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Could be a tiny field. If I was fortunate to have a 3m hurdler good enough to run at Cheltenham I'd make sure it was qualified for Pertemps Final. Avoid Big Bucks at all costs. Good luck to Oscar Whisky.
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good luck indeed....wrong race in my mind
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Before you know it, there will be a Ryanair Hurdle.
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the ideal centrepiece for a 5 day meeting...god forbid!
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makes perfect sense,big threat.
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shockster Joined: 26 Oct 05
Replies: 192 13 Jan 12 21:41 Could be a tiny field. If I was fortunate to have a 3m hurdler good enough to run at Cheltenham I'd make sure it was qualified for Pertemps Final. Avoid Big Bucks at all costs. Good luck to Oscar Whisky. place money good though. |
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Howdi fair point, but I am talking about a chance of winning. OW has a chance, but I doubt anything else has unless something unforseen happens.
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fair play to connections for giving us a race then,walkover would not be much fun.
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7/4 w/out Big Bucks with Hills is a stonking bet!
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Re the 7/4, the others in the market are:
9/2 Thousand Stars: Mullins indicated he's taking same route as last year. CH, Aintree and France 11/2 Voler la Vedette: Unlikely to come to Cheltenham according to trainer 7/1 Mourad: Probable runner, but while consistent doesn't have class of OW 7/1 So Young: Been running in egg and spoon races in Ireland this year 10/1 543: Very injury prone and probably past his best 10/1 Mikeal D: Nowhere near back to his best, winning low grade races in Ireland 12/1 Dynaste: Doubt Pipe would run him against the Champ again. So, if you take 1000 Stars, VLV and Dynaste out then 7/4 will be a huge price on the day imo. |
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Agree with that wellchief, good analysis.
As for targeting a good horse at the Pertemps???? Why would anyone touch that dog of a race with a bargepole? I'd take my chances in the Coral Cup (or even the Champion and watch my horse lose by a couple of furlongs!) |
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By: This user is online. wellchief
Date Joined: 17 Dec 09 Add contact | Send message When: 15 Jan 12 10:53 Joined: Date Joined: 17 Dec 09 | Topic/replies: 419 | Blogger: wellchief's blog Re the 7/4, the others in the market are: 9/2 Thousand Stars: Mullins indicated he's taking same route as last year. CH, Aintree and France 11/2 Voler la Vedette: Unlikely to come to Cheltenham according to trainer Where did you hear that about Voler Wellchief? Would have fancied her for the mares hurdle - just don't believe Quevega just keep on keep onturning up for her one race a year (despite having a nice touch on her last year!) Would have to agree with the rest of your comments though - well put |
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Murphy also admitted that he could be tempted to run Voler La Vedette at the Cheltenham Festival despite the reservations of her owner.
"Nothing has been written in stone with regard to the David Nicholson race but we will give her an entry and have a look at it. There are lots of options over here between Fairyhouse and Punchestown and we'll decide nearer the time." This is from last week. I always thought it was Colm Murphy who wasn't keen to bring her over, didn't realise it was the owner. Sorry Nick, I suppose she could then come over for the Mares, but would still be a non runner in the WH (she is 25/1 on here for that, so that would indicate an unlikely runner) |
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She might also run in the Champion - she's run in a couple of 2 mile Grade 1 hurdles over the last year or so as well as 2 1/2 and 3 m.
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I think OW will give BB a race tbh. And have backed accordingly NRNB mutha phuckers.
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Cheers WellC - think we agree about the value in the WH, but looks like I shouldn't get involved in the mares race until a bit nearer the time then.... ta
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I have to say 7/1 Mourad without BB looks good to me. Very consistent and rarely unplaced, could capitalise on OW if his stamina gives out and if backed EW looks like a bet to nothing.
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I'm 50/50 to do the same with So Young shockster.
7/1 ew without BB, means basically finish in the top 4. I'd probably only do about a fiver e/w so don't think its worth it to win £3.75 if he finishes in the top 4. I'm about to email a few bookies to see if I can get any bigger than 7/4 on Oscar Whisky - don't think I will though. |
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I am on 6/1 with BB Oscar for this world hdl! Am very happy with it as think i should be able to lay OW for full e/w stake in the place only market on the day! This race surely going to turn into the ultimate filthy e/way race and with the added insurance hopefully of the lay am happy!
As for small field, cannot see it, said this about last years and there was still loads of runners. Think there will still be about 20 runners this year, of course about 15 of them will be 33/1+ lol. |
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On OW to big stakes (for me anyway) at 8/1 (no nrnb) and assuming his prep goes to plan and the ground is decent I think he'll go off no bigger than 3/1 on the day so I'll be able to lay off have a very nice free bet
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Thinking about it, I'd rather do So Young ew at 20/1, so effectively 5/1 to finish in the top 3, rather than ew w/out Big Bucks at 7/1 were it is effectively under 2/1 top 4.
Definitely all about the top 2 though. Mourad on here at 46, that looks to big a price and can lay off come the day around 10/1 |
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cant see oscar at 3s with bucky in the field and he's no each way cert as he may not stay
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Uncle, where is Oscar at 8s NRNB?
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Oscar will be no bigger than 7/2 on the day, this allowing for the bad e/way liabilities this race will almost certainly become! Will be around 1/2 in the place market on here.
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I still think he should run in the Champion and be close to favourite!
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Stront.......shut up!!
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R Carver, he said No NRNB. Think 8/1 was with hills.
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Hendo quote today "But it is well worth Oscar Whisky taking on Big Buck's as there is a lot of prize money on offer and second in the World Hurdle would be better than third or fourth in a Champion Hurdle."
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NH should know where he stands with the horse regarding Champ hurdle. After all he has Grandouet, Spirit Son and Binocular. If he believes OW was better than these he would go for the Champ. Obviously he doesn't and as such will have a crack at Big Bucks. If he stays could be a great race.
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R Carver
15 Jan 12 21:13 Uncle, where is Oscar at 8s NRNB? He was 8/1 with Billies after his win on New Years Day (was still available a day or two later as well) and I highlighted it then on a couple of threads as being an outstanding betting opportunity. It was not NRNB - so if he breaks a leg at Ffos Las I'm screwed. ![]() |
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I'll just say "Punjabi".
I think it's more the case that the owner really wants a crack at Big Buck's (fair enough, it's his horse) and Hendo doens't have anything else to aim at the WH but has quite a strong group for the Champion. NJH clearly loves Spirit Son but he could be the hype horse of the season - what's this beast actually done on a raceocurse to deserve his current price in the market? Of the 4 Hendo hurdlers, a 6 l beating by Hurricane Fly (OW in the last Champion) is much the best piece of form in the book over the last year imo. |
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Howdi
15 Jan 12 20:28 cant see oscar at 3s with bucky in the field and he's no each way cert as he may not stay Grand Crus was 7/2 last year and Oscar will have a very sexy profile going into the race. The on course £10-100 punters, and your average betting shop punters aren't going to lump onto Big Bucks at 4/7 so they will back Oscars instead forcing his price down - imo anyway. I also expect Henderson and Gerraghty to have won about half a dozen races by then so hopefully there will be some momentum. ![]() |
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Well its all been said before really,its all about whether he stays well enough.March will tell us,nothing will tell us before then.
All i am bothered about is whether connections think hes worthy of running in the race when he would probably have a place chance in the CH. By his entry that tells me they think he has a serious chance. Whatever way you look at it,it certainly adds some spice and excitement to the race,no doubt. |
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Oscar Whisky was third in last year's Champion Hurdle and his trainer now feels the time is right to have a crack at the mighty Big Buck's in the Ladbrokes World Hurdle over an unchartered three miles.
"Two and half miles suits Oscar Whisky well but his next run will be over two miles as he is going to Ffos Las for the Welsh Champion Hurdle," Henderson said. "It might not be a logical route but it is obviously because Dai Walters owns him and Ffos Las and wants him there so that is where we are going to go. "He won it last year and I would like to win it again and then we will switch him from two miles to three miles for the World Hurdle and there is no great problem with that. "I can't see how he is going to win the Champion Hurdle and I wish there was a champion two and a half mile event as that would be made for him as he proved at Aintree last year. "He has been great and is improving all the time. That last win at Cheltenham was very professional, clinical and impressive so at least we might try and give Big Buck's a race - although we will be extremely unpopular if we beat him. "It will probably be the same if Long Run beats Kauto Star in the Gold Cup but it is our job to try and beat them. But it is well worth Oscar Whisky taking on Big Buck's as there is a lot of prize money on offer and second in the World Hurdle would be better than third or fourth in a Champion Hurdle. "It is the logical route to take but there is a bit of guesswork and a lot of people say he won't stay three miles. I would be surprised if he didn't." |
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Big Buck's will bid to make history in the Labrokes World Hurdle at the Cheltenham Festival in March with a fourth successive victory in the contest.
Having beaten everything in his path on the way to an undefeated run of 14 straight victories over timber, the Nicky Henderson-trained Oscar Whisky has emerged as a potential pretender to his crown. Owner Andy Stewart told sportinglife.com: "Oscar Whisky's owner Dai Walters has said why don't we split the prize money in the World Hurdle because I think I have the only horse that can beat Big Buck's. "You never know what is going to beat Big Buck's - first of all you don't know whether Oscar Whisky will go for the Champion Hurdle as he has an option of going there if Hurricane Fly for one reason or another did not turn up. "I assume Dai Walters will run him in the Welsh Champion Hurdle at Ffos Las and then we will see if he stays three miles at Cheltenham." Big Buck's' last outing in Ascot's Lough Derg Long Walk Hurdle before Christmas saw him claim another Grade 1 prize and although he ran out a supremely easy winner, the race was not wihout incident as David Pipe's Dynaste looked to have stolen an advantage after the third last. "I suppose we all had a little bit of a jitter," Stewart added. "It just slowed him up a little bit as David Pipe's horse was trying to get him beaten but as soon as he skipped over that one, he managed to do it well and Five Dream came second also for Paul Nicholls. "It was the first time Big Buck's had raced right-handed and Ruby (Walsh) said he wanted to be reasonably careful coming round the final bend. But he soon got everything under control and I am delighted that was his 14th win." Stewart has seen nothing this season to suggest that Big Buck's is not still at the peak of his powers while still enjoying every second of being involved with perhaps the greatest staying hurdler of all time. "Big Buck's has turned nine now and is a stronger horse than last year - I am not sure whether he has improved but he has certainly not gone backwards. "It is an absolute privilege owning the horse. Little kids come up and ask if they can have the autograph of "Mr Big Buck's". We obviously feel the pressure but it is an enjoyable thing when you have a horse as phenomenal as he is." |
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Thanks Sintonian / Uncle re 'non NRNB' for Oscar Whiskey - I misread it. I was just about to go and empty my bank account!
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When is Thousand Stars gonna step up in trip this season if at all? I've backed him NRNB so not too worried if he goes for the CH but really thought he'd go for and have a great chance in the WH.
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Waiting to here back from a few bookies, re Oscar Whisky w/out Big Bucks, but they are all quoting 7/4 whether its on their site or not. Was hoping someone would be brave and offer 2/1 for a single punter
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