Willie Mullins chase watch

Save your faces


For the bigger races

I do actually see the angle you're coming from Graeme, so no funny faces from me.

Some of his big fancies win a big race every now and then, but I can see that you mean the likes of Cooldine, Kempes (RIP), Quel Esprit etc didn't then go on and win consecutive open company Grade 1 races; whereas a Henderson or Nicholls can get the same horses winning multiple G1 races in a season, or over the course of a few seasons.

He did have the likes of Golden Silver (RIP) who used to mop them up, but he usually racing against much inferior opposition.

I do, however, rate Willie very highly though, and would never see him as training a chaser as a negative.

Yes Wellchief, he can really get his horses to win big races. I can't really question that. I could be scraping the barel, but perhaps Willies apprehension can effect some of his horses confidence. Sometimes before the festival he has the nervous disposition of a  schoolboy in line for the flu jab. He also seems willing to talk after he wins, and not so much when he loses. Trainers like Nicholls and Henderson seem to be able to put things into perspective that bit quicker. Let's see how the like of arvika, Bob Worth and SDC do in there next few races. I hope they do well.

* Boston Bob

Aupcharlie seems to have hit one at the end of his last couple of races. Arvika is coming up tomorrow, it will be interesting to see how he jumps.

Arvika falls. I'm begining to see another pattern emerge here. The people who are convinced that SDC is a good price at 5/1 must be a little nervous.

I think SDC is an appalling price regardless of what happens with his other runners.

Ah but Sint, he's priced up like a horse who hasn't made jumping errors in 2 of his last 3 races. If he had jumped well LTO, he would've won and the price would have been not too bad.

What a load of p!sh. Arvika Legionnaire falls so it makes SDC fans nervous?

Fackin nonsense man

2 from 2 at Cheltenham Festival and who gives a toss about the warm-ups? Being trained to win a Gold Cup

It's his chasers not jumping, so if yet another of his top chasers fails to cut the mustard, then yes it would make SDC backers nervous, as the pattern is now emerging. Cheltenham has nothing to do with his jumping issues in 2 of his last 3 races. I wouldn't put anyone off backing his, but the consitency isn't there over the bigger obstacles. When it comes to get a chaser preped race in, race out, then i have to say that Mullins isn't up to the standard of Paul Nicholls for example. The Wylie's should have sent Boston Bob to PN. That's my opinion.

Haven't you backed SDC for the Gold Cup?

How many times has SDC fallen?
How many times has he ran at Cheltenham and how many times did he win?
How many chases has Willie Mullins won at Cheltenham?
How many chases has Boston Bob ran in?Has he been beaten over fences?

This thread is ridiculous to be honest!! Kauto Star fell in a Gold Cup for Paul Nicholls and Denman fell when 1/6 shot no? All trainers have chasers who fall - that's life

I've stated on numerous occasions that i have, and i've also stated that if i take a price in a Mullins chaser, i now see it as a negative that is incorporated into any price i take. I have backed some of his this season, but i'll be backing his more sparingly in future.

Sorry Graeme...but I just have to laugh at this. Willie Mullins chasers fall alert everybody but erm I've backed SDC at single figures. c'mon man....

Why are the Mullin's trained chasers of interest regarding their jumping.?
Are you looking for a betting angle of laying/Backing certain types in certain races or just grinding a axe.?
Just wondering.

This thread has been made after the season has started, and since yet more of his better chasers have devoloped problems. I backed SDC back in March. I didn't think that even he could screw up a horse who jumped like SDC did in the Jewson. I genuinely believe that if Mouse Morris or Paul Nicholls trained these horses such as Boston Bob and SDC, that we wouldn't be having this conversation. Can you seriously tell me that you'd be as confident backing a chaser with Mullins as you would with Nicholls or Morris et al ?

"Are you looking for a betting angle of laying/Backing certain types in certain races or just grinding a axe.?"





I mentioned it in the Boston Bob thread, but Byrne asked me if i could not talk about it on that particular thread, so i thought i'd make one. A few posters thought i was wrong, so i thought i'd make a thread. I think i'm right, and i'm highlighting something i think punters should take into consideration. Howard Johson took some flack, so i don't see why Mullins isn't fair game.

Although I do think the handling of Boston Bob this season has been rather shoddy (getting fed up seeing him entered and being pulled out and concerned that he has had only one run so far) as well as the fact that we all know the trainer talks utter p!sh half the time he's still not half bad.

Nicholls is a better trainer for me yes and Mouse Morris knows how to train one - agree - but I don't have any nerves backing a Mullins chaser at the Cheltenham Festival with a decent chance. Think the thread is unfair to be honest

Fair enough,
I just thought if it was for a betting angle you might look at a few more trainers than just WM is all,
Good luck and lets hope SDC has had a bit of schooling since the Lexus.

Nicholls last chase win at the festival was.............

That's not a pertinent question

"Good luck and lets hope SDC has had a bit of schooling since the Lexus. "




Yeah. I hope he wins mate.

Colmaaca
now that is a tester,Kauto star unbelievable

Think this is a good thread myself.
See absolutely nowt wrong with someone voicing their concerns about a trainer,especially as it seems theres some evidence that gives him a case.

Willie's ninth Hennessy winner,not bad for a trainer, who can't train chasers and BB obliges as well, over a trip shorter than ideal.

This thread is going well eh?

It's not supposed to do well. I said at the end om my third post that i hope they do well(the horses). Two of his 4 best chasers had jumping issues LTO in Arvika and Aupcharlie. I also used the word conistency, which the trainer himself would look for, as do all others, so i hardly thinking bumping the thread after a race or two is any use. You also brought thsi thread up at 9 in the morning, so i'm mildly alarmed at what time you may have been thinking of me from. Did you have any breakfast ?

Update on the Oirish Howard Johnston :-


Ponte Alexandre(out), Un Atout(out), Sanctuaire(no longer with us, (did R Walsh get him transfered?). The focus is now on Champagne Fever you'd have to say, and also Felix Yonger, especially after Boston Bob was so poorly handled. It's a coincidence that Ruby became homesick in the same year Mullins has a wickedly strong string.

Sanctuair died on the gallops.

You could do the same for any trainer Graeme.

Nicky Henderson:

Simonsig (out)
Grandouet (fell)
Long Run and Bobs Worth (what's happening - poorly handled?)


Horses get injured and some unfortunately fatally so. It happens to all trainers. With Mullins having such a powerful and large team of horses it's little surprise that he'll have a few injured every year.

Comparing him to Howard Johnson is pretty pathetic.

I know Sint. Tommy, don't be daft by comparing Long Run and Bobs Worth to any Mullins has trained recently. They two have won all sorts. Simonsig will be out shortly, so again that's pish. The Howard Johnston label is obviously for a bit of banter, but also because i think Boston Bob would improve if here went somewhere else. The fact is Mullins is top notch when it comes to hurdles, but alot of the success he gets are from horses who are ready made from France, by French trainers. He's not doing all the tough work that he gets the credit for. Ballycasey looks good, and you got a goof price so good luck there. I'll watch with interest to see how Champagne Fever does when the fences come quicker.

What i said about the French horse cna be attributed to alot of these trainers. I saw someone make a good point about this a few days ago.

Fair enough Graeme, I don't agree but there you go.

I think you're being harsh on him. Over the past few seasons there have been a number of mediocre animals transferred to Mullins that have cantered home in handicaps (I'm talking about animals at the lower end of the scale), imo showing that animals improve significantly under his care.

Thousand Stars improved stones under Mullins.

The only top chasers he's had in recent seasons are Sir Des Champs and Golden Silver and they've won plenty.

I just find it odd that you've singled out Mullins. Take Meade for example, how many top animals has he had in recent years that have become injured? Nicanor, Aran Concerto, Go Native, Pandorama. A very high percentage of his best horses. I just think injuries etc. happen to all trainers over time and there'll be years when some trainers are hit harder than others.

Thanks re Ballycasey Looked outpaced with half a mile to go but as soon as they met the rising ground the front two started to waver while he hit top gear. RSA looks open at this stage but hopefully that's where he'll end up. Really looking forward to seeing Bright New Dawn this week, he's another I want to see over a fence sooner rather than later.

Does anyone have an update on SDC ?

In his RUK column Ruby said he was okay on Monday morning thankfully, was a horrible fall so great news.

In his RUK column Ruby said he was okay on Monday morning thankfully, was a horrible fall so great news.

That's good news. Let's hope he runs well over Christmas. It should be a good race.

ttt

I once read on another thread a comment saying if wullie wasn't a racehorse trainer he would be a politician, how true that comment is, politicians are liars, and fleecing the public purse with  expenses most the time while wullie keeps everyone in the dark while mopping up the prices on set races by running his novice horses over wrong distances

The best comment I read over the last few days is how Willie Mullins has a tendency to aim his Chasers at Grade 1 without getting the experience first. A case in point being Champagne Fever whose one mistake at Grade 1 pace did for him. I am intrigued that Ballycasey who was one time favourite for todays Leopardstown race then was made a non runner. I wonder if after CF's travails on Thursday if Ruby might have suggested a little more practice at a lower grade might make more sense before taking on Grade 1 horses?

I reckon todays race was fairly competitive and may take its toll. Dont think WM normally runs his RSA horses over long distances before the festival especially if the opposition looks strong.

Any update on ballycasey?

Don't hold your breathe. Even Ruby has had the Mullins muzzle put on him by the Oirish Howard Johnson.

Would ideally like to see Ballycasey get another two chase runs before Cheltenham but time is getting short for that. Although he didn't run at Christmas I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. A nice little graded race over 2m 4f would be ideal.

id like to see him run twice aswell but if its only the once so be it, quite clear they are not prepared to see him run on bottomless ground like some of their others

Maybe he will run in 2ml 5f grade two in Leopardstown  on the Saturday of the Irish Champion Hurdle meeting.  Texas Jack beat Lord Windermere by 1/2 length in last years renewal.

You'd hope they'd learn the lesson from Boston Bob last year where he only had 2 races prior to RSA. Ballycasey also hasn't had much racing so lacks a lot of experience. I'm on at 36 in here and 33/1 SJ so hoping to see him twice more before the RSA. Think he should appreciate sprig ground as well

Boston Bob was unlucky last year though to be fair

Tell me bout it Bally that horse cost me last twice at Festival big time, got Ballycasey in nice doubles with Faugheen.

Agree he was Balky and I was as gutted as anyone - had at 8/1 and also in a 25/1 double with the fly. I'd moved down to the raised standing area by the first fence so happened right in front of me - was dejected.

Doesn't take away from the fact that maybe a reason was his lack of chase experience. 1st and 2nd had run three or fours times beforehand

Mean 'Bally' and last fence! Damn safari on iphone!

I was on Boston Bob at 8/1 and Lord Windermere at 33/1 25/1 16/1 so I wasn't totally bothered about his fall lol...if lyreen legend had won I'd have went to counselling!!still.....jane mangan falling off Oscar delta at 28/1 was Gods revenge.stupid cow

You do wonder whether if he had an extra race under his belt whether he would've stayed on feet...if he jumped the last he would've won.

I'm on Ballycasey also and want him out running Mullins.

Think you might be the first lord Windermere backer Bally who has actually admitted that Boston Bob would have won!

Bally......I backed both Lyreen and Oscar Delta

I'm adamant Boston Bob would've won yes.

Fabulous...feel your pain. I was watchin Foxhunters just next to parade ring and gettin excited...when that cow fell off some guy went "yes and started laughing"...turned to him with the evils and my mate had to calm me down from attacking him!!28/1 I had for 50ew.

I'm just laughin to myself waiting for someone like Graeme83 going "after timing!prove it!if you didn't tell me then it couldn't have happened!etc etc...lol

Hence posted bets this year on stevos thread. The Lord is in there but he ain't winning nothing in March

i hope you thanked your mate bally after

28's for me too Bally, though only for a tenner, was a sore one. One day I might laugh at it

I did Alleged lol...followed by a few sherberts!

Sir Des Champs out no surprise...when laying off Silvi last night there was nothing on lay side for SDC