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GI MAC
23 Jan 12 12:15
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Last year there were numerous threads/discussions about this horse, not so much this year - he's been looking pretty decent again. I've always had a soft spot for him and I backed him for the festival at silly prices ages ago, however I'm not so sure if I have backed him for the right race.

Which race does you think he will run in?

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By:
buddeliea
When: 23 Jan 12 12:28
toss up between CH and WH.
Gut feeling WH,but maybe if HF dont turn up,then CH?
maybe ground will decide,who knows tith mullins??!!
By:
dj876
When: 23 Jan 12 12:33
Hardly a toss up.
I'd love to get evs on him running on the world hurdleLove
By:
dj876
When: 23 Jan 12 12:33
or even in itWhoops
By:
sintonian
When: 23 Jan 12 12:58
Couldn't back him in either race tbh.

In the WH he'd not beat BB or OW

In the CH he would not be several of them.imo.
By:
roobuck
When: 23 Jan 12 13:02
Has to go the WH route, and after the w/end might consider backing him in the w/o BB market
By:
thieveslikeus
When: 23 Jan 12 13:51
People who do sectional times are confirming what my eyes are telling me, which is that this horse has tons of speed and can use it tactically, that makes him a perfect CH horse and not remotely a WH horse.  The defeat FTO this season, when he clearly needed the race confidence wise, was his only defeat ever in a regular hurdle race at distances up to 2m 5f.  He is also battle hardened enough for the CH with 20 career races under rules and 9 wins. Has to be CH for me.
By:
dj876
When: 23 Jan 12 18:22
Mullins ran him in the neptune (2m 5f) as a novice hudler not the supreme,(5yo)
Mullins ran him in the rsa chase(3m)as a novice chaser not the arkle,(7yo)
To say that is a toss up whether Mullins will run the now 8yo in champion or stayers is bizarre!
By:
buddeliea
When: 23 Jan 12 18:35
His runs this season have all been between 2 and 2 and half,and his last race at 3 he got well beat.
Based on that i think its a toss up as to which race they choose.
By:
Denman The Destroyer
When: 23 Jan 12 18:37
Ricci said yesterday its one or the other,they still havnt decided.
By:
tippu
When: 23 Jan 12 18:38
When you follow a horse and it loses it's way it's always a disappointment. Then there is the hope and anticipation of a revival. This horse is fast regaining his confidence and, I believe, is not to be underestimated. Whatever route he goes can only hope he does himself justice.
By:
BJG
When: 23 Jan 12 18:43
Looks like Mikey D is gonna get pricewised Mischief
By:
GI MAC
When: 23 Jan 12 18:44
Horse has no worthwhile form at 3miles so I'd say The Stayers is not a definite, trainer has plenty options for that race anyways. Whether he puts him up agaisnt The Fly is another matter as well. I don't think we will know until much closer, but according to owner it will be one or the other.
By:
thieveslikeus
When: 23 Jan 12 19:37
Lots of horses go on from what I still call the Sun Alliance Hurdle to the Champion, not always the next year either.  Few go on from the Supreme.  He may well have chosen to miss the Arkle as the horse was struggling to jump fences at speed.
By:
strontium
When: 23 Jan 12 22:33
Presumably Zaidpour will run in one and MDH the other.
By:
Markphisto
When: 23 Jan 12 23:18
He's very ground dependant and as ground will be at least g/t/s on day one (due to watering policy) I would imagine if he is to run at Cheltenham it would be in the CH, IMO
By:
punchestown
When: 24 Jan 12 12:22
Not the force of old since the injury imho and will struggle to win any race at the Festival,slow jumper and would be taken off its toes by the 2 milers.
By:
ChildOfMine2
When: 24 Jan 12 23:25
Interesting thoughts here....

http://starbets.ie/horse-racing/mullins-holds-the-key-to-conquering-big-bucks/
By:
thieveslikeus
When: 13 Feb 12 16:43
This fellow was mentioned in the Racing UK coverage on Sunday.  They haven't had the conversation yet as to whether MDH goes CH or WH but sounds like he definitely goes!  Expecting this one to run a big race wherever he goes as my Irish time figures(based on Raceform) show he is running faster now than when he won the Neptune.
By:
Martin pipe returns
When: 13 Feb 12 18:28
Mullins Hurdlers - I reckon:

Champion H: Hurricane Fly
Mares: Quevega
World Hurdle: Mikael, Mourad, So Young
Not run: Thousand Stars and Zaidpour
By:
thieveslikeus
When: 13 Feb 12 20:28
MDH entered in the Red Mills Hurdle at Gowran Park over 2m this Saturday.
By:
buddeliea
When: 13 Feb 12 20:34
interesting,heading for CH??
By:
GI MAC
When: 13 Feb 12 20:38
hope so, a fast 2miles is just what he needs.
By:
thieveslikeus
When: 13 Feb 12 21:02
It's not just me being insane thinking he should run in the Champion then?  As I said before, 9 wins from 11 starts over GB/Irish hurdles is a pretty potent profile, especially with valid excuses for the 2 defeats.  Meats the stats on career starts and wins that I outlined in the Zarkandar thread.  Is running very fast times.  More likely to get favoured give in the ground on day 1 too.

Too good to be true, has to run in the World Hurdle lol.
By:
buddeliea
When: 13 Feb 12 21:06
Took 170 on here ages ago,when HF had doubts,Still available at 90 if anyone fancies it.
By:
buddeliea
When: 13 Feb 12 21:09
Also backed him for WHurdle at big odds,but my gut feeling now is he goes CH.
Zaidpour i think will run in WH if ground suits.
By:
GI MAC
When: 13 Feb 12 21:10
Will Mullins run him against The Fly though?
By:
BJG
When: 13 Feb 12 21:11
Thought WPM as good as said World Hurdle last week, cant find the quote tho Plain
By:
thieveslikeus
When: 13 Feb 12 21:14
BJG - No, whoever it was said they hadn't had the conversation yet.  Maybe it depends how he does on Saturday back at 2m?

GI - Why not?  He runs others against the Fly.  2nd in the CH is better than 2nd in the WH.  And if he should somehow beat the Fly, why would Mullins care, he'd have another Champion in the bag?
By:
quantize
When: 13 Feb 12 21:15
Owner was hinting World Hurdle yesterday on ATR
By:
GI MAC
When: 13 Feb 12 21:20
i watched his interview yesterday also, said target had not been decided yet.

true enough Thieves, he has plenty for the stayers anyway.
By:
marychain1
When: 14 Feb 12 00:00
Mullins said World Hurdle? Lump on for the Champion, immediately...
By:
ACStafford
When: 14 Feb 12 00:34
Yep, I've made a vow to myself that I won't go out backing Mullins horses with multiple engagements this year until I can be certain of where they're running.
By:
thieveslikeus
When: 15 Feb 12 15:16
Also entered now at Navan Sunday in the Boyne Hurdle 2m 5f Confused
By:
thieveslikeus
When: 17 Feb 12 15:18
Runs in Boyne Hurdle.  Looks like World Hurdle then...
By:
dj876
When: 17 Feb 12 15:29
Was there ever any doubt?He wud be outpaced on the first circuit in the champion!Often horses run well in what was the sun alliance hurdle and the year after the champion but I don't recall any running in the sun alliance(neptune) hurdle,then the RSA and then champion.
It does make me laugh just cos Mullins gives MDH an entry in a 2 mile hurdle at gowran(aswell as 4 stablemates),hence he must be going for championLaugh
By:
thieveslikeus
When: 17 Feb 12 15:36
Horse is running some fabulous times without breaking a sweat but is unproven over 3m.  He has plenty of speed and he absolutely would not be outpaced in a CH!  Of course, if he gets the 3m then he is a huge player in the WH, big if though.
By:
dj876
When: 17 Feb 12 15:47
He has been impressive but beating some very moderate opposition tho imo,where did he record a "fabulous time"?
By:
thieveslikeus
When: 17 Feb 12 15:56
Punchestown and Naas, in both cases he ran 15L/mile faster than the second fastest race on the card.
By:
BJG
When: 19 Feb 12 14:26
nafc
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