Cheltenham Festival
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At 7/1 he looks as good an antepsts bet for the Festival as I can see right now. Tough, consistent, never seems injured, great festival form, goes on any ground, etc, etc.
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I completley agree, but thought he was cut to 4/1 after today ?
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7/1 with WH and a bit over that on here Sint.
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OK.
He's being campaigned identically as his Novice season, i.e stays over 2 miles whilst the going is soft, then stepped up in trip in March when the going is decent. If Nolan was a little more, shall I say, reliable, in terms of ante-post, then 7/1 would look good. I dont blame him for not coming over for the PP, but he defintiely put punters away re Joncol in the Henessy imo. |
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7/1 with BS and WH and 15/2 on here
I have had some, with MM out thats a great price imvho |
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He looks certain to run in the race barring injury (and he is going straight there according to Nolan) which is more than can be said for many others. The only form danger I see is Captain Chris but he may be aimed elsewhere - maybe worth a stakes saver at 12/1 all the same.
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The 3 time festival winning reigning double champion who comes to life mid March is of course no danger at all.
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^ being sarcastic or not ? I thought he was out injured for the season,
Uncle, what did Nolan say today then after the race ?? I might take some of the 7/1 but wonder if they'll aim for the CC |
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Yes a tad Sint, I hadn't heard of any injury. Big fan of the animal, hence the strop at him getting disregarded
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I think he got injured in the Old Roan first time out this season.
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I read on RP they hoping to get him fit for defence... that was dated 3rd Nov tho
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OK fair enough. Still not an ideal preparation though imo.
Despite having some reservations about Noble Prince 100% going for the Ryanair, as they may fancy their chances in the QMCC after running BZ so close today, i've decided to take some 7/1 also |
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Definitely going for the Ryanair as far as I know Sint - and thta has been the plan all season despite running in all the 2m races in Ireland. Did the same last year as well.
Runner up Noble Prince is likely to be aimed at the longer Ryanair Chase at the Cheltenham Festival. His trainer Paul Nolan said: "I thought for a few strides between the last two fences we might have the winner's measure, buthe was that bit too good. His target will by the Ryanair Chase, but I'm not sure he'll run again before that." |
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Taken from sporting life website
Paul Nolan said of the runner-up: "We were beaten by a better horse on the day but I was happy that he galloped to the line better than he did at Navan. "The Ryanair Chase is definitely his race at Cheltenham. "He probably won't have a run before then. The Tied Cottage Chase is the only race between now and then and it is a week later this year." |
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If it were nrnb I'd be remortgaging and literally having the house on him as he can't be bigger than 7/2 on the day, and on decent ground, if Captain Chris goes elsewhere he could be less than 2/1.
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The thing is, as we know, he is crying out for the step up in trip. He was sent off 9/4 for the Prix Di Cadran on the flat ffs so it's all credit to him that he can mix it with the best over 2 miles. A measurement of his class. My only concern would be if we get a soft ground Cheltenham and they re-routed to the QMCC.
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Well this is difficult for me to say on a Noble Prince for the Ryannair tip page...
But think he is an awful bet for Cheltenham...think the form of his Jewson (grade 2) is now looking very dubious and should be treated with caution...also think think he maybe better at shorter trips and the Ryannair isn't the place to be found wanting in the staying department as the previous winners will tell you... I can see him however going off a lot shorter than the 7's with people buying into last years Cheltenham form...and the fact he is a spring horse and better ground will suit, he could go as short as 7-2, 3-1 mark come the day so there is a price edge...for me I would like to see him stay at the minimum trip but it doesn't seem likely.... Uncle Puncle you say the only danger you see is Captain Chris interesting point of view that... I don't see it that way...can't say I have got involved yet but will be with this horse likely to be taking up plenty of the market... On the other plus side apart from the price edge his trainer can ready one...and he may go short in the run, that is when I will get involved... Be lucky with your bet though Uncle Punkle... |
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Good to know you don't fancy him Harry - I've just doubled my stake accordingly
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races like the Ryan Air often come down to who is up for it on the day. There will be a bunch of horses (I imagine) all within 10lbs of each other on form. Trying to predict it now looks decidedly tricky in December! I do like Noble Prince though
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Good stuff punkle be lucky
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Its the annual Albertas Run forgotten horse thread,wondering when one would turn up!!
Happens every year,and every year........ Admittedly he has had a setback,but if they get him back as intended for a spring campaign,hes a major threat,as he is the proven best horse at cheltenham over 2m5. |
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Harry, even if his form from last seasons Jewson has not worked out(yet), running Big Zeb to half a length over an inadequate trip is good enough. It shows the horse is in great form.
But I agree with Judo in the the Ryainair can be a dicey race to bet in, due to it's nature of filling the void for horses who dont have the speed for 2 miles and those who wont get the Gold Cup trip. |
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If Riverside Theatre can get over his setback I think he is the one to beat, even though Cheltenham may not be his course.
Noble Prince is worthy fav at the moment though. I really like Rubi Light but I'm hoping he goes for the Gold cup. |
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Kauto Stone was impressive at Down Royal then second over 2 miles to sizing Europe and I'd see that as stronger form with the promise of more to come after a rest. The thing in Noble Prince's favour is his course form but can't see why Kauto Stone won't go at Cheltenham. Also think Great Endeavour bound to go well in this.
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So unfair that people continue to ignore Albertas Run,hes won it twice now and every time theres always another horse thats going to win the race,never him.
Poquelin touted last year,and i think the year before,even though hes a handicapper and now Great Endeavour is mentioned,handicapper as well. Kauto Stone fair enough,hes just ran well against the best 2 miler around,and Noble Prince has just ran well,fair enough also. Riverside Theatre mentioned,aint been seen this year yet,and aint a Chelt horse imo I guess some horses are just not fashionable or whatever,but imo its totally unfair to blatantly ignore the horse,especially with his proven record in the race. Bang out of order in fact. Ok hes had a setback,but if hes fit it should be acknowledged that hes the one to beat,imo. |
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I think it's just that he's injured Budd, and doubtful to make the race. I've got enromous respect for him, but he has to be fit.
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Budd, The horse is injured, whilst that remains the case, it is pointless discussing him. Not much more to say than that really.
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I'd not rule out Great Endeavour either. I wonder how many people labelled Imperial Commander a ''handicapper'' before he won??!
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Great Endeavour is a fair shout. Festival form always a plus and def improved.
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He werent injured last year,same thing then,and the year before.
Ok,Sint,stront,i repect you guys,and if its just cos hes injured that he aint being mentioned-fair enough. Apologies. |
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Imperial Commander had one handicap as far as i recall,GE must have had a dozen i should think,big difference.
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Budd, I think its abit over the top to say its "bang out of order" that Albertas hasn't been mentioned.
Nobody is knocking him, and he is well respected, its just because he isn't really on peoples radar because he hasn't ran for ages and is a doubt for the festival. I think this years Ryanair is stronger than last years with young horses like Noble Prince, Captain Chris (maybe), Kauto Stone and a more experienced Rubi Light, rather than the more exposed ones that ran in last years like Kalahari King, Poquelin, Voy Por etc. I think Riverside Theatre is the best 2m4f horse in the UK and Ireland. Fair do's, I admit he didn't put in his best performance in the Arkle, but he has only ran once at the track, so no real evidence to say he doesn't act at Cheltenham; although other courses may be more favourable. I also haven't backed him, and won't until I know of his wellbeing. It wouldn't bother me if nodoby considered Albertas, just means you might get a better price in March  |
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Already backed him mate,before the injury.
Will only back him again if he turns up on the day. Yeh,i guess i was a bit OTT,but its always been the case with this one it appears to me,injured or not. |
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It would take a mad man to rule out Alberats if he lined up fit and well. But it's fair to say he preparation wont be perfect even if he does make it back to the track this season.
It does look quite a strong race this year, plenty of horses running it with genuine aspirations and proven form of being Grade 1 class. |
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AR goes well fresh, if he makes the race I would probably expect an acceptable price on the day. Owes me a deal less than nothing, hope the old boy makes it in rude health!
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Jessie's Dream a possible fly in the ointment. Seems to be being trained for the second half of the season and Grade 1 winning form over 2 1/2 miles but seems stretched at the top level over 3 miles.
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Johnson doesn't have another Gold Cup horse does he, but he does have a ready made Ryanair horse in Great endeavour.
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I can confirm that owner is bullish about ryanair and ploughed into it at 8/1 on **** last week.
He told me last january to get stuck on noble prince for Jewson which I did. His information is always good and he believes noble is best at 2.5 miles off a good gallop. Interestingly the one horse he was slightly concerned about was his sons horse Realt Dubh. |
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When is RD due back?^^
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mid feb - dont know where but ryanair is their aim
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