Festivalfanatic just to point out Simonsig had 3 ptp runs and I'm basing my view on those runs and what somebody close to the horse at that time said about those runs. Until I see him jump a fence im happy to take this view based on facts as opposed to a trainer and jockey saying 'he needs a fence'.
Festivalfanatic just to point out Simonsig had 3 ptp runs and I'm basing my view on those runs and what somebody close to the horse at that time said about those runs.Until I see him jump a fence im happy to take this view based on facts as opposed t
After seeing Simonsig's PTP wins, I can't help think that he's not going to prove as good over fences. He almost appears to hurdle his fences, which isn't the worst thing in the world if you have a tall horse, but he isn't the tallest of horses. Maybe he is just well measured when jumping fences, but he is practically brushing through the top, and those PTP fences are definitely no where near as stiff than regulation fences, and you could argue they look a few inches smaller too. So although that yogi (bear) bloke can try to change the horse's technique e.g. Change the horse's jump arc to make him jump higher, and land sooner. I would worry that he'll be out jumped by taller horses.
I'm sure they know better than me though, but these are just my thoughts on what I've seen.
After seeing Simonsig's PTP wins, I can't help think that he's not going to prove as good over fences. He almost appears to hurdle his fences, which isn't the worst thing in the world if you have a tall horse, but he isn't the tallest of horses. Mayb
Wonder why.....looked to have found a very suitable introduction for him today. Wetherby is a very fair track and the fences much less formidable than they used to be.
Wonder why.....looked to have found a very suitable introduction for him today. Wetherby is a very fair track and the fences much less formidable than they used to be.
Just trawled through the first few pages of this thread.
Awful lot of people not impressed with Overturn going chasing,and a fair few not rating his chances of success as a chaser at all. Be interesting what they say now!!
Really goes to show we should wait till voicing strong opinions,which in reality is just guesswork.
Just trawled through the first few pages of this thread.Awful lot of people not impressed with Overturn going chasing,and a fair few not rating his chances of success as a chaser at all.Be interesting what they say now!! Really goes to show we should
phew, just checked to see if i had said anything to add to my ever growing list of wrong guesses, thankfully i have escaped with no comments....i would have said that he'll be a fantastic chaser though
phew, just checked to see if i had said anything to add to my ever growing list of wrong guesses, thankfully i have escaped with no comments....i would have said that he'll be a fantastic chaser though
Only just watched this. He did look good, no mean feet to jump round Sandown like that in your first race over fences, in ground they may not have been ideal either.
I remember Somersby putting in a similar round of jumping in his novice days at Sandown. I'd actually have him as Arkle favourite on the back of that, so I don't think 8/1 is bad at all. Well played to those who backed him at bigger prices.
Only just watched this. He did look good, no mean feet to jump round Sandown like that in your first race over fences, in ground they may not have been ideal either.I remember Somersby putting in a similar round of jumping in his novice days at Sando
Very rare indeed a 9 yr old winner, however two of the classiest winners were 8 - Moscow Flyer & Sizing Europe, and it would be 25 years since the last 9 yr old. Certainly if you are purely a stats only person you wouldn't go near Overturn
Very rare indeed a 9 yr old winner, however two of the classiest winners were 8 - Moscow Flyer & Sizing Europe, and it would be 25 years since the last 9 yr old. Certainly if you are purely a stats only person you wouldn't go near Overturn
Simonsig not jumped a fence yet. Overturn better form as a hurdler,although obviously not Simons fault.
As for 9yr olds not winning Arkles,maybe thats cos normally they hade already run in the race by then.As been said,hardly had a 9yr old run in the race.
If theres value out of the 2,then has to be Overturn,though personally i'm not getting involved,not yet anyway.
Simonsig not jumped a fence yet.Overturn better form as a hurdler,although obviously not Simons fault.As for 9yr olds not winning Arkles,maybe thats cos normally they hade already run in the race by then.As been said,hardly had a 9yr old run in the r
Imagine if Moscow and Sizing had another year hurdling and then ran in the Arkle at 9. They would have p!ssed in!!
Stats not relevant.
What is relevant is that he has top 2m hurdling form,has a lot of experience as a racehorse,and has just shown us he can jump a fence very well.
Tink i'm talking myself into parting with some money!!
Imagine if Moscow and Sizing had another year hurdling and then ran in the Arkle at 9.They would have p!ssed in!!Stats not relevant.What is relevant is that he has top 2m hurdling form,has a lot of experience as a racehorse,and has just shown us he c
The one thing holding me back Budd is I'm too often drawn in by impressive performances at this time of the season. Only to see far better performances over the next few months and to find out what seemed impressive at the time didn't turn out to be.
However, he really did look good yesterday and I think I'm talking myself into backing him too
The one thing holding me back Budd is I'm too often drawn in by impressive performances at this time of the season. Only to see far better performances over the next few months and to find out what seemed impressive at the time didn't turn out to be.
Exactly mate,long way to go and a fair few to see yet. Just depends on whether you think his price is worth it now. Could look big come March,but then again......
Exactly mate,long way to go and a fair few to see yet.Just depends on whether you think his price is worth it now.Could look big come March,but then again......
Despite the age thing he's the best we've seen so far including the Irish runners and to be honest other than NH and PN, who else has Arkle contenders in there yard?
I'm trying to talk myself out of Overturn but come the day it could end up like last years with only a handful of runners!
8s could look good on the day.
Despite the age thing he's the best we've seen so far including the Irish runners and to be honest other than NH and PN, who else has Arkle contenders in there yard? I'm trying to talk myself out of Overturn but come the day it could end up like last
he will be even more impressive on good ground ,if his jumping is better than yesterday on good ground he might end up going for the champion instead of the arkle.
he will be even more impressive on good ground ,if his jumping is better than yesterday on good ground he might end up going for the champion instead of the arkle.
Unless something improves pounds over fences, based on hurdles form / ratings, it looks like a lot in the market would struggle to get near to Simonsig or Overturn; unless a Solwhit or Go Native enters the picture around New Year.
I backed Trifolium and he's a non runner, so then put a very small stake on Alderwood, who has since doubled in price; so I'm leaving this race alone now for a while because it looks like I've been burnt twice.
With the Go Native and Solwhit "will they or won't they" unknown, and then the bigger unknown of the Jewson, this isn't a race for me until much nearer the time, which is a bit of a shame because I had really tasty prices on Sprinter, Peddlers and Cue Card last year to keep me interested.
I think Simonsig and Overturn will be aimed at the Arkle, but could easily see Oscars Well and Captain Conan in the Jewson. I never thought I'd say this, but I'm actually looking forward to the RSA more this year.
Unless something improves pounds over fences, based on hurdles form / ratings, it looks like a lot in the market would struggle to get near to Simonsig or Overturn; unless a Solwhit or Go Native enters the picture around New Year.I backed Trifolium a
What's your take on the RSA WC? Willie is talking up Boston Bob as the best novice he's ever had, strong words seeing as he had Sir Des last year! I think Fingal and Dynaste will go jewson. I like Ambion Wood.
What's your take on the RSA WC? Willie is talking up Boston Bob as the best novice he's ever had, strong words seeing as he had Sir Des last year! I think Fingal and Dynaste will go jewson. I like Ambion Wood.
Even if Simonsig does well over fences, there won't be too many wanting to take him and Overturn on in the Arkle. Without wishing to put the kybosh on him, Overturn is a very sound horse who stands training well. 8/1 is an attractive price as things stand today.
Even if Simonsig does well over fences, there won't be too many wanting to take him and Overturn on in the Arkle. Without wishing to put the kybosh on him, Overturn is a very sound horse who stands training well. 8/1 is an attractive price as things
Hi Smart Predator. The RSA is looking a very competitive renewal this year, but as you say, a couple could go down the Jewson route, like a few potential Arkle runners.
While it doesn't look like it could have a superstar in it, like a Simonsig, I think the overall quality of the race has more strength in depth at the moment than what the Arkle is looking like.
I've never really taken to Fingal Bay over hurdles, or his chase debut to be honest. I've said before I'm not too keen when a horse only does enough to win, and idles in front; it's tricky because you'd have to produce him late to win and could easily get chinned on the line. I also like to see a horse extend and go and win his race, but they're all different, so as long as he keeps winning it won't be a problem.
I think the Pipes may have learnt something from last year, with Grands Crus, where if they have nay doubts about Dynaste staying, I too think they'll send him to the Jewson, because it'll be the safer option. However, he did seem to get every yard of the 3 miles when winning the Fixed Brush hurdle at Haydock, with Synchronised a long way behind.
Of the two Mullins horses I'd be more inclined to back Champagne Fever at the moment, but like Houblon Des Obeaux, he will only be a 6 year old. Although it is quite ironic that the last 6 year old to win it was Florida Pearl, and Champagne Fever looks like he is taking the exact same route, skipping hurdling. I haven't made my mind up about Boston Bob yet, so I'll wait to see him out again, although that's some statement by Mullins considering some of the novices he's had.
Sire Collonges didn't set the world on fire as a hurdler, but is from a very powerful stable, and looks at the moment, to be Nicholls' number 1 contender, so has to be respected.
Definitely early days, and haven't had a bet, but it's a race that's really interesting me at the moment.
Hi Smart Predator. The RSA is looking a very competitive renewal this year, but as you say, a couple could go down the Jewson route, like a few potential Arkle runners.While it doesn't look like it could have a superstar in it, like a Simonsig, I th
Well Chief, I have read that Champagne Fever has various entries but if Boston Bob is as good as he thinks will he not wait a year to go chasing with CF? Or do you know something we don't? ;)
Good views anyway good luck
Well Chief, I have read that Champagne Fever has various entries but if Boston Bob is as good as he thinks will he not wait a year to go chasing with CF? Or do you know something we don't? ;)Good views anyway good luck
flush gordon, interesting you mention the QM maybe for Overturn,i e-mailed bfair this morning to add him to the market. Just possible that as the season goes the temptation may appear.
flush gordon,interesting you mention the QM maybe for Overturn,i e-mailed bfair this morning to add him to the market.Just possible that as the season goes the temptation may appear.
I think Overturn will go the same way as Peddlers Cross did last year - impressive in small fields early season but won't figure come March and the Henderson beast will be different gravy anyway - IMHO.
I think Overturn will go the same way as Peddlers Cross did last year - impressive in small fields early season but won't figure come March and the Henderson beast will be different gravy anyway - IMHO.
i think overturn will be far better than peddlers over fences. pc didnt look like he was enjoying himself at all last season bot overturn looks like he's loving every second of it. i'm a huge simonsig fan and am on him at 7/1 but after that performance on Saturday somonsig will have to take to fences very well cos he's going to be a hard horse to catch.
i think overturn will be far better than peddlers over fences. pc didnt look like he was enjoying himself at all last season bot overturn looks like he's loving every second of it. i'm a huge simonsig fan and am on him at 7/1 but after that performan
I didn't see the race (doing family stuff) - just the highlights on C4. But it looked like a glorified schooling session. He went off in front, never saw another horse and was neevr pushed because he beat horses who we already knew were massively inferior. We've seen he can jump a fence in his own time - impressively - but that's miles away from a competetive race where horses can challenge him for speed and put his jumping under pressure. Yesterday told us very little about his Arkle chances.
I didn't see the race (doing family stuff) - just the highlights on C4. But it looked like a glorified schooling session. He went off in front, never saw another horse and was neevr pushed because he beat horses who we already knew were massively inf
flush,theres no way overturn would go for champion.sanctuaire,sprinter Budd,im suprised at you...
im very taken with overturn,as i am with arvika legionnaire. the thing for certain is overturn is purely 2m while arvika could also go 2.4 or 3m. oscars could easily head for 2.4 but,i think itl be aimed at the arkle.
are we dismissing tizzards horse too easily?while i think hinterland is soft it was a good performance to slam him easily.
i love the arkle
flush,theres no way overturn would go for champion.sanctuaire,sprinterBudd,im suprised at you...im very taken with overturn,as i am with arvika legionnaire.the thing for certain is overturn is purely 2m while arvika could also go 2.4 or 3m.oscars cou
They were worried about racing simonsig over two miles as a hurdler because he can be a bit casual, well, in overturn , a horse that hardly anything could go with over hurdles on his day and who has just showed he's equally as flashy and quick over fences, he is going to put maximum pressure on anything is races against and there won't be any room for casualness in his opponents.
Simonsig hasn't even raced at 2 miles under rules but this season is ultimately going to have to travel through his races flawlessly at a pace he's yet to have been asked to.
Overturn beat not much but the performance visually was hugely impressive and although it is yet to be seen if he will match the figures he put up over hurdles, most importantly at the moment his performance looked to the untrained eye to be one where the horse himself was enjoying the new experience every bit as much as he enjoyed jumping hurdles giving him every chance to be able to match his level of hurdling to fences, which means he's at a very high level just to start with.
They were worried about racing simonsig over two miles as a hurdler because he can be a bit casual, well, in overturn , a horse that hardly anything could go with over hurdles on his day and who has just showed he's equally as flashy and quick over f
Tweedle, i surprised myself,its something i would not normally entertain,going QM in a novice year. Thing is this horse is very experienced,a top hurdler for a few years and going chasing late on,and really im just summising what connections may be thinking later on in the season should Overturn continue to impress.It possible they may think hes ready for that and not want to wait till hes 10 to try the QM. They have put him in on here at 16 for the QM,not a price that appeals given the improbability,but i will keep an eye on this.
Tweedle,i surprised myself,its something i would not normally entertain,going QM in a novice year.Thing is this horse is very experienced,a top hurdler for a few years and going chasing late on,and really im just summising what connections may be thi
I am with strontium on this. Never under any pressure. Schooling session. A good session but needs to be viewed in that context. I am quite sure Simonsig and Captain Conan look just as smart schooling at 7Barrows. I really hope they do !
I am with strontium on this. Never under any pressure. Schooling session. A good session but needs to be viewed in that context. I am quite sure Simonsig and Captain Conan look just as smart schooling at 7Barrows. I really hope they do !
Well yes thats right,but when top hurdlers go chasing and impress with their jumping,best to take note imo. Forget the race itself,and watch him jump is the thing to do,after all we all knew his hurdle form,now we know he can jump hes a threat,has to be,and a major one at that. When hes put under pressure we may find out more,but then i kept saying that about SS last year,and still aint found out!!!
Well yes thats right,but when top hurdlers go chasing and impress with their jumping,best to take note imo.Forget the race itself,and watch him jump is the thing to do,after all we all knew his hurdle form,now we know he can jump hes a threat,has to
SS is a freak. Overturn is just a very good horse.
The problem (for us) is Overturn is unlikely to be put under too much pressure before the Festival, so it becomes a guessing game. (Unless he meets Simonsig at Christmas, but McCain may have learned his lession there).
SS is a freak. Overturn is just a very good horse.The problem (for us) is Overturn is unlikely to be put under too much pressure before the Festival, so it becomes a guessing game. (Unless he meets Simonsig at Christmas, but McCain may have learned h
I did not really mean to compare the 2,just saying. But i would say both are very good horses.Personally dont use the word freak. I would also say that at this stage we dont know how good either will become over fences.
If you do compare them,one would say that Overturn is a lot more experienced and still in his prime by the looks of it,and SS is a lot less experienced. Its still a case for me that SS has to prove he can mix it with the best,whilst Overturn has already proved he can,albeit Hurdling. Its really a case of how quickly Overturn takes to chasing,and to me hes started bl00dy well,and looks to have taken to it pretty quickly.Of cours SS is ahead of him in that regard having a season behind him,but we do not know how they will fare respectively in the future. Its possible,just possible,hes already as good, or will be soon with a bit more chasing experience.
As for Simonsig,he aint jumped a fence yet in public,so lets wait and see.
I did not really mean to compare the 2,just saying.But i would say both are very good horses.Personally dont use the word freak.I would also say that at this stage we dont know how good either will become over fences.If you do compare them,one would
Hi Budd - sorry, I was a bit loose with my argument.
I think we do know pretty much how good Overtun is - he's now run 38 times! He's almost Champion Hurdle class and just below group class on the flat. It would be a surprise if he improves significantly for fences but no surprise if he runs to a similar level.
I agree we don't know how good either O or SS will ultimately be over fences, but I firmly believe SS has more potential. My point really was that something is very likely to get O off the bridle at some stage this season. That hasn't happened with SS yet over fences - but that is very much the exception rather than the rule, so not a good way to judge horses imo. It's like judging every Gold Cup winner by Kauto Star - most of the time you'll be disappointed.
As for Simonsig, you are correct. What I should have said was "Unless, for example, he meets Simonsig at Christmas...". Here the point I wanted to make was that Overturn may well not have a hard race before the Festival. McCain put up Peddlers Cross v Sprinter Sacre last winter, but he may be more careful this season. I shouldn't have picked out Simonsig - I meant Overturn could well dodge all the other top 2 m novices until March.
Hi Budd - sorry, I was a bit loose with my argument.I think we do know pretty much how good Overtun is - he's now run 38 times! He's almost Champion Hurdle class and just below group class on the flat. It would be a surprise if he improves significan
Yeh i think SS has more potential,and would not be surprised if he ends up one of the best weve seen,but after reading my posts i expect you know by now that i tend to wait a bit longer than most to start acclaiming horses. I also like to give other horses credit,especially ones that have impressed me and could also be anything over fences,like Sanctuaire eg,and i think Overturn has possibilities in that regard,although he aint gonna have long to do that. Thats why i did start to think that they might go QM this season,only might though!!! I dont think they will dodge anything,think they will map out a campaign and stick to it,but may be wrong of course.Hes different to PC with him being that much older,and i really dont think they will be thinking - the same could happen again,better wait till March. Anyway,nice to see an exciting start to the 2m nov chase scene this season mate. Long may it continue!!
No worries mate.Yeh i think SS has more potential,and would not be surprised if he ends up one of the best weve seen,but after reading my posts i expect you know by now that i tend to wait a bit longer than most to start acclaiming horses.I also like
strontium -hes almost champion hurdle? he was second in the champion hurdle and time wise his time on ground softer than ideal was the best of the day by a long way on saturday.
strontium -hes almost champion hurdle?he was second in the champion hurdle and time wise his time on ground softer than ideal was the best of the day by a long way on saturday.
I think he means almost Champion Hurlde winning class.
I take both points of view on board at the moment. He did look very impressive, but his jumping wasn't put under any kind of pressure. We've seen lots of times that when some horses turn the screw, their rivals' jumping goes to pot, so we need to see what he's like against a proper rival.
It was hard not to be impressed though, and Sandown is a tricky place to start a novice chase campaign.
You could back him now at 8's and he'll almost certainly be shorter on the day to lay it off for a free bet.
As for the QM, not a chance he'll run, and if he did I couldn't see him winning it anyway (especially if Sizing and Finians stay at the minimum trip).
I think he means almost Champion Hurlde winning class.I take both points of view on board at the moment. He did look very impressive, but his jumping wasn't put under any kind of pressure. We've seen lots of times that when some horses turn the scr
Yes, I meant almost CH winning class, not almost up to running in it! I stand by what I said above, but the fact he did it at Sandown is a good point and a bonus.
Yes, I meant almost CH winning class, not almost up to running in it! I stand by what I said above, but the fact he did it at Sandown is a good point and a bonus.
Dont blame them hes the reigning champ over 2m. Should defend that,or go for the KG and GC. Depending on how he fares over the longer trips. Stays KG go GC,dont stay go QM. And im pretty sure thats what they will do.
Dont blame them hes the reigning champ over 2m.Should defend that,or go for the KG and GC.Depending on how he fares over the longer trips.Stays KG go GC,dont stay go QM.And im pretty sure thats what they will do.
Yeh,i agree Stront The Ryanair is now one of my fav festival races providing us with some good races,and this years was a great race. Its now a Grade 1 race in its own right and i do think soon it will get more recognition.Hope so anyway. Guess if a QM winner goes in it the following year then that would speed things along. It could happen if FR dont stay KG and trainer persuades owner to avoid SS at all costs,but i would be surprised if both of those situations arise.
Yeh,i agree StrontThe Ryanair is now one of my fav festival races providing us with some good races,and this years was a great race.Its now a Grade 1 race in its own right and i do think soon it will get more recognition.Hope so anyway.Guess if a QM
if he was mine id win the ryanair with him.its the race he would have most chance of winning imho. wont stay 3m2 in a horsebox,afterall this is the horse who they doubted would stay 2.4 as his jumping was so exhuberent. now he settles well surely the 2.4 would be taylormade
if he was mine id win the ryanair with him.its the race he would have most chance of winning imho.wont stay 3m2 in a horsebox,afterall this is the horse who they doubted would stay 2.4 as his jumping was so exhuberent.now he settles well surely the 2
problem with that is hes the reigning QM winner,so owner would probably want him in that race again to defend,thats if he fails to stay 3m. Had he say been beat in the QM,i think the Ryanair would be very likely,but he won it.
problem with that is hes the reigning QM winner,so owner would probably want him in that race again to defend,thats if he fails to stay 3m.Had he say been beat in the QM,i think the Ryanair would be very likely,but he won it.
thats very sporting and while i understand and applaud that my take on him running over 2.4 at lpool was fact finding so they could avoid ss this year. while it may prove i was wrong,i still dont think i was... fair play to all concerned[perhaps they fancy the forecast,tongue in cheek]
thats very sporting and while i understand and applaud that my take on him running over 2.4 at lpool was fact finding so they could avoid ss this year.while it may prove i was wrong,i still dont think i was...fair play to all concerned[perhaps they f
Maybe trainer could tell owner winning the Ryanair is worth £80k more than finishing 2nd in the QM. Although from a racing perspective it would be very interesting to see Finians vs SS.
Maybe trainer could tell owner winning the Ryanair is worth £80k more than finishing 2nd in the QM. Although from a racing perspective it would be very interesting to see Finians vs SS.
Budd, it's also one of my favourite races. It may not have the top level quality of the QMCC or CGC, but it has more depth than either most years, and there's no doubt it now takes a genuine Group 1 horse to win it.
GCW - isn't the trainer scared of that particular owner? FWIW (very little), I think FR will stay 3 m round Kempton. You never know if a horse will stay 26.5f round Cheltenham at Gold Cup pace until they try.
Budd, it's also one of my favourite races. It may not have the top level quality of the QMCC or CGC, but it has more depth than either most years, and there's no doubt it now takes a genuine Group 1 horse to win it.GCW - isn't the trainer scared of t
I'd pay good money to listen to the conversation that Hendo would have trying to persuade Geraghty to rise Finians in the QM. Not sure Barry would be so impolite to tell him to shove it where the sun doesn't shine but suspect it would be along those lines!
I'd pay good money to listen to the conversation that Hendo would have trying to persuade Geraghty to rise Finians in the QM. Not sure Barry would be so impolite to tell him to shove it where the sun doesn't shine but suspect it would be along those
Finians surprised me so much at the end of last year. I thought his Arkle was a pretty poor renewal, then he scraped home against Ghizao at Aintree, when Ghizao pretty much threw that race away. Then last year he nearly lost on his reappearence when he almost fell, and then getting beat by Somersby; I didn't hold too much hope for him at Cheltenham.
Even when he won the QMCC I thought he was slightly fortunate because of how the race panned out. But after the Aintree run, he completely won me over. It was the first time I thought he properly stamped his authority on a race and showed the others who was boss, this after smashing into the rails before the race. He'd now be rated in the top 3 or 4 best national hunt horses in training for me (which imo fwiw are Sprinter, Sizing, Finians and Big Bucks)
I think the Ryanair would be at the mercy of Finians or Sizing if they went for it, and would hope the owner would put them in the race where they had the best chance of winning. The Ryanair is no second tier race any more, and the quality has improved every year.
Sorry to stray from the Overturn topic, but he could have a live chance in it in 2013!
Finians surprised me so much at the end of last year. I thought his Arkle was a pretty poor renewal, then he scraped home against Ghizao at Aintree, when Ghizao pretty much threw that race away. Then last year he nearly lost on his reappearence whe
yeh,we have strayed from the topic a tad,but just like to add:
GCW,i really not sure the money side of it is as important to this owner as the prestige,and the thought of FR beating SS might get him going a tad!! They can all say what they like about SS,but FR is the 2m champion and the owner wants to stay at that level for the horse. Yes,he will go the Gold Cup if he stays,thats the top level still,but i am sure if he dont he will defend the QM. As much as i like the Ryanair,to the owner the GC and QM are light years ahead. Dont forget also if all else fails,and SS has proved as good or better than most think he will,then they have the Ryanair the following year.
yeh,we have strayed from the topic a tad,but just like to add:GCW,i really not sure the money side of it is as important to this owner as the prestige,and the thought of FR beating SS might get him going a tad!!They can all say what they like about S
Don't like the ryanir for what it does to the qm and the gc, it gives connections a way of avoiding horses whilst giving them the chance to still win a festival race, the cue card scenario is a classic example, he should imo be running in the queen mum but will most probably swerve that for the ryanir, all it takes is for a dominant horse to reign in the 2 mile division and we are going to get 4 horses turning up for the qm and 15 in the ryannir.
Don't like the ryanir for what it does to the qm and the gc, it gives connections a way of avoiding horses whilst giving them the chance to still win a festival race, the cue card scenario is a classic example, he should imo be running in the queen m
Can anyone please explain why Simonsig is as short as 11/4 and Overturn as long as 8/1 for the Arkle..It doesnt make sense to me or have i missed something?
Can anyone please explain why Simonsig is as short as 11/4 and Overturn as long as 8/1 for the Arkle..It doesnt make sense to me or have i missed something?
11/4 before it has run over fences but who we know was a very impressive hurdler although he missed the odd one out, bit short really, but that's the SS effect for you.
11/4 before it has run over fences but who we know was a very impressive hurdler although he missed the odd one out, bit short really, but that's the SS effect for you.
Well he won the Neptune easily and then did the same at Aintree,but whether that entitles him to be that price for the Arkle before hes jumped a fence,is open to debate. Actually no it aint really,the price is nonsense.
Ive seen many a more fluent hurdler than Simonsig,so it will be very interesting to see how he fares over the big ones.
Well he won the Neptune easily and then did the same at Aintree,but whether that entitles him to be that price for the Arkle before hes jumped a fence,is open to debate.Actually no it aint really,the price is nonsense.Ive seen many a more fluent hurd
i have listened and read interviews with henderson and he thinks simonsig is the real deal. he spoke of the debate about the neptune or supreme last season and he said that he would have won either race. he also said that if he had kept him to hurdles this season that he is in no doubt that he would be a champion hurdle horse. i read his racing post stable tour and he said that him and sprinter sacre are the best working horses in his stable. in short henderson thinks simonsig is something special and if he takes to fences first time out then as much as i like and was impressed bt overturn at sandown, simonsig is going to be hard to beat come cheltenham.
i have listened and read interviews with henderson and he thinks simonsig is the real deal. he spoke of the debate about the neptune or supreme last season and he said that he would have won either race. he also said that if he had kept him to hurdle
Well we want competitive races,so lets hope Simonsig does jump ok. Still an if at this stage as you say,so we have to wait and see whether anyone taking those prices is off their rocker or not.
Well we want competitive races,so lets hope Simonsig does jump ok.Still an if at this stage as you say,so we have to wait and see whether anyone taking those prices is off their rocker or not.
Wonder why this is. Ground is probably going to dry to good to soft by tomorrow, as it was on chase debut. Can't believe it is just because Maguire couldn't ride him, as they have known that for days.
Wonder why this is. Ground is probably going to dry to good to soft by tomorrow, as it was on chase debut. Can't believe it is just because Maguire couldn't ride him, as they have known that for days.
Nothing. Can't believe no journos have found out and tweeted it. Surely the one racing question today that people want answered? Yet an hour and a half has passed and no-one knows why the defection.
Nothing. Can't believe no journos have found out and tweeted it. Surely the one racing question today that people want answered? Yet an hour and a half has passed and no-one knows why the defection.
Cheers. Soft, good to soft in places first thing this morning. Dry and sunny all day today with no more rain forecast. Not convinced it's going to be horrific conditions.
Cheers. Soft, good to soft in places first thing this morning. Dry and sunny all day today with no more rain forecast. Not convinced it's going to be horrific conditions.