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I thought I'd start this thread for anyone who gets quotes off bookies for long term bets for Cheltenham / National Hunt races. If you can put them here when you get the quote we can keep them all in the one place.
I tend to email bookies around this time of year, for one or two fun bets for next year. I tend to focus on the current year's novices that I rate very highly and I think they can progress on to bigger and better things next year. There's also those that are currently good hurdlers that look like they might have a chasing career, you normally get good prices for the Arkle and RSA.
I got the inspiration from Masterminded and Alvarado (I think) who were on Sprinter at big prices for his Arkle win, because they'd backed him before the Supreme.
Prices available for next year:
Simonsig: 10/1 King George
Simonsig: 20/1 Gold Cup
Grandouet: 33/1 Arkle
Oscar Whisky: 16/1 Arkle
Oscar Whisky: 16/1 Jewson
The thread is only a bit of fun, because you'd never go in big on a race 15 months away, but it's nice knowing you might have some tasty prices if you can second guess trainers plans.
I tend to email bookies around this time of year, for one or two fun bets for next year. I tend to focus on the current year's novices that I rate very highly and I think they can progress on to bigger and better things next year. There's also those that are currently good hurdlers that look like they might have a chasing career, you normally get good prices for the Arkle and RSA.
I got the inspiration from Masterminded and Alvarado (I think) who were on Sprinter at big prices for his Arkle win, because they'd backed him before the Supreme.
Prices available for next year:
Simonsig: 10/1 King George
Simonsig: 20/1 Gold Cup
Grandouet: 33/1 Arkle
Oscar Whisky: 16/1 Arkle
Oscar Whisky: 16/1 Jewson
The thread is only a bit of fun, because you'd never go in big on a race 15 months away, but it's nice knowing you might have some tasty prices if you can second guess trainers plans.
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That 10/1 on Simonsig will be 9/4 when he scoots in at Cheltenham.
B365 mate.
You have to email them for a price because they're not available on their site. I had to take 8's with Paddy Power because 365 wouldn't give me a price, but when one of my mates emailled them (nostaw_01 on here) they offered him 10's.
All the others I asked (VC, Laddies, Hills and Stan James) wouldn't give me a price.
You have to email them for a price because they're not available on their site. I had to take 8's with Paddy Power because 365 wouldn't give me a price, but when one of my mates emailled them (nostaw_01 on here) they offered him 10's.
All the others I asked (VC, Laddies, Hills and Stan James) wouldn't give me a price.
365 just offered me 10/1 for Oscar Whisky for the Arkle and Jewson.
FYI, the 16's above is with Paddy Power for those who may be interested.
FYI, the 16's above is with Paddy Power for those who may be interested.
Oscar Whisky wont be winning the Arkle or Jewson mate
Oscars Well has a squeak though
Oscars Well has a squeak though
The New One: 25/1 RSA
Cheers Duffy
FFT, no worries; I don't think Oscar Whsiky or Oscars Well will be winning either this year
Cheers Duffy
FFT, no worries; I don't think Oscar Whsiky or Oscars Well will be winning either this year
I would love a price on Simonsig for the KG and the GC. As long as Sprinter is still around simonsig will be stepped up to 3m 3m2. I bet they aint ballsy enough to price him up as a special bet.
Those are actual prices on Simonsig above Smart Predator.
Just need to email 365 for the 10's and Paddy Power for the Gold Cup and they'll give you those prices.
None of them will ever be on their sites. only way to get them is to email and ask for a price.
I should charge a fee for this service!
Just need to email 365 for the 10's and Paddy Power for the Gold Cup and they'll give you those prices.
None of them will ever be on their sites. only way to get them is to email and ask for a price.
I should charge a fee for this service!
Only just noticed this thread, WC, I thought I'd follow your lead and e-mail them about him....i've also tried PP as you advised and am waiting to see what they say.
PP are good in my experience with providing a quote via email. Slightly off topic but they gave me 33/1 on Dawn Approach 2,000g/Derby last Autumn.
I've emailed PP,Bet365 for a quote on My Tent Or Yours for the 2014 Champion Hurdle.
Prices given:
Paddy Power 25/1
Bet365 33/1
I'm waiting on an email from Ladbrokes, think they may give me a bigger price because they have been stand out about the horse for a while.
Prices given:
Paddy Power 25/1
Bet365 33/1
I'm waiting on an email from Ladbrokes, think they may give me a bigger price because they have been stand out about the horse for a while.
im thinking next years king george and gold cup will be the battle of the greys al ferof v/s simonsig
quite like that 25-1 about the new one winning next years rsa
quite like that 25-1 about the new one winning next years rsa
Sorry WellChief I meant a double on the KG & GC. I just got an email back from B365 and they quote 50/1 to win both races.
Is it just me, or does that actually seem a decent price for a fun bet?
yeah 50/1 is more than fair if you believe he will step up, lots of other factors though. If Sprinter gets injured they could drop him to two miles. etc
Was from Paddy Power mate.
Also, if anyone is interested in the next King George, all prices are now on Paddy's website, so no need to email them.
http://www.paddypower.com/racing/future-racing/king-george-vi--chase
They offered me 8/1 on Simonsig, but now priced up as 10's. I reckon they read this forum and see 365 went 10's and copied them
Also, if anyone is interested in the next King George, all prices are now on Paddy's website, so no need to email them.
http://www.paddypower.com/racing/future-racing/king-george-vi--chase
They offered me 8/1 on Simonsig, but now priced up as 10's. I reckon they read this forum and see 365 went 10's and copied them
2013 King George (Paddy Power)
Long Run 7/1
Simonsig 10/1
Dynaste 10/1
Flemenstar 16/1
Sir Des Champs 16/1
Champion Court 25/1
Captain Chris 25/1
Long Run 7/1
Simonsig 10/1
Dynaste 10/1
Flemenstar 16/1
Sir Des Champs 16/1
Champion Court 25/1
Captain Chris 25/1
Got this back from Paddy Power this evening,Threw a few in to see how far they'd be willing to go.
Thank you for contacting Paddy Power customer support. I can confirm prices for the selections you have requested as follows:
Cheltenham 2014
Sizing Rio-Arkle – 25/1
Road to Riches-RSA – 25/1
Simonsig-Gold Cup – 16/1
Wonderful Charm-Ryanair Chase – 25/1
Oscars Well-Ryanair Chase – 16/1
I'll be having a bit of Sizing Rio and Simonsig just for fun.
Thank you for contacting Paddy Power customer support. I can confirm prices for the selections you have requested as follows:
Cheltenham 2014
Sizing Rio-Arkle – 25/1
Road to Riches-RSA – 25/1
Simonsig-Gold Cup – 16/1
Wonderful Charm-Ryanair Chase – 25/1
Oscars Well-Ryanair Chase – 16/1
I'll be having a bit of Sizing Rio and Simonsig just for fun.
Very good thread WC. I've actually taken a bit of the 10s Simonsig for the KG long way away but can see that price tumbling in a couple of months. I've just requested a price for a nice Arkle prospect will post it up when I get a reply.
I'd be very interested in Wonderful Charm for the RSA. They are touting him as an outside chance for WH this year so must get 3m
Gutfeeling, I also think that Sizing Rio will be a monster over fences next year.
My only worry is I think they may go down the Jewson route, as they did with Loosen My Load.
My only worry is I think they may go down the Jewson route, as they did with Loosen My Load.
Wonderful Charm is a class act I think. Could easily be another for next years Arkle
As I mentioned somewhere else, wonderful charm does seem a very generous price, even if he is a young one. Wherever he goes ill be following strongly next year, should be right in the arkle mix
Finally Ladbrokes got back to me with a quote for mytentoryours. I've been quoted for the supreme and champion hurdle double 100/1.
MM.... If you fin me asking, who u you get the 33/1 for Un Atout in the Arkle next year? Looks a cracking bet.
It was with Paddy Power CCM. Hopefully it will turn out to be a good bet but he has a long way to go. I couldn't be any more impressed with him so far though and looks a chaser in the making. I have a feeling the festival may come a year too soon as far as the Supreme goes but after backing him in that race I thought it may be wise to have a small bet on him for the Arkle.
two more for you: Coneygree 25/1 for the 2014 RSA & Rocky Creek 33/1 for the 2014 Gold Cup.
I backed him for the RSA and after reading Nicholls thinking about missing Cheltenham this year like they did with Conti and go for the Hennessy I thought I would see what I could get for the Gold Cup. I don't think 33/1 is very generous but I thought I would let people know what is available.
These all seem very hit and miss to me (as you'd probably expect).
33/1 Rocky Creek is bordering on ridiculous. If he was to run in the RSA he'd probably be a 9 or 10-1 chance and if he won by a distance you could get 5 or 6-1 for the Gold Cup.
On the other hand, My Tent Or Yours could win the Betfair, go off at 4-1 for the Supreme, and if he won that as well he would be a lot less than 20s for the Champion, which makes that 100-1 potentially good value.
33/1 Rocky Creek is bordering on ridiculous. If he was to run in the RSA he'd probably be a 9 or 10-1 chance and if he won by a distance you could get 5 or 6-1 for the Gold Cup.
On the other hand, My Tent Or Yours could win the Betfair, go off at 4-1 for the Supreme, and if he won that as well he would be a lot less than 20s for the Champion, which makes that 100-1 potentially good value.
i contacted PP for a price on unioniste for next years gold cup, 33-1 i was quoted, i will be searching elsewhere
PP quoted me 33/1 for Puffin Billy to win the CHurdle next year.
Dont think so somehow!!
Dont think so somehow!!
did you get on that my tent or yours 100/1 double brookieslad? 
Thanks to well chief don't think I'd of enquired without reading the Sprinter Sacre thread :)
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that is looking a very good bet mate, hope it comes off for ya
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that is looking a very good bet mate, hope it comes off for ya
Well in Brooksie!
Still a long way to go, but I think there'd be a decent queue of people willing to buy that bet off ya!
Still a long way to go, but I think there'd be a decent queue of people willing to buy that bet off ya!
With the dust settled, I thought I'd take stock at some of those suggested in this thread:
Simonsig - 10/1 King George: 6/1 and 7/1 general favourite now. Will he go for the race though? I assumed they'd step him up in trip but worried about the constant talk of "he's a genuine 2 miler" from connections. I personally think his best performances have been past 2m.
Simonsig - 20/1 Gold Cup - Same price now but a very doubtful runner, so probably £20 down the drain.
Grandouet - 33/1 Arkle - 8's and 12's by those that have him priced up, so happy with my 33's at this stage. Still 50/50 whether he'll go chasing, but I personally think he'll be a much better chaser than hurdler. Still hope yet, and first talk from Henderson this week mentioning chasing, so hope he goes down that route.
Oscar Whisky - 16/1 Arkle and Jewson - ran too bad to be true in the World Hurdle and think they will definitely go chasing. Whether he'll be good enough is another question, as he's disappointed in his last two festival runs (although that may be trip reasons)
The New One - 25/1 RSA - ultra impressive, but I think this is a bet that is already lost.
MTOY - 33/1 Champion Hurdle - excellent price, given top price is now 10/1. I think he'll be the Henderson number 1 hope next year, and I'm not aboard the Our Connor ship yet - much rather be on MTOY at twice the price - serious chance imo
Sizing Rio-Arkle – 25/1
Road to Riches-RSA – 25/1
Simonsig-Gold Cup – 16/1
Wonderful Charm-Ryanair Chase – 25/1
Oscars Well-Ryanair Chase – 16/1
I like the Sizing Rio for the Arkle, but I think you'd probably get bigger than 25's. The others I can't really see sorry.
Un Atout - 33/1 Arkle - Half this price now. Ran a decent enough race in the Supreme, but chasing will always be his game, and will be much shorter than 16's nearer the time.
So all in all, a mixed bag. Some really good ones, and some have probably gone down already. Stand out one imo is MTOY Champion Hurdle at 33's, but Grandouet, if he does go chasing, will look a big price next March.
Simonsig - 10/1 King George: 6/1 and 7/1 general favourite now. Will he go for the race though? I assumed they'd step him up in trip but worried about the constant talk of "he's a genuine 2 miler" from connections. I personally think his best performances have been past 2m.
Simonsig - 20/1 Gold Cup - Same price now but a very doubtful runner, so probably £20 down the drain.
Grandouet - 33/1 Arkle - 8's and 12's by those that have him priced up, so happy with my 33's at this stage. Still 50/50 whether he'll go chasing, but I personally think he'll be a much better chaser than hurdler. Still hope yet, and first talk from Henderson this week mentioning chasing, so hope he goes down that route.
Oscar Whisky - 16/1 Arkle and Jewson - ran too bad to be true in the World Hurdle and think they will definitely go chasing. Whether he'll be good enough is another question, as he's disappointed in his last two festival runs (although that may be trip reasons)
The New One - 25/1 RSA - ultra impressive, but I think this is a bet that is already lost.
MTOY - 33/1 Champion Hurdle - excellent price, given top price is now 10/1. I think he'll be the Henderson number 1 hope next year, and I'm not aboard the Our Connor ship yet - much rather be on MTOY at twice the price - serious chance imo
Sizing Rio-Arkle – 25/1
Road to Riches-RSA – 25/1
Simonsig-Gold Cup – 16/1
Wonderful Charm-Ryanair Chase – 25/1
Oscars Well-Ryanair Chase – 16/1
I like the Sizing Rio for the Arkle, but I think you'd probably get bigger than 25's. The others I can't really see sorry.
Un Atout - 33/1 Arkle - Half this price now. Ran a decent enough race in the Supreme, but chasing will always be his game, and will be much shorter than 16's nearer the time.
So all in all, a mixed bag. Some really good ones, and some have probably gone down already. Stand out one imo is MTOY Champion Hurdle at 33's, but Grandouet, if he does go chasing, will look a big price next March.
I have a few in mind for next year:
Smad Place: World Hurdle, will be backing him at Aintree too
Cue Card: Gold Cup 25s VC, free bet if non runner
African Gold: RSA Chase
Smad Place: World Hurdle, will be backing him at Aintree too
Cue Card: Gold Cup 25s VC, free bet if non runner
African Gold: RSA Chase
Alright Duffy. Bought my first house in the last week of January and gutted the place, so only just got the internet back. Been checking the forums on my phone though.
Hope all forum folk had a good festival. Biggest winner for me was Sprinter, and biggest losers were Boston Bob to place, and Rolling Star to win.
Highlight was The Fly winning, and horse I was most impressed with was Champagne Fever. Looking at next year, I'm looking forward to MTOY and The New One in the Champion, Pont Alexandre in the RSA and At Fishers Cross in the RSA or World Hurdle.
Hope all forum folk had a good festival. Biggest winner for me was Sprinter, and biggest losers were Boston Bob to place, and Rolling Star to win.
Highlight was The Fly winning, and horse I was most impressed with was Champagne Fever. Looking at next year, I'm looking forward to MTOY and The New One in the Champion, Pont Alexandre in the RSA and At Fishers Cross in the RSA or World Hurdle.
Got a few more back just after the Festival WC,Hopefully the house will keep you occupied during the long summer months,
Champagne Fever-Arkle 6/1
Un Atout-Arkle 14/1
Simonsig-Champion Hurdle 14/1
Pont Alexander-RSA chase 16/1
Road to Riches-RSA chase 25/1
Rule The World-Jewson Novice Chase 14/1
African Gold-Jewson Novice Chase 16/1
Cinders And Ashes-World Hurdle 40/1
Sprinter Sacre-Gold Cup 20/1
Cue Card-Gold Cup 20/1
A few are a bit less than i was looking for and i love how RTR stayed the same price,Guess the no-show didn't tempt them into adding 8 or so points to him for next year.
Champagne Fever-Arkle 6/1
Un Atout-Arkle 14/1
Simonsig-Champion Hurdle 14/1
Pont Alexander-RSA chase 16/1
Road to Riches-RSA chase 25/1
Rule The World-Jewson Novice Chase 14/1
African Gold-Jewson Novice Chase 16/1
Cinders And Ashes-World Hurdle 40/1
Sprinter Sacre-Gold Cup 20/1
Cue Card-Gold Cup 20/1
A few are a bit less than i was looking for and i love how RTR stayed the same price,Guess the no-show didn't tempt them into adding 8 or so points to him for next year.
Where was the 16/1 Pont Alexandre please mate?
Is Rule the World defintiely going chasing? I want to keep on side of most of the front runners in the RSA and he reminds me a lot of First Lieutenent.
Chers
Is Rule the World defintiely going chasing? I want to keep on side of most of the front runners in the RSA and he reminds me a lot of First Lieutenent.
Chers
* Cheers
I'm not a fan of Cher before the rumours start
I'm not a fan of Cher before the rumours start
Get these from Paddy Power,You'll need to email them then use the dial-a-bet service if you want to take any of the prices offered(Think the PA price might be gone now though as is 12's on the site now)
gutted about the 100/1 supreme/champion double for mtoy. Peanuts on at 33s for next years champion hurdle, still think 10/1 is a big price though as this years Supreme was a pretty hot race imo.
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