Ballycasey

Where did anyone say he was light years behind those two? As far as I've heard he's always been very highly regarded.

I have absolutely no idea about whether someone has suggested he is highly regarded or not. Fact is he is being supported against two horses in the same ownership who have form light years ahead of his own. I see that as a strange move, you obviously don't, fair enough.

There's no evidence to suggest he's beign backed against them. Infact he isn't, as they will not all go for the same race. Ponte will probably be an Albertt Bartlett type, and maybe Champagne Fever won't go ?

That's exactly what I am saying - you would only support this horse if you had a suggestion that one of the others wasn't turning up. It was only a couple of days ago that Mullins gave an upbeat report on Champagne Fever.

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http://www.irishracing.com/news?prid=66121&headline=Ballycasey-impresses-at-Thurles-

Didn't the assembled hacks think about asking the questions I have posed above? Ballycasey may be progressing 'lovely' but it is of far more significance what is happening with Champagne Fever. If he isn't going to make Cheltenham it is a front page story. Based on what he has achieved 8/1 is a ridiculous price for Ballycasey. He won comfortably today but it wasn't a great field and the second pulled too hard and fluffed the last.

Champagne Fever will need another run (and probably win) before they even consider Cheltenham

Ballycasey may be progressing 'lovely' but it is of far more significance what is happening with Champagne Fever. If he isn't going to make Cheltenham it is a front page story. Based on what he has achieved 8/1 is a ridiculous price for Ballycasey. He won comfortably today but it wasn't a great field and the second pulled too hard and fluffed the last.

3/3

Wants better ground as per WPM today and dint settle at all thru the race i thought, was always a bit keen, jumped brilliantly too i thought


Beat Our Vinnie on debut in a bumper givin him 6lbs where OV already had 2 decent runs under his belt, OV 3rd fav for this

Drifted like a barge on hurdles debut as they felt the ground was way too soft for him but duly hacked up

And today easily disposed of Bonisland givin him weight(had every chance turnin in and was impressively disposed of i thought) and his form ties in with recent Grade 2 hurdle winners Rule the World and Busty Brown

Seems its defo being aimed at this, think there is every reason he should b near the top of the market personally but tis a game of opinions

The second easily disposed of Bonisland as well - that horse is not progressive and with Love Rory a non-stayer today's race didn't take much winning.

Anyway for me that is a side issue the question revolves around the significant recent money for Ballycasey and whether you honestly believe the owners would run two in either the Neptune or Albert Bartlett. All this coming so soon after the report on Champagne Fever - yes we know he has to prove his well being but WE have heard nothing to suggest that isn't going to happen.

CF entered in Deloitte - if he runs and wins the surely Neptune is next on the cards

When were the entries for the Deloitte made? - and where can they be viewed? Thanks

Champagne Fever has shaped like he wants a stiffer test of stamina for some time but doubt he wants to go three miles at Cheltenham; I'd have thought Ballycasey is far the likelier of the pair to turn up for the Albert Bartlett (even if Champagne puts his disappointment behind him beforehand, which is not a given).

27C Deloitte Novice H'dle (Grade 1)  €52,000.00   
( 2m 2f - 5yo+ )[MAX 30] FIRST FORFEIT: 04-FEB-13
SUPPLEMENTARY ENTRY: 04-FEB-13
NHFrm
-713- 1   Bright New Dawn  (DTHughes) - . ..... 11,10
112-3 2   Champagne Fever(148) (WPMullins) 11,10
-11f- 3   Don Cossack (GER)  (GElliott) - . ...... 11,10
  7f- 4   Legal Exit  (JHCulloty) - . .................... 11,10
  12- 5   Melodic Rendezvous (GB)  (JScott(in GB)) - . ................... 11,10
-141- 6   Moscow Mannon  (BRHamilton) - . .... 11,10
2131- 7   Mozoltov (GB)  (WPMullins) - ............ 11,10
8   Red Devil Boys  (JFerguson (in GB)) 11,10
112u- 9   Seefood(137) (DTHughes) - . ............. 11,10
3192- 10   Ted Veale(130) (AJMartin) - ............... 11,10
2-12- 11   Waaheb (USA)  (DKWeld) - . .............. 11,10
12   Whispering Gallery (GB)  (JFerguson (in GB)) - . 11,10
1215- 13   Ally Cascade(137) (NMeade) - . ........ 11,09
1134- 14   Bonisland (GB)(133) (GElliott) - . ....... 11,09
15   Buthelezi (USA)  (JFerguson (in GB)) - .......................... 11,09
131-1 16   Cause Of Causes (USA)(152) (GElliott) - . .................. 11,09
214-2 17   Minsk(140) (DTHughes) - . ................. 11,09
1129- 18   New Year's Eve (GB)  (JFerguson (inGB)) - .......................... 11,09
  11- 19   Pont Alexandre (GER)  (WPMullins)  11,09
  14- 20   Some Article  (TMullins) - . ................. 11,09
  51- 21   Talbot Road  (ALTMoore) - . .............. 11,09
  12- 22   Umpact (FR)  (AJMartin) - . ................ 11,09
  11- 23   Un Atout (FR)  (WPMullins) - ............. 11,09
3414- 24   Wingtips (FR)(140) (AJMartin) - . ....... 11,09
   1- 25   Twigline (FR)  (WPMullins) - . ............ 11,03
2131- 26   Zuzka(140) (WPMullins) - . ................. 11,03
1111- 27   Annie Power  (WPMullins) - . ............. 11,02
1213- 28   Glens Melody  (WPMullins) - ............. 11,02

I don't think you can have CF on yours minds at the moment. Not until he runs again.

Its too late for some of us

Needs to win nto to travel

I nearly backed him with Billies offer.

What annoys me with WPM is when one of his gets beat there is always an excuse. With CF sure he was beaten too far for it to be his real running but then he got beat before that aswell. It reminds me of Zaidpour when he looked the 2ndcoming in the first half of his novice season and then tailed off. Same as Midnight Game last season.

We'll see as CF does look a tool on his Bumper performances.

My Neptune is hideous at the moment as only two horses I've backed are The Don and CF.

See what you mean Sint regarding excuses but his bumper form gets stronger with every passing weekend. Proven he handles cheltenham and the same course as Neptune so it would certainly be on my agenda to take him, even if not winning. He'd have to be in top two though and clear of rest

Had a look through the previous winners of this race (in particular Cooldine and Bishopsfurze for WPM) and the path they took after winning this race here in Thurles.

Next a Listed, then the Michael Purcell Memorial Novice H´dle Grade 2 back here then off to Fairyhouse/Punchestown ! (and back to Thurles in November to win their Beginners S´chase).

"Horses for courses" they say ! (Would be nice to dream he can be better than these two)

Bishopsfurze
30Nov12 Thu 22SH 4y+ H(10K) 11-0[4/1] 1st of 11 2L to Folsom Blue (IRE) D J Casey 
08May12 Pun 25S 5y+ HcapCh(45K) 11-7[11/2] 8th of 14 30.50L behind Caduceus (IRE) R Walsh 139
08Apr12 Fai 20G 5y+ NovCh(90K) 11-10[16/1] 5th of 7 18.75L behind Flemenstar (IRE) P Townend 135
16Feb12 Clo 16S 5y+ S(11K) 11-12[4/9f] 1st of 5 ¾L to Action Master (GB) R Walsh 
19Jan12 Thu 20S 5y+ NovCh(17K) 11-12[4/6f] fell in race won by Quietly Fancied (IRE) R Walsh 
24Nov11 Thu 18H 4y+ NovCh(12K) 11-12[7/4] 1st of 16 ½L to Jim Will Fix It (IRE) R Walsh 
04May11 Pun 24G 4y+ H(40K) 11-6[5/1Jf] 7th of 16 16.00L behind Askanna (IRE) R Walsh 139
24Feb11 Thu 20SH 5y+ H(37K) 11-6[6/4f] 4th of 8 9.00L behind Hidden Cyclone (IRE) P Townend 
03Feb11 Clo 22SH 4y+ H(25K) 11-9[9/10f] 1st of 8 7L to Skorcher (IRE) P Townend 
13Jan11 Thu 22SH 5y+ H(14K) 11-5[11/10f] 1st of 6 8L to Start Me Up (IRE) P Townend 
02Jan11 Naa 20S 5y+ H 11-3[6/4f] 5th of 6 41.75L behind Gagewell Flyer (IRE) P Townend 
12Dec10 Cor 16S 4-5y MdnHdl(11K) 11-12[11/10f] 1st of 14 3L to Changing Times (IRE) P Townend 
22Apr10 Pun 16G 4-7y NHF(12K) 12-0[11/4f] 1st of 23 1 ¼L to Go All The Way (IRE) Mr P W Mullins 
17Mar10 Che 16G 4-6y NHF(60K) 11-5[20/1] 7th of 24 18.94L behind Cue Card (GB) Paul Townend 
24Feb10 Fai 16H 4-7y NHF(7K) 11-13[8/11f] 1st of 11 5L to Foildubh (IRE) Mr P W Mullins

Cooldine
31Jul12 Gal 22S 5y+ S(23K) 11-3[12/1] 11th of 11 85.28L behind Pride Of the Artic (IRE) P Townend 
13May12 Kil 21G 5y+ S(15K) 11-2[5/1] 6th of 6 50.25L behind Shot From The Hip (GER) R Walsh 145
28Apr12 Pun 24H 5y+ S(10K) 11-7[11/2] p.u. in race won by Outlaw Pete (IRE) Mr P W Mullins 145
02Feb12 Clo 20H 5y+ S(15K) 11-6[11/4] 4th of 5 12.00L behind Leanne (IRE) Mr P W Mullins 147
28Dec11 Leo 24G 5y+ S(150K) 11-10[20/1] 9th of 9 75.50L behind Synchronised (IRE) D J Casey 149
11Dec11 Pun 20H 5y+ S(80K) 11-10[8/1] 3rd of 7 34.00L behind Rubi Light (FR) R Walsh 151
03Nov11 Thu 22SH 5y+ S(27K) 11-0[6/4f] 2nd of 4 12L behind Joncol (IRE) P Townend 154
28Dec10 Leo 24H 5y+ S(150K) 11-10[7/2Jf] p.u. in race won by Pandorama (IRE) P Townend 158
15Dec10 Fai 20S 5y+ S(85K) 11-10[9/4f] 5th of 8 3.50L behind Tranquil Sea (IRE) P Townend 160
21Apr10 Pun 25G 5y+ S(225K) 11-10[9/2] 3rd of 11 5.50L behind Planet of Sound (GB) P Townend 161
19Mar10 Che 26GS 5y+ S(475K) 11-10[10/1] 5th of 11 30.81L behind Imperial Commander (IRE) Paul Townend 
07Feb10 Leo 24S 5y+ S(180K) 11-10[5/2] 2nd of 7 nk behind Joncol (IRE) R Walsh 160
29Dec09 Leo 24Y 5y+ S(150K) 11-10[10/3f] p.u. in race won by What A Friend (GB) P Townend 160
29Apr09 Pun 25SH 5y+ S(275K)  non-runner (lung infection)  163
28Apr09 Pun 25S 5y+ NovCh(90K) 11-10[5/6f] 4th of 7 19.88L behind Rare Bob (IRE) R Walsh 163
11Mar09 Che 24GS 5y+ NovCh(170K) 11-4[9/4f] 1st of 15 16L to Horner Woods (IRE) R Walsh 
15Feb09 Leo 21S 5y+ NovCh(100K) 11-10[9/4Jf] 1st of 7 2 ½L to Forpadydeplasterer (IRE) R Walsh 
26Dec08 Leo 17S 4y+ NovCh(120K) 11-12[13/2] 3rd of 7 8.06L behind Follow The Plan (IRE) P Townend 
20Nov08 Thu 18S 4y+ NovCh(10K) 11-9[6/4f] 1st of 16 19L to Moskova (IRE) P Townend 
24Apr08 Pun 24G 4y+ H(200K) 11-10[6/1] 4th of 12 11.00L behind Blazing Bailey (GB) R Walsh 
23Mar08 Fai 20YS 4y+ H(48K) 11-10[6/4f] 1st of 9 ¾L to Chasing Cars (IRE) R Walsh 
06Mar08 Thu 20Y 5y+ H(45K) 11-6[6/4f] 1st of 14 11L to Ballycullen Boy (IRE) R Walsh 
07Feb08 Clo 22H 4y+ H(40K) 11-12[8/11f] 1st of 6 35+L to The Flying Dustman (IRE) R Walsh 
17Jan08 Thu 22 5y+ H(16K) 11-10[5/4Jf] 1st of 16 22L to Minella For Food (IRE) R Walsh 
03Jan08 Thu 18 6y+ MdnHdl(8K) 11-12[8/13f] 1st of 17 6L to Storm Breaker (IRE) R Walsh 
26Dec07 Lim 19SH 5y MdnHdl(13K) 11-12[11/10f] 4th of 16 3.50L behind Golden Kite (IRE) B J Geraghty 
16Dec07 Cor 16S 4-5y MdnHdl(13K) 11-12[3/1Jf] 3rd of 22 13.00L behind Baltiman (IRE) D J Casey 
25Apr07 Pun 16G 4-7y NHF(110K) 11-13[20/1] 12th of 19 14.50L behind Mick The Man (IRE) Ms K Walsh 
14Mar07 Che 16G 4-6y NHF(50K) 11-5[50/1] 7th of 24 5.75L behind Cork All Star (IRE) D J Condon 
24Feb07 Fai 16H 4-6y NHF(10K) 11-8[7/4f] 1st of 13 nk to Ballyverane Oscar (IRE) Ms K Walsh 
12Nov06 Tem S Point to Point [ ] 1st of 9 Tiernan's Terror (GB)

Djakadam and Tarla's tumbles earlier on, may have contributed to the layers offering 9/10 about Ballycasey, but there were plenty willing to go in again and that grey was backed into 4/6.
The very promising youngster never gave his supporters any cause for concern and he eventually eclipsed Milborough to the tune of three lengths.

Mullins remarked: "He's progressing lovely. I'm happy he handled the ground as I thought it might be too soft.
"I don't know if he'll run again between now and Cheltenham. He'll be entered in the Albert Bartlett and the Neptune and he's the type of horse that would prefer better ground."

Ballycasey is 8/1 (from 10/1) for the Albert Bartlett with Stanley James. They reportedly laid three decent bets about him on Tuesday and they now claim that he is a big loser in the race for their firm.

IF you believe Stanley then you need your head examined !



BACK Champagne Fever NOW for the Deloitte AND also the Albert Bartlett (imvho of course).

Sint
I nearly backed him with Billies offer.

What was that offer ? tia.




p.s.
(Sorry obviously no betting yet for the Deloitte)

Albert Bartlett?? If champagne fever goes to chelt then surely it's the Neptune?

*correction

BACKING Champagne Fever for the Deloitte AND also the Neptune 2m5f (Tks Tory)

Catch Me ifyoucan     17 Jan 13 21:18 
Sint
I nearly backed him with Billies offer.

What was that offer ? tia.




p.s.
(Sorry obviously no betting yet for the Deloitte)


Was 10/1 to win any race a while back

BJG 23 Nov 12 18:06
10/1 with Hills to win any race is the bet - dont b backin him for a particular race as he could end up in any of the 3 imo
10s more than fair to wins any race

sintonian 21 Nov 12 12:56 This really is some horse. So tempted to take 12/1 for the Neptune.

Ya, saw that on the CF thread, tks.

Anyone else think the Deloitte would be a strange target for Champagne Fever? We already know he is a Grade 1 horse. Given what happened last time if he is okay surely it would make much better sense to look for a confidence booster and then on to the Neptune.

Oh well.....just have to wait now for Uncle Willie to announce that Pont Alexandre has had a little set back and will not be travelling across the pond