My tent or yours...Champion hurdle...no no no

I think that's a reasonable post. Hope it doesn't happen but only be reassured when he isn't supplemented.

....or maybe supplement Jezki (530/1) for the Champion and keep MTOY for the Supreme?

cracking post cyclops 12:05

your not nicky henderson are you???

Have only read the thread briefly.But why are people saying because Jp has a strong fancy for the supreme in Jezki that he wont want to run MTOY there too??

Was only too happy to run Binocular and Captain Cee Bee in the Supreme when both were leading fancies not so long ago.

Because MTOY has just shown form that many would consider is right up to Champion Hurdle standard in a very good yardstick race for such contenders. Binocular was a juvenile and Captain Cee Bee less fancied. Neither looked at all like Champion Hurdle candidates that particular season.

He was 10-1 for the Supreme before last weekend, now all of a sudden he's got a chance in the champion?come on as per we're getting a little carried away here, how many times does it have to happen before people learn?

This is different because the argument about him being chucked in amongst the battle hardened top 2 milers and being found out would also apply to a lesser extent granted to the race last week-end, he was just as much a novice in that race too and in beating cotton mill giving 7lbs he was beating a horse that not too long ago was the lively outsider for the CH itself, I don't subscribe to not running him in the CH myself, if he's good enough he's old/experienced enough, he travels well through his races, and it might just give him that extra valuable piece of experience under his belt for the future.

I agree that this year is not the right year and he will gain as much experience in a Supreme - bigger field probably and the same Festival experience as it were.

Accepting however that my judgement is biased as I have him for Supreme. Not saying he would win a CH but I agree with Duffy that he'd be a threat to all and so slightly decrease the chance of my pick.

my judgement is biased too, i backed him for the CH

Absolutely, duffy. Thrashed the pricewise selection for the Champion and, in a field that's losing its principals, well worth a try, many may feel. I wouldn't back him myself, but reckon many would.

So we're going on Cotton Mill's first run of the year and Swing Bowler. Struggling a bit there

No we are going off the mark he ran off,and the mark he ran to.which on figures would be good enough to win most Champion hurdles

162 good enough to win most champion hurdles?

Can i ask all those that dont think MTOY can win the Champion..... Did Rock on Ruby not win a Newbury handicap hurdle on his way to the Champion last season?

didnt ROR win a championship race at the festival prior to that?

Yeah. He wasn't a novice and had more experience as a result.

2ND TO LAST INSTALMENT S/A HURDLE

fair to say the experience gained running as a novice stood him in good stead then as he won CH  next season

AM GOING TO BED CANT WAIT ANY LONGER FOR USE TO GET FIRST LIEUTENANT AS THE HORSE THAT BEAT ROCK ON RUBY MUST BE LATE FOR USE AS WELL

LOOK .. he is not going for the Champion. the fact that Darlan is out isnt relevant. MTOY has no experience of the pace of race needed to contest a champion and if you think he will travel on the bridle in either event .. fair enough. the pace of the Championship event is something else. He wont .. at this stage be asked to try this and should he .... he is still 10 lb shy of the standard required .. the fact that some have long prices for the CH isn't relevant .. he will be looked after .his supreme price is resonable .. considering the amount of top class prospects that have got beaten on the first ...it will shorten

Brooksielad.
Timeform rerated him 168,their average winner for supreme is 150,their average rating for champion hurdle winner in the last 10 years is 166.

2 many beers and as i remember he was chinned on the line but still the winner in my mind, soz for the late reply GL

I thought you were talking OR ratings not timeform.

Connections of My Tent Or Yours have not ruled out supplementing the impressive Betfair Hurdle winner for the Stan James Champion Hurdle.

While the William Hill Supreme Novices' Hurdle that kicks off the first day of the Cheltenham Festival remains the likely target, there is a possibility My Tent Or Yours could switch to the big race on the card.

My Tent Or Yours is hot favourite for the Supreme, but the Nicky Henderson-trained gelding staked a strong claim to be added to the Champion field when making a mockery of what should have been a highly-competitive race for the valuable handicap hurdle at Newbury.

Profiles My Tent Or Yours (IRE)
The victory came just days after owner JP McManus lost his main Champion Hurdle hope Darlan in a fatal fall at Doncaster.

"Nicky was delighted with the way he won and how he came out of the race," McManus' racing manager Frank Berry told At The Races.

"I'd be surprised if he doesn't go down the novice route, but you never know what might happen."

Brooksielad.
Yeh sorry should have stated timeform

Something worth considering is the lack of an obvious front runner in the Champion Hudle. A lack of pace certainly played into MTOY hands on Saturday and given a likely smaller field in the CH compared to the Supreme, coupled with a more sedate pace I can see why  they're keeping an open mind

Something worth considering is the lack of an obvious front runner in the Champion Hudle. A lack of pace certainly played into MTOY hands on Saturday and given a likely smaller field in the CH compared to the Supreme, coupled with a more sedate pace I can see why  they're keeping an open mind

But he has a tendency to pull and so a faster pace will actually help him imo. Plus in a larger field it is easier to cover up a horse an get him settled quicker

tHOSES HOLDING 20-1 ANTE POST VOUCHERS LAY OFF NOW

all depends how Binocular is, I get the feeling connections are quite keen on him this year. Noticed lots of money queuing up for him as well yesterday.

Still think he's long odds on to run in Supreme.

jasey 13 Feb 13 18:45 Joined: 22 Jul 08 | Topic/replies: 427 | Blogger: jasey's blog
No we are going off the mark he ran off,and the mark he ran to.which on figures would be good enough to win most Champion hurdles

What champion hurdles would they be then? I put very little faith into Timeform ratings

MTOY quoted @ 4/1 with a run by a few bookies for the Champion Hurdle.

If it did go for the Champion, what price would you reckon on the day?

7-1 I reckon

I really hope they go the novice route here. Of course I'm bias as I hold a ticket for him in the Supreme (also have Binocular in the CH as it happens), but I'd have thought the recent Darlan experience should have tempered any thoughts of chucking a novice into a championship race like this.

I thought 7's but then I thought that once committed to the race there would be a big swathe of support for him building all the way up to the race.....no bigger than 5's for me.

I just think we're going way overboard on the back of one run, although a very good one

market now telling us the champion is favourite...cannot help themselves this crew

What makes you say that harry?

if you think its goin for the champion get on now its 12-1 on here, imo still supreme bound

Binocular will get one more crack with AP on board, MTOY champion hurdle winner next year :)

Interested to know why the Darlan incident should stop a novice entering the CH, according to regular fries. Darlan wasnt a novice at the time. To me it tells you to strike while the iron is hot, because you never know what will happen with horses.Alderluck.

Agree re the Darlan incident. His pulling shows his inexperience though and for that reason he may be better running against novices, rather than battle hardened horses at this stage of his career.

No point running in CH if it is to help his development for next year.

Or let him run in a field of 10 or so with plenty of room or a field of 24 novices scrimaging and fighting to get round.....sensible

the way he pulls 20 of the 24 will be behind him anyway after 2 furlongs

The Betfair showed he can cope with a big field and helped him get more settled behind horses. He was relatively near the front end and his pace will help get out of a pocket

His jumping is not good enough yet to run in a champion hurdle it's very awkward at times if you watch all of his hurdle starts you'll see this, on his first run against Taquin he demolishes one without even realising it. At the business end Hurricane fly and co are going to be winging hurdles, I'd be worried in the champion hurdle at that stage.

BigAdz


Interested to know why the Darlan incident should stop a novice entering the CH, according to regular fries. Darlan wasnt a novice at the time. To me it tells you to strike while the iron is hot, because you never know what will happen with horses.Alderluck.




Yes, that's the flipside of the argument.

It is important to do the right thing for the horse (ie. a novice should be kept to novice company).
If the unthinkable should happen in his novice campaign at least you console yourself that you did the right thing.

Attempting to "strike while the iron is hot" is to the detriment of the horses long term well-being. MTOY needs to improve his jumping before he takes his chance at the top level and he will get the required experience this season before being targeted at races like the Champion Hurdle.

roobuck 15 Feb 13 05:30 Joined: 16 Aug 10 | Topic/replies: 2,780 | Blogger: roobuck's blog
What makes you say that harry?


horse now trading at a strong 13 was 20 not 4 days ago

If he's good enough then run him, the supreme will have similar exertions put upon him, after the two races have been run there will be a split screen put up by RUK no doubt pointing out how at some points of the two races the supreme field were going quicker!!, the battle hardened thing!!, if he's simply better than the rest, that might not even matter....people talk about the prospect of him running in the CH as if it's consigning him to his doom, it's a competitive horse race much like the other one where for certain he will be a better horse than certainly most of the field.

Another thing to consider is the trainers championship, we've had much talk of nicholl's trying to feather his own bed on this issue, well, if grandouet doesn't look like he'll be able to provide a strong challenge, then MTOY'S it may be decided could provide Hendo with a viable alternative.

Hendo pretty much said he runs in the Supreme if he can be believed on ruk

duffy I can accept that the supreme will place similar exertions on him and from an objective perprective don't have an issue as such with the horse running.

But for you information races tend to be won at the end of the race and that's where the experience of 'battle hardened' horses will count, especially if a rival has been too keen during the race. Against other novices with similar experience this may have less effect.

Don't get wrong if he's a confirmed runner I'd be playing him at 13 on here, that's a fantastic price. That's why with that price still being 5 points bigger than the nearest book I don't think the price relates to being any decision being reached - more likely those with a price taking a quick profit or having a cover position

good man Nicky...now stick to your word....we can rely on him to do so cant we !!!!!!

I wouldn't expect him to say any different tbh, perhaps jp hasn't gotten enough on jezki yet hoping that MTOY's runs in the champion, those comments would be par for the course and the market is over-reacting.

roo

But for you(R) information races tend to be won at the end of the race and that's where the experience of 'battle hardened' horses will count

thanks for pointing that out I knew I was going wrong somewhere

I know sarcasm lowest form of wit and all that.

Lost count of the number of places I'm going wrong

Cheers Roo

Presumably everyone who likes to take Henderson at face value are rushing out to back Binocular?

Nicky Henderson all but ruled out supplementing exciting Betfair Hurdle winner My Tent Or Yours for the Champion Hurdle on Friday.

The six-year-old turned the Newbury race into a procession on Saturday and is as short as 7-2 with Coral to win the Champion Hurdle.

The Seven Barrows handler had a long telephone discussion yesterday with owner JP McManus, who is in America, and Henderson highlighted that time is on the horse’s side.

“I would have thought the obvious route was the Supreme,” Henderson told Racing UK. “Novices have won the Champion Hurdle before. I think we will take the recognised path and I would have thought that if he was that good he can win the Champion Hurdle some other day.”

My Tent Or Yours is a best-priced 2-1 for the Supreme.

McManus and Henderson lost Darlan in action at Doncaster last week, but the Irish owner also has Binocular, the 2010 Champion hurdler, entered in the feature race on the opening day of the Festival next month.

“Sadly you have to look at it in the context that we haven’t got Darlan but remember we have Binocular,” Henderson added. “He will work tomorrow, and I changed my mind nearly three times about going to Wincanton.

“I’d rather he enjoyed everything. He jumped four hurdles this morning and was electric. He gets forgotten about sometimes.”

He also said that they must keep an open mind about it though.

You could argue as to why don't they categorically rule out the champion hurdle then, what's stopping them from definitely committing him to the supreme now?

What is ruling them out is Grandouet. He is the big chance in the Champion Hurdle, tent or no tent.

I agree graham, so my real point is that the inexperience and the too soon tag isn't the issue at all about having a horse in there with a chance.

Inexperience comes into  play, as done ethics given what happened to Darlan. The Supreme is an easier race. A horse that lacks experience is more likely to make an error against horses who are pinging them at speed. Take a look at Hurricane fly last time. By the way, i think MTOY isn't a stick on for the novices race anyway. He might not get that sort of ground, and i very much doubt he will egt that sort of pace.

If Binocular shows them he's as good as he was in last years champion Mtoy will go for the supreme. If Bino is not enjoying himself and shows them nothing... wait for the Bino out for season, tent supplemented.

AP compares Tent to David Beckham. eeeeeeee

Feb 15, 2013 -- 9:18PM, Brooksielad wrote:

AP compares Tent to David Beckham. eeeeeeee

A posing one trick pony then !!!

The reason they don't rule anything out is that it would be crazy to do so! Why put yourself into a corner before you have to?

Imagine if Hurricane Fly gets injured in the next few days. That's a reason to keep the Champion as a possibility. It might even be a reason to supplement him (how much is it?) knowing full well that he goes for the Supreme unless something silly happens in the build-up to the Champion.

Brookielad, Binocular is working very well, ignore his last run. Id be really astonished if MTYT runs in champion .

so bino is working very well,so i suppose AP would have got of Darlan and rode Bino,i think not

My Tent confirmed for Supreme as is River Maigue


From Henderson media day

Racing Post ‏@RacingPost
My Tent Or Yours definitely goes for the Supreme at Cheltenham Festival, says Henderson. 'Sadness is Darlan isn't there as well.'

Does anybody know why the Supreme suspended on here?

great news for MTOY backers, just praying he doesnt step on any pebbles in next 3 weeks now!

Entrie stage today roobuck

No I think its tomorrow according to rules on here. Same date as Neptune, and that's still up?

If the rules on here are wrong so be it.

Entries today, released tomorrow

Today is Monday not Tuesday

U are correct roo

Tomorro entries and out Wed i fink

A few been taken out today tho ....

Was never in doubt.
JP knows,AP knows,Hendo knows,heck we all know!!
Binocular has a far better chance in the CHurdle than this novice..

Now that's settled. It's a definite. Supreme it is. Henderson said so. Time to pile on for the Champion.

this is what he said as posted in the Irishracing.com

"He's very good and he goes for the Supreme," said Henderson.

"I have been speaking to AP (Tony McCoy), Frank Berry (racing manager) and JP McManus (owner) and that is the plan, I believe."

I like the i believe bit get out clause for when jp changes his mind

I've been scratching my head over this ever since they confirmed him for the supreme, I immediately checked the market on here expecting him to be trading at about 5.5 for the champion, but to my surprise he's trading at 50's for the champion!!! I do have this right don't I, he has been confirmed for the supreme hasn't he?

He's been confirmed for the Supreme, but that can change.

Interesting that several firms put him in as second-fav for the CH with a run.

Older viewers have been down this path many times before. Plenty of big races - Champion Hurdle included - have been won by supposed non runners.

If you are backing him for the Supreme, make sure its NRNB. And don't lay silly prices on the CH market, just in case.

Speculation around in places that MTOY may be switched to the Champion Hurdle maybe because there is confidence around Jezki. Personally think that would be a mistake. Make A Stand did it all those years ago (Betfair/Champion double).

What do you make of that?

Source ?

thats funny, jezki drifting on here...

http://news.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/horse-racing/cheltenham/jezki-may-tempt-mcmanus-to-run-my-tent-or-yours-in-champion-hurdle_140801.html

not a great source I admit but there you go, it always happens two weeks before, speculation, will-they-won't-theys

prolly nothing to it

Story dated 11 Feb. Hasn't this been superseded by subsequent comments?

Forty

prolly

Has anyone else heard the rumours that if one of JP's was switching (say if Binocular got injured) for any reason it would be Jezki rather than MTOY?

No

Was talk at a preview tonight that Nicholls and Tanya Stephenson believed MTOY may still run in the Champion

I'm sure Binoculars medication has been carefully handled this time, no chance of him coming out and forcing their hand........

Certainly looking weaker on the supreme market as the hours tick by! 5k wanting to lay last night, still there now jumps a leap to 3.05 to which 111 wants a shot at the action
And has hovered between 50-75 in champ last couple days. Am tempted to have a go at champ, at 50, be a nice little trade!
Have laid off my entire bet on supreme now fully green on both mtoy and jezki!

2/1 is about right seeing as there is 7/4 available on the high street.

McCoy confirms he rides MTOY. On having the option of two horses - "This was not a hard choice as I think he is a really good horse."

Lovely horse. I wish he were mine.