a box to pick him up and he will be back home later today. Profiles N J Henderson Sprinter Sacre (FR) "The good thing is the fact it has self-righted means we don't have to go into the process of using any drugs. Quinidine is the normal solution for this kind of problem but it's a risky drug and it's good news we don't have to go down that route." Henderson revealed further tests are planned for later this week and underlined the problem is a very recent development. "The plan now is to bring him home and give him a couple of quiet days before starting light exercise," he said. "Celia wants to come down to Seven Barrows on Friday and canter him using an ECG, so we will see how that goes. "It will be nice to have him back at home, in his own box and eating his own food. He's much more comfortable in his usual environment. "The important thing is that it is only a very recent onset (of the problem). Barry was so quick in picking up something was wrong and in pulling him up at Kempton." It had been suggested the problem might rule out Sprinter Sacre for the season, but Henderson will take his time before making any plans for his seven-time Grade One winner. "It would be speculation [to say he won't run again this season]. We're talking about cantering him again on Friday so you wouldn't rule out training him again this season," he said. "It's got to be a step at a time with him and we will obviously know more in the coming weeks as he is back in light exercise and we will continue to monitor him." |
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Hidden Cyclone would be interesting if dropped back to this trip. I know the Ryanair is more likely but if SS was doubtful then this race is there for the taking. I like SDG but agree with some others that Cheltenham isn't his best track. Hidden Cyclone ran a great first race at Cheltenham in the Paddy Power really taking to the fences. If the ground were on the slower side I think he'd be better going for this than the Ryanair which (bar a fit SS)is likely to have better class of entries. Shark Hanlon has always really rated this horse and his recent run in Ireland over the shorter trip was decent.
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If SS didn't turn up then I would be concentrating on cue card and captain conan.....if they run.......practically anything could turn up in this race if SS dosen't now though.....it's fascinating trying to try and 2nd guess what's going to happen with the Ryanair now too because SS is going to have a knock on effect all round.
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If Third Intention is any sort of yardstick , Captain Conan would need a fence start to give Cue Card any sort of race.
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That's true but he wouldn't need to give him any start if cue card doesn't run and captain conan does now would he!!!
If SS doesn't run then hendo will want a representative in there and that could very well be Conan, we know that he's effective over 2 miles and has a question mark over him at 2.4 at cheltenham, he got beat by SDG of course but his performance through the race was a very impressive one as he travelled like the best horse, he stopped as if shot turning in and being his first run when the stables runners were behaving as if they needed the race he must be given another chance...he's a better horse than SDG for me all day long, I couldn't care less what the ratings say in this instance....only opinion though ![]() |
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This is the race that has the most ante-post juice in it for me.
As all have said, it all depends on whether Sprinter Sacre turns up. Then it depends on how well you've swotted up on the effects of an irregular heartbeat in equine athletes (I guess it beats the Formbook for sh1ts n' giggles!) You think SS is a certainty no matter what? Okay so what do you do - wait for doom-laden edicts to emerge from Henderson's yard and go 'Oi Oi!! Binocular Mark Two!' then lump on when his price takes a walk two weeks before Cheltenham. Or do you get stuck in now, hope he turns up well on the day and then doesn't empty out after a mile? You think it's odds against him turning up. Odss against him turning up the same horse as he was and odds against him turning up, turning up the same horse as he was and then being able to see out his race, with Kempton still fresh in your mind. I'm amazed Faugheen has a thread to himself with postings going into the hundreds but this one hasn't, given all the uncertainty surrounding SS. I've backed Benefficient e/w FWIW. |
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Difficult to see this being a Binocular part two imo. Very hard to back right now, equally very hard to lay it too. If ruled out tomorrow, because he is Sprinter Sacre and it has happened in the past, he wont drift out to a silly price, yes he will be left in the market but difficult to see him going out to 3 figs after betfair put him to the bottom of their market. My guess would be someone might put something up in the 20s but wont get much bigger till at least the end of Feb.
Remember Kicking King, supposedly out for the season, straight out to 1000, miraculous recovery, wins the blue riband, Binocular was similar but even i backed at 150s after having been 1000s, so the clues were kind of there as he did move in and out a fair few times in the market before word came that he was after all a runner. SS imo is different, same yard as binoc, happened again, doubts around him, why isnt he a 7s-12s poke now? Hes evs to 6/4 |
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Kauto Star, he was evs there abouts when rumours emerged about his poss well being not that great and he drifted to 7s on here straight away. Loads of scenarios.
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STS hoping Sprinter dont make it, so his £2 e/w on SDG comes in, imo SDG better going right handed re form in book. But wont make any difference if Sprinter shows on day.
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Come on he is the best horse we have seen in a long time - surely we won't him there
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Correct Howdi and odds against at present, maybe like picking up money off the floor?
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Why is it that my comment above says that i dont want him to be there? What kind of ridiculous shiute is that to say? Jealous of my 16/1 SDG? Who cares if its £2 or £200 you do make me pee myself stevo1 sometimes pal lol.
I come on, make a comment about the current market and then come back with 3 replies to read and get that abuse! FWIW though, SDG is a 20ib better horse with soft in the going descrition, i personally for that reason cannot have him out of the 3, might need there to only be 4 runners mind you though ! But at least i got the price about a horse with a better than 80% chance of turning up! |
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Rather you than me stevo1, 50/50 losing me doe, not the way i would like to go on punting!
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Sorry if upset you STS not sure i would call it abuse? Anyway good luck with your bet on SDG as you state you have a good price if Sprinter dont show.
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Racing Post @RacingPost 4m
Sprinter Sacre's heart rate monitored by vet Celia Marr as "perfectly normal" after cantering at Nicky Henderson's Seven Barrows yard... ...Marr, a specialist in equine internal medicine, added: "I'm pleased, these are the results I'd have been hoping to see." Story to follow. Still could nt take evens myself at all till i saw him under some pressure ![]() |
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There is no way I could bet SS at levels Ante Post. I personally don't think we will see him again this season. I think Cue card will go for the GC when they should take the Ryanair again. SDG is an improved horse this season but Cheltenham is not his course. Maybe a speculative bet on Arvika NRNB at 10s but it's 48 on BF, which is a concern.
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if sprinter don't turn up then beneficent could be aimed at the cc and as a festival winner who holds a few verdicts over arvika could offer a bit of value ! plenty of twists and turns to come the market is all over the place !
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2 - 2 currently with AL & Benefficient and are both prices about 10s nrnb
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Are the entries for the Gold Cup and the Champion Chase being made today?
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yep
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If there is ever a no bet race for me, this is the one.
You are taking a hopeful punt on Sprinter's wellbeing (whether you are a layer or a backer). I see no point in backing some of the others because if Sprinter turns up he wins. If you back Sprinter, you are not guaranteed a run. I love antepost, but this is definitely one for the day. If you back Sire De Grugy, Beneficient etc and Sprinter turns up, I'm sure on the day you'll regret putting those on. Then again, if you back them and he doesn't turn up, you're in a great position; but in my opinion is it worth the risk, when there are about 25 other races to choose from? |
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yeah willie nothing between them beneficent has won at the festival ,hard to get involved at 10snrnb because if ss turns up they will be bigger . leaving this race alone till nearer the day
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Totally agree with the last 2 posts.
Leave alone till the day |