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sintonian
08 Jan 12 17:34
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Had a cut at 20/1.

Had Colour Squadron not hung like a barndoor in the Tolworth yesterday he would be 3/3 on Soft going and a Grade 1 winner. This makes Montbazon's 1 lenght defeat on HIS debut look very good indeed, particularly as he is described as a speedy horse so could have done with quicker ground. Ericht was a further 19 lengths back in third, who also have the advantage of a previous run, so on that line of form he has the beating of Steps to Freedom.

At 20/1 he's worth a crack imo. Kingy can do no wrong at the moment, he horses have been running well all season, and hopefully Montbazon can avenge the defeat of Medermit a few years ago. AngryCry
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Report sintonian January 16, 2012 12:42 PM GMT
“We will have entries for Ascot, Wincanton and Haydock on Saturday, but Montbazon, who has had a break since he was beaten by Colour Squadron at the last Newbury meeting, needs a couple more bits of work, so it will probably be next week before he reappears.''

king's www..
Report R Carver January 16, 2012 8:15 PM GMT
There is a 2m novice hurdle next Wed 25th at Hereford and at Fontwell and Doncaster on Fri 27th (Doncaster would surely be more likely, given he has run there and it has som similarity to Newbury). The novices at Doncaster and Cheltenham on the Sat are over further and Fos Las stage one on 29th.
Report strontium January 16, 2012 9:10 PM GMT
I've read that Montbazon will only run in good races until he breaks his maiden so he would retain his novice staus for next season if he doesn't win one.
Report BJG January 22, 2012 9:37 PM GMT
Alan, who has pencilled in our highly-rated novice Montbazon for either Huntingdon on Friday or Plumpton next week



Form AK site
Report sintonian January 28, 2012 10:36 PM GMT
A treble at Cheltenham today for King & Hutchinson. Stable in much better form this season.

Interesting if Montbazon takes up his engagement at PLUMPTON on Monday. He'll be on for a big bonus should he go on and win at Cheltenham ?
Report buddeliea January 29, 2012 8:11 AM GMT
Kings gone for that before,more than once i believe.
VPU springs to mind.
Report sintonian January 29, 2012 9:54 AM GMT
Hang on .. is the Plumpton/Cheltenham bonus only eligible in the Novice Chases or is it the Novice Hurdles aswell ?
Report buddeliea January 29, 2012 9:58 AM GMT
This exciting bonus initiative, sponsored by horse racing broadcasters SIS, offers the connections of a horse that wins one of six nominated Novices CHASES at Plumpton the opportunity to scoop the valuable £60,000 cash bonus if it goes on to win any steeple chase at the Cheltenham Festival in March. It was last won by Voy Por Ustedes who won at Plumpton before going onto triumph in the Arkle Chase.

Yer right Sint,thats from the Plumpton website mate.
Report sintonian January 29, 2012 10:02 AM GMT
Yup thought so. Cheers Budd.
Report BJG January 29, 2012 7:23 PM GMT
A canter around tomorrow at Plumpton 1/10 sp????
Report strontium January 29, 2012 9:51 PM GMT
Odd. Their stated plan had been not to lose his maiden/novice status in anything less than a top race (so he'd be eligible again next season unless he won a big festival race).
Report sintonian January 30, 2012 9:15 AM GMT
I thought it odd they would want to keep such a good horse as a Noivce anyway tbh. This horse COULD turn into a CH contender so no idea why they'd want to keep him a novice.

Hopefully and most likely he'll have another run after today.
Report comingupthehill January 30, 2012 1:10 PM GMT
its form isnt that good,average chelt winner runs 6 weeks before festival,alot go to festival with a win lto,just dont think as shown nearly enough form.
Report strontium January 30, 2012 1:25 PM GMT
Well he's just run 6 weeks before the Festival and won....

Unfortunately he won as a 1/10 shot should so I'm none the wiser, except his jumping wasn't all that fluent.
Report comingupthehill January 30, 2012 1:39 PM GMT
strange he was hard at work all the way to line,didnt ease down
Report sintonian January 30, 2012 1:41 PM GMT
Lost your point there Cuth. He's just done exactly what you said the average winner does, 6 weeks and won lto.

Anyway, today was more experience for him. The third last he collided mid-air with the horse on his right but other than that he jumped fine. The form amounts to nothing as it was a poor race, but more than anything this was about experience, as he has not run for 47 days and is bound to improve for it.

One more run against better opposition next time out i'd imagine.
Report sintonian January 30, 2012 1:43 PM GMT
Cuth, I must have missed the bit where the jockey was punching and kicking for his life and using the whip ?
Report magic carpet January 30, 2012 1:44 PM GMT
Thought he was novicey at times and he  was entitled to win as he did,more will be required if he is to step up to the challange come march but as the previous post rightly points out we are generally none the wiser about his chances in the supreme
Report strontium January 30, 2012 1:44 PM GMT
Your definition of "hard at work all the way to line" is different from mine then. I know he didn't stroll all the way but he has just won by 15 l and 17 l.
Report sintonian January 30, 2012 2:27 PM GMT
Alan King's Montbazon showed exactly why he was sent off at the prohibitive odds of 1-10 in the attheraces.com Track Your Favourite Horse Maiden Hurdle at Plumpton.

Considered a live contender for the Supreme Novices' Hurdle at Cheltenham, Montbazon had finished just a length behind the smart Colour Squadron on his first start out of bumpers at Newbury.

The only brief moment of concern for Wayne Hutchinson was when Montbazon jumped to the right at the third-last and cannoned into Victor Leudorum.

But he quickly recovered to finish 15 lengths in front of that rival.

"We won't have learned a lot from that but he's a smashing horse," said King.

"I'd like to give him a bit more practice and we might look at the Listed hurdle at Exeter in a couple of weeks."
Report Can't Catch Me January 30, 2012 2:42 PM GMT
Odd choice of race today imo. Wouldnt want to be having a hard race in anything more than 2 weeks from now, but cant help but feel he is going to need a proper test to give him the best chance in the big one.

Suppose that Exeter race fits in with that plan.... but my gut feel is that they are erring on the side of caution with him instead of pitching him against the best as he isnt quite ready yet?
Report sintonian January 30, 2012 3:31 PM GMT
You could be right. King said after the race he is still an immature horse to the RP. Not what I wanted to here, but you can see he is still a bit keen in his races, especially with the high cruising speed.

As for having a hard race in Feb, I see no problem with it at this horse has not raced since November and had a mid-winter break. He could do with some toughening up imo.
Report Can't Catch Me January 30, 2012 3:37 PM GMT
I see no problem with it either mate, just that it would want to be in the next fortnight imo. Wouldnt want to be going to the Supreme with anything less than 4 weeks between runs myself, especially if he does get the tough race he probably needs.

I had a smidge on at 20's but will be surprised if he wins as it stands today.
Report sintonian January 30, 2012 4:08 PM GMT
MONTBAZON opened his account over hurdles at the second time of asking as the leading William Hill Supreme Novices' Hurdle hope had little problem accounting for his rivals.


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The Alan King-trained five-year-old was sent off a 1-10 chance for this after an encouraging second behind Colour Squadron on his hurdling debut last month, and he obliged by 15 lengths from his nearest pursuer Victor Leudorum with a further 17 lengths back to the third home Edlomond. 

Despite the margin of the win, those who took the short odds about Montbazon would have had a heart-in-mouth moment at the third last when he jumped to the right and clashed with Victor Leudorum, resulting in Wayne Hutchinson becoming momentarily unbalanced.

After that blunder it was plain sailing for Montbazon, a top-class performer in bumpers, who took it up at the bottom of the track before sauntering home with a performance which saw his Cheltenham odds clipped to 16-1 (from 20) by BetVictor.

King said: "You are on a hidingto nothing with these sorts and I usually get them beat.

"Sir Harry Ormesher, carrying the same colours, was 1-12 here once and got beaten.

"That told us nothing but it was more practice. He will have to go somewhere and we might look at the Listed novices' race at Exeter in a couple of weeks.

"He is a gorgeous horse but has been a bit immature."
Report buddeliea January 30, 2012 4:50 PM GMT
Happy with that,jumped ok and should help him come along,one more run and should hopefully be spot on when it counts.
Report stevo1 January 30, 2012 5:06 PM GMT
Personally if jumps like that has no chance in Supreme, and i have had few pounds on him imo.
Report buddeliea January 30, 2012 5:44 PM GMT
He jumped ok,but the reason hes having these races is to gain more experience and be ready for March,thats when his ok jumping may be more to your liking.
Plumpton is a tricky course for a novice as well,that will stand him in good stead.
Report sintonian January 31, 2012 12:30 PM GMT
Taken from King's website this morning. Connections sound very upbeat, but for me i'd hoping to see something a bit more next time out.

WE have done well with our excursions down to Plumpton this winter, and Montbazon made Alan’s trip to Sussex worthwhile when opening his account over hurdles there on Monday without breaking sweat.

Montbazon, who started at the prohibitive odds of 1-10, totally outclassed the opposition, and Wayne Hutchinson, who brought him home 15 lengths clear, confessed that his only moment of anxiety came at the third last when the favourite landed awkwardly and he almost came out of the side door.
     However, the heart fluttered only for a split second, and Alan, relieved to get Montbazon back on the road, made no secret how highly he rates this smart youngster.
     He said: “Montbazon was our best bumper last season and just met a good ‘un in Steps to Freedom at Aintree.
     “He had a touch of sore shins after reappearing in another bumper at Cheltenham in the autumn so we gave him a break, and he did nothing wrong when chasing home Colour Squadron on his jumping debut in testing ground at Newbury in December.
     “Colour Squadron upheld that form when only just being beaten in the Tolworth Hurdle at Sandown next time, but it was good to get Montbazon going again today.
     “He is too good a mover to have enjoyed the sort of ground that he encountered at Newbury and it was not nearly so bad at Plumpton, and, though we learned absolutely nothing there, he is a smashing horse and we are definitely thinking in terms of the Supreme Novices’ Hurdle at the Cheltenham Festival.
     “However, I would like to get another run into Montbazon to give him more match-practice, and he might go to Exeter on February 12 for a Listed Hurdle.”
Report sintonian January 31, 2012 12:32 PM GMT
Is the Listed Hurdle at Exeter they are referring to the one that Spirit Son won last season before the Supreme?
Report buddeliea January 31, 2012 12:36 PM GMT
Yep
Report sintonian February 10, 2012 8:19 PM GMT
Only 6 runners on Sunday but a trappy little contest nonetheless.

Molotof OR 147
Urbain De Sivola OR 144
Montbazon OR 140

I think I would put Molotof in as Fav here on the basis he has the edge on experience (7 runs,3 wins) and has won his last 3 races including a Listed and Grade 2.

Urbain De Sivola has been brought along steadily, typical Nick Williams, and was ultra-impressive at Newbury when easily despatching the highly regarded Ranjaan by 10 lenghts who has won twice since.

Montbazon has decent form with Colour Squadron and his last run was nothing but a schooling session.

As a Montbazon backer for the Supreme i'd be dead happy if he beat these two. And I hope he does. We'll see on Sunday!
Report Andymca February 10, 2012 8:33 PM GMT
I hope he does too mate
would make the 20/1 i got on ladbrokes look very tasty odds indeed
Report roobishisthat February 14, 2012 7:14 PM GMT
i also think montbazon is value at around 20 to 1 , will surely improve from 1st 2 runs over hurdles, better ground will suit , after watching the aintree bumper think choc thought he had the whole pack covered and didnt see steps to freedom on the inside , both horses look runners in a weak looking supreme
Report The RealDeal February 14, 2012 7:35 PM GMT
Completely agree with that roobish, I think choc got caught out and steps had first run. Just how they've both progressed since then is another matter.
Report R Carver February 16, 2012 8:18 PM GMT
Huge race tomorrow Sintonian. Absolute screamer. I think Montbzaon may have too much speed for Colour Squadron, though quite what that feeling is based on, I am a little unsure. GL.
Report Swagger February 16, 2012 10:52 PM GMT
In the interests of realism and value i think most, including my goodself, want to see Montbazon do the business tomorrow, hopefully on the bit. Good luck all.
Report stevo1 February 17, 2012 12:29 AM GMT
Wont be winning on the bit Swagger, 2 decent maybe 3 dangers who could turn him over imo.
Report sintonian February 17, 2012 8:16 AM GMT
It is R Carver. It is a class 3 hurdle but could quite easily be a graded hurdle.

I'd be hoping Mont at least reverses the form with Colour Squedron on this better ground.
Report buddeliea February 17, 2012 12:22 PM GMT
Not backing him today,so As long as he runs well i will be happy,its all about March.
Report BJG February 17, 2012 1:55 PM GMT
Love
Report buddeliea February 17, 2012 1:56 PM GMT
im happy!!
Just want i want to see,found plenty when asked.
Should put him spot on for March.
Report SN02 February 17, 2012 2:05 PM GMT
Guys ,

Can you recommend a website I can view videos of races from ? I did watch Monty live but was scrambling to get some more money on him for snh that I didn't really watch it . What did you make of the run ? Must have liked the ground a bit more .

TY in advance
Report buddeliea February 17, 2012 2:07 PM GMT
Sporting life website show all RUK races mate.
Report Andymca February 17, 2012 2:09 PM GMT
http://www.racinguk.com/
Report SN02 February 17, 2012 2:12 PM GMT
TY very much . Did you say you were going to the festival. I am going day 1 and 2 and getting slightly excited about building a decent ap portfolio up. Other than not putting 100 on sprinter sacrce @ 5-1 before it beat pc I am happy.

Did you watch Zarkander ? Reasonably impressive but I don't think Ruby will be getting off the fly
Report booster February 17, 2012 2:32 PM GMT
Montbazon crying out for a fast run race which you usually get for The Supreme and must go really close. Should travel on the bridle to the second last at least on better ground and showed today that he can find off it against a decent ex flat horse who seemed to have everything in his favour.
Report buddeliea February 17, 2012 2:37 PM GMT
SNO2,
Not sure you meant me,but anyway i aint going to Cheltenham.
And yes,Zarkander ran well,and you are right,Ruby will be on HF.
Report unclepuncle February 17, 2012 2:45 PM GMT
Good performance by Mountbazon and having Rober Thornton in the saddle is s abig positive for Cheltenham. Was a shame that Colour Squadron slithered to the ground but that sort of soft fall hopefully won't be a major negative to his chance at Cheltenham.

The pair of them look fair value to me (14.5 and 16.5 on here), especially with doubts about Simonsigs target, and, after todays nasty fall, Darlan turning up.
Report buddeliea February 17, 2012 2:47 PM GMT
Simon still has to prove he finds off the bridle for me,no worries on that score with Mont.
Hopefully Darlan is ok,and hes a threat by the looks of it.
Report sintonian February 17, 2012 2:48 PM GMT
Agree Booster. I have to say I was quited pleased with that run.

My first impression was that Colour Squadron looked like he may win before falling, but having watched a replay you can see Montbazon is just getting going and came upsides and headed CS before he took his fall. There was still 2 furlongs to run so it would have been plenty close.

And as you say, he found plenty off the bridle which is something that he has been criticised for in the past. All in all I think that was a solid run and I cant see Vulcanite reversing 7 lengths.

As for Colour Squadron .. backing a horse a Chelts on the back of a fall is not exactly ideal, but he is entitled to run well.
Report SN02 February 17, 2012 4:44 PM GMT
Yeah buddeliea I was speaking to you. Got to love Ruby . He comes out at the start of the Zarkander race saying Zarkander is ' way skinny enough in price ' . Then they ask if he will be getting off H Fly for Zarkander and he keeps in really pc' just in case he gets injured !

I was impressed by Monty , he stayed on really well and I think he should be able to at least place in the snh.
Report thedemps February 17, 2012 4:47 PM GMT
Think Montbazon needs to arrive on the scene late which should be ideal for the Supreme.  As good a chance as any IMO
Report sintonian February 17, 2012 5:19 PM GMT
Montbazon (9/4) provided Robert Thornton with a return winner in a classy renewal of the Betfair Don't Settle For Less Novices' Hurdle at Newbury on Friday.

The Alan King-trained five-year-old showed plenty of progress from his Plumpton victory last month to beat Vulcanite with seven lengths in hand.

But the result might have been very different had Colour Squadron not fallen at the second last when still going well under Richard Johnson.

Vulcanite set the pace for the first mile-and-a-half before being challenged by the eventual winner and the Hobbs novice, who threw away victory in the Tolworth Hurdle last time out.

But once Colour Squadron had departed Thornton, who only returned from a long injury absence earlier this week, was always in command.

He pulled clear on the run from the last hurdle to score impressively and put himself in the frame for a run at the Cheltenham Festival next month.

Thornton said: "I'm delighted to be back. "I think he's definitely a Cheltenham contender.

"He is a good horse, but in the past we've ridden him like a very good horse and just crept our way through.

"Today Alan said, 'None of this posing, be within a length (of the leader) at the third-last, be upsides at the second-last, and press on'.

"He just needs to be set alight these days, which is fine."

King said: "I said to Choc (Thornton), 'I don't care how well you are going, at the second-last I want you to press the horse'.

"This was to see how good he is and whether he's Cheltenham material - I think he is after that.

"He needed a bit of time. He learned at Plumpton when he won, and he has learned again."

Paddy Power now make Montbazon 7-1 second favourite, behind Simonsig, for the Supreme Novices' Hurdle.

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Report alexmillwall February 17, 2012 6:59 PM GMT
trainers comments are encouraging but i wasnt overly impressed, might lay a tad of my 20s off. no idea why vulcanite took the lead either, think a hold up ride will see it closer.
Report strontium February 17, 2012 7:03 PM GMT
I'm not wholly sure what to make of Montbazon. He won which is obviously a positive and he had a couple of decent horses behind (Vulcanite and All the Aces) who tie in with other form lines. Montbaz hurdled pretty poorly (but still won). He had to fight, and did, which is a big plus. Yet he just looked very workmanlike on the run in - maybe he lacks the necessary stamina for the supreme and I'd be surprised if there isn't something finishing better. Tough to rate that form for me.
Report sintonian February 17, 2012 7:52 PM GMT
There is a big difference in opinion between some books aswell. As low as 7/1 with PP & Korral. 12/1 elsewhere.
Report R Carver February 17, 2012 7:54 PM GMT
Inclined to agree Stront. I expected something a little flashier and was actually taken with Colour Squadron (again) who I expected to be the horse who looked least flashy.
Report buddeliea February 17, 2012 7:57 PM GMT
Dont do flashy when it comes to the Supreme,that today is how i like them in the build up.
Report SN02 February 17, 2012 8:00 PM GMT
We don't need to get too carried away with this race , The Fly and Quevega will hopefully oblige
Report sintonian February 17, 2012 8:10 PM GMT
The race today was actually the same one as what Al Ferof won last season prior to the Supreme.
Report stevo1 February 18, 2012 4:59 PM GMT
Think if ok from fall Colour Squadron may reverse placing at Festival, was travellling slighty better imo.
But have both onside for Supreme at nice prices,in wide open race.
Report roobishisthat February 18, 2012 6:31 PM GMT
i liked the performance , he jumped better and settled , he can only improve for the hurdleing experiance , a fast run race at cheltenham will suit and can see him traveling well down the hill , it will all be about him staying up the hill , a very strong condenter in my book , also darlan is a massive threat to all , ive backed both so hope the fall didnt harm him in any way
Report roobuck February 18, 2012 8:09 PM GMT
I was at Newbury and after strontium's comments I've had to watch the race again.

Having done so I am still with my initial impression that Montbazon only assumed control in the final furlong and it was his stamina that won him the race. In fact I can seriously see him running a very similar race race to Al Ferof and time will tell if that is good enough
Report roobuck February 18, 2012 8:09 PM GMT
I was at Newbury and after strontium's comments I've had to watch the race again.

Having done so I am still with my initial impression that Montbazon only assumed control in the final furlong and it was his stamina that won him the race. In fact I can seriously see him running a very similar race race to Al Ferof and time will tell if that is good enough
Report roobuck February 18, 2012 8:10 PM GMT
sorry for the double click
Report strontium February 18, 2012 8:16 PM GMT
That's true Roobuck, and I firmly believe that stamina is important to win any Festival race. But I thought/think Montbazon stayed on well rather than finsihed strongly (if that doesn't sound stupid). He looked like he was treading water on what must have been pretty good ground. As you'll say, we'll see. I don't have a strong preference for the Supreme yet and he might be the one - but he wasn't outstanding.
Report sintonian February 18, 2012 8:32 PM GMT
It's interesting that King thinks he wants better ground. For me, when he made his hurdling debut behind Colour Squadron, he travelled and jumped really nice of the official Soft ground.
Report booster February 19, 2012 5:19 AM GMT
He jumped and travelled like the best horse in that race but couldn't pick up in the soft ground which was why I backed him for Cheltenham. Very interesting King's post race comments re his instructions to the jockey. The horse has been ridden as though he was Shergar in every race but they taught him more this time and I think he was better for it and they now know how to ride him.
Report sintonian March 11, 2012 5:29 PM GMT
ALAN KING has indicated that Montbazon, who kick-starts our Cheltenham Festival raid in Tuesday’s curtain-raiser, the Supreme Novices’ Hurdle, could be one of our best chances of the week.

Expressing himself “very happy” with the form of his squad for the biggest four days in NH racing, Alan said on Sunday: “Apart from Grumeti, who worked on Saturday morning, having had that little hiccup, all our Cheltenham horses had their last major gallop last Wednesday, and I must say that nothing is going there in better form than Montbazon.
     “Montbazon and Smad Place worked exceptionally well. Montbazon has improved so much since he won his prep-race at Newbury, and his work at home has been unbelievable, while, though Smad Place has it to do against Big Buck’s in the World Hurdle, his work has been a revelation compared to what it was last season, and he just seems a different horse. If he could finish third or fourth it would be absolutely fantastic.”
     Of the others, Alan said that Grumeti is back on track for the Triumph Hurdle on Friday, observing “he only missed one day’s cantering for that pricked foot, so there are no worries on the score of fitness, and I am very laid-back as to which Choc rides. He can decide Thursday morning if he wishes – Wayne (Hutchinson) has won on Grumeti and Balder Succes, so it does not matter which way ‘Choc’ jumps.”
     Alan also indicated that Medermit would “probably” run in the Ryanair Chase on Thursday rather than the Gold Cup 24 hours later.
     He added: “Medermit is 7-1 for the Ryanair and 33’s for the Gold Cup, so it makes sense to lean that way and unless one of the big guns drop out of the Gold Cup, I would think we will be running on Thursday. I am dying to try Medermit over three miles, but I am not so sure about three and a quarter at what is bound to be a furious pace.”
Report sintonian March 11, 2012 5:30 PM GMT
Fingers crossed! ExcitedHappy
Report Andymca March 11, 2012 5:44 PM GMT
yep
its always good to get the festival off to a flying start with an ante-post winner
Report Andymca March 11, 2012 7:13 PM GMT
Alan King believes Montbazon, who runs in the opening William Hill Supreme Novices' Hurdle on Tuesday, is one of his stable's best hopes of success at the four-day Cheltenham Festival.

The Barbury Castle trainer has a decent team for jump racing's biggest meeting and reports his squad to be raring to go.

"Apart from Grumeti, who worked on Saturday morning, having had that little hiccup, all our Cheltenham horses had their last major gallop last Wednesday, and I must say that nothing is going there in better form than Montbazon," he told alankingracing.co.uk.

"Montbazon and Smad Place worked exceptionally well. Montbazon has improved so much since he won his prep-race at Newbury, and his work at home has been unbelievable, while, though Smad Place has it to do against Big Buck's in the World Hurdle, his work has been a revelation compared to what it was last season, and he just seems a different horse.

"If he could finish third or fourth it would be absolutely fantastic.

"Grumeti only missed one day's cantering for that pricked foot, so there are no worries on the score of fitness, and I am very laid-back as to which 'Choc' (Robert Thornton) rides (in the Triumph Hurdle).

"He can decide Thursday morning if he wishes - Wayne (Hutchinson) has won on Grumeti and Balder Succes, so it does not matter which way 'Choc' jumps."
Report unclepuncle March 11, 2012 7:25 PM GMT
If Choc isn't on Grumeti I'll eat my hat.Laugh

Hope Montbazon gets the week off to a flyer.Grin
Report Numismatist March 11, 2012 7:59 PM GMT
Good luck Sint. Market speaking very positively for you.
Report buddeliea March 11, 2012 8:07 PM GMT
nice to see the trainer confident and ratyer bullish about his horse,gives me confidence in getting off to a good start.
bl00dy tough race though!!
Report roobuck March 11, 2012 8:30 PM GMT
Good luck with this one sint. With you at 20s and whilst he won't be my biggest winner in the race, if he wins it sure would be a good start to the week. Good early pick as well
Report bristoldoug March 12, 2012 8:38 AM GMT
Im on at 12s but like others have said - this looks a very Tough race. Still the trainer confidence is positive - and I remember seeing the Morning Line a few weeks ago and someone mentioning Montbazon then, said it was possibly the King stables best chance of a winner.
Report unclepuncle March 12, 2012 10:01 AM GMT
Have always had the feeling he'll get placed rather than win - just hope I'm wrong.
Report JOCI Club March 12, 2012 10:12 AM GMT
That's my slight concern. He looks a decent battler though and won't shirk the hill (if he's close enough).
Report Andymca March 12, 2012 10:46 AM GMT
Ante-post favourite Darlan will face 18 rivals in Tuesday's Supreme Novices' Hurdle at Cheltenham.

Nicky Henderson's starlet fell on his most recent start at Newbury but along with jockey Tony McCoy has recovered well enough to take his place in the traditional curtain raiser.

Also taking part in the two mile contest will be Vulcanite and Hazy Tom, trained by former Henderson assistant Charlie Longsdon, whilst Paul Nicholls will saddle the Graham Wylie-owned Prospect Wells who will be ridden by Ruby Walsh.

Philip Hobbs runs Colour Squadron, Alan King Montbazon and Donald McCain will rely on Cinders And Ashes as well as Agent Archie, with stable jockey Jason Maguire riding the former.

A strong Irish challenge will be led by Jessica Harrington's Steps To Freedom, and includes Willie Mullins' trio of Midnight Game, Allure Of Illusion and Simenon as well as Distant Memories, Trifolium and Galileo's Choice.

The field will be completed by David Pipe's Catch Tammy, Noel Meade's Dylan Ross and Tim Vaughan's Jimbill.
Report sintonian March 12, 2012 4:53 PM GMT
Could be right Uncle. He does have class but possibly there is another with more.

Reminds me of Al Ferfor in a way in that he stayed on strongly last time at Newbury so the quicker they go here the better.

Good luck all.
Report judorick March 12, 2012 4:57 PM GMT
fingers crossed for that sint
Report Swardean March 13, 2012 10:28 AM GMT
Bit of a backtrack from Alan this morning:-

Assessing our “three muskateers” for the opening day, Alan said: “I have never made any secret how highly I rate Montbazon (Supreme Novices’ Hurdle), but equally I have always gone out of my way to stress that I am still not sure that he is yet the finished article and that he will improve again for a summer on his back.
     “However, there is no doubt that he has come on again since winning his prep-race so impressively at Newbury, and his subsequent work and schooling has been exemplary.
     “At the back of my mind is the feeling that at this stage of his career he just might find one or two too good, but I could not be happier with him and I will be disappointed if he is not in the mix at the finish.
Report charwell. March 13, 2012 11:01 AM GMT
I cannot fathom why he is half the price of Colour Squadron when the latter was going the better at Newbury and has already beaten him.Surprised Not saying he can't win but he makes zero appeal at the prices compared to CS.

In a wide open contest I think value lies in Tetlami & Colour Squadron.
Report unclepuncle March 13, 2012 1:49 PM GMT
Went exactly as I expected - close but no cigar Cry
Report maggot March 13, 2012 1:51 PM GMT
Did he get 4th ?
Report BJG March 13, 2012 2:04 PM GMT
Yup was 4th of course Plain
Report El Gran Senor March 13, 2012 2:14 PM GMT
He was never jumping with any fluency today. Would have been much closer even won if he did.
Report unclepuncle March 13, 2012 2:16 PM GMT
His jumping was very poor - he's such a nice physical specimen that he might be crying out for fences.

Wouldn't mind a tasty price (40/1+ say) on next years Arkle.
Report sintonian March 13, 2012 3:15 PM GMT
Doubt you would get 40's Uncle.

He didn't jump at least 3 hurdles very well and the last flight was particularly galling as he cost him a place. Beaten a head into 4th so absolutley gutted.

Still, he has a fair engine to jump like that and go pretty close to winning. Might be one for the Arkle next year if he improves physically (most likely) and fences bring the best out in him.
Report unclepuncle March 13, 2012 3:40 PM GMT
I always felt he was lacking the star quality to win - mind you I'd have said the same about the winner. He also looks more of Aintree type so maybe get our money back there.
Report sintonian March 13, 2012 3:52 PM GMT
Yeah possibly though they will need to improve his jumping. Lost a few lengths in total throughout the race from not being fluent. Definate future potential though i'd say.

Hoping Grumeti will get the money back tbh.
Report booster March 13, 2012 4:47 PM GMT
One day he's going to mature into a very good race horse but you don't win anything at Cheltenham if you can't jump and he's still learning.
Report roobuck March 13, 2012 7:20 PM GMT
Unlucky re the place guys - I only had the win, same with Darlan CryCry
Report sintonian March 13, 2012 7:24 PM GMT
Does anyone know what price he was in-running ?
Report sintonian September 4, 2012 6:44 PM BST
Hurdles or Fences for this beautiful beast? I noticed a few hundred quid has been matched at 90/1 for the Champion Hurdle.
Report R Carver September 4, 2012 6:47 PM BST
Sintonian, oddly enough I was studying some tapes watching this horse last week. The same question ocurred to me and I thought about you! Not sure he will be CH class, and he has scope to burn, so fences? In his bumper year he looked like he has speed to burn; less so I thought last year.
Report sintonian September 4, 2012 6:53 PM BST
I can quite see the appeal of sticking to hurdles R Carver. There look to be several reasons why he may improve. He was quite keen in his races as a novice, he wasn't the cleanest of jumpers, and he still has some growing to do. Now he is out of novice company and has some experience on his side, not to mention decent form in the book, I can envisage a great deal of improvement.

I still like this horse. It is not a blindspot. I do think he's destined for a good season. He will be in my TTF list as a bit of a dark horse as I think a lot of people will take the view he is all hype, which is right to agree, but not if you look closely enough. He has a big ticket to improve.
Report R Carver September 4, 2012 7:00 PM BST
I can see him improving, I believe King last yr intimated that he had never really put the gun to his head because he wanted a horse for the future (possibly in the Weekender). They may also take teh view that the Champion will cut up and a changing of the guard is due. I think both of those are possibly correct, so I agree there may be value in it. I think the Supreme was a poor race, hardly a cig paper between them, but of the main protagonists I like him maybe most (especially when over a fence).
Report cyclops September 12, 2012 1:05 PM BST
If you look at the Supreme, he hardly jumped a hurdle fluently. Had he done better in that respect, he may well have won, although there were other "what if's" in that race as well. The trainer said all along he wasnt sure whether he was quite ready for the Festival and, despite that, he ran a cracker. Yes, heaps of improvement and a lot worse odds on offer for the Champion. I've nibbled at around 90/1 and look forward to seeing what route is taken.
I feel sure that Alan King will have a Champion prospect this season and this one, Grumeti and Balder Succes are all worth keeping in mind.
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