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Improved throughout last season, even on good ground, prefers soft according to trainer, but has proved now goes on any ground. If they improve him, still lightly raced could be contender for Gold Cup 2012?
In open year if you take out Long Run, any thoughts?
In open year if you take out Long Run, any thoughts?
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Duffy - that's my one reservation, he might lack a little bit of toe, and be left too much to do. Having said that, he went round Aintree all right on decent ground and that would be more of a spped track wouldn't it?
sizing stays .6 miles come on edward come the gold cup back to a winnable distance 
i suppose joci......i couldn't have it in front of long run though......as much as some suggest that denman and kauto were past their best last year....with long run the reverse is true.....he is still getting to his best....i was against long run all last year but he's converted me....a machine.
One massive worry for me with this horse is the whip rules tbh
Can this win with 8 or less smacks?? No imvho
Can this win with 8 or less smacks?? No imvho
I don't realistically see him as a Gold Cup winner, rather one for the likes of the Lexus and Irish Hennessy.
BJG 05 Nov 11 14:44
One massive worry for me with this horse is the whip rules tbh
Can this win with 8 or less smacks?? No imvho
Gold cup at stake, don't think they'd care how much he got smacked
One massive worry for me with this horse is the whip rules tbh
Can this win with 8 or less smacks?? No imvho
Gold cup at stake, don't think they'd care how much he got smacked
Think hes the ideal type for 3m 2f round Cheltenham,imo its a case of whether he and indeed the rest of the staying novices of last season are up to beating the top GC horses,of which really theirs only one,Long Run.
U see Davys interview on atr last week, all davy cares about is his %
He would nt be willin to lose it imo unless he had an agreement with Mr O Leary b4 hand to compensate him
He would nt be willin to lose it imo unless he had an agreement with Mr O Leary b4 hand to compensate him
echo the thoughts of long run not being beatable.
the recent exploits of kauto star and best mate have disguised the fact that it's awfully hard to win a gold cup more than once. multiple gold cup winners are a rare breed indeed.
love this horse, really solid and aintree form was boosted today by the second winning at carlisle.
the recent exploits of kauto star and best mate have disguised the fact that it's awfully hard to win a gold cup more than once. multiple gold cup winners are a rare breed indeed.
love this horse, really solid and aintree form was boosted today by the second winning at carlisle.
sorry meant "echo the thoughts of long-run not being unbeatable"
although perhaps it was a freudian slip
although perhaps it was a freudian slip
how does sarando beating aikman and cross kennon equate to a realistic form boost for quito re: gold cup?.....also if sarando got beat it would have meant little
Not a bad bet at 20/1 each way, cant help thinking that on goodish ground he would be outpaced and run on for 3rd or 4th.
If it came up a bog however his chance would improve massively.
If it came up a bog however his chance would improve massively.
bit of a plodder for me!!!
dont give him much chance of winning a GC!
dont give him much chance of winning a GC!
I'm not convinced he's got the pace to win a Gold Cup...he'd be left with too much to do turning for home, and while Saturday was an amazing performance to win the way he did, horses in the Gold Cup won't be stopping the way Sizing Europe did.
I'd send him to the National. Course form, will stay the trip, will have to lug top weight around no doubt about that, but his style suggests you could tie him to a bus and he'd still get home!
I'd send him to the National. Course form, will stay the trip, will have to lug top weight around no doubt about that, but his style suggests you could tie him to a bus and he'd still get home!
made for the welsh national isn't he......apart from the number of back handers he might need.
Good shout!
I'm going to believe that come Cheltenham & Aintree, deals will be done with jockey's in that if they have to break the rules to get a horse home, they'll do so knowing they'll be paid a bonus to compensate their loss of earnings during a ban!
I'm going to believe that come Cheltenham & Aintree, deals will be done with jockey's in that if they have to break the rules to get a horse home, they'll do so knowing they'll be paid a bonus to compensate their loss of earnings during a ban!
Bit early in his Career to be considering the National ffs,he was only a novice last season!!
also dwm767 how does he have course form?
The national Course and the Mildmay course couldnt be any different!!
also dwm767 how does he have course form?
The national Course and the Mildmay course couldnt be any different!!
i keep reading that Quito is a plodder,bit confused by that to be honest.He has won his last 5 races over 3m i believe,2 of which were on good ground and i think one of them was a grade 1. That aint plodding in my book.
I can only think that cos he got outpaced by 2 faster horses at shorter distances,one of which is the reigning Ch 2 miler,then people think hes a plodder.And it was his first race this season.
If thats the case i find it unfair on the horse,and quiet frankly a tad laughable.
I can only think that cos he got outpaced by 2 faster horses at shorter distances,one of which is the reigning Ch 2 miler,then people think hes a plodder.And it was his first race this season.
If thats the case i find it unfair on the horse,and quiet frankly a tad laughable.
Always prominent, jumped slightly left throughout, left in front 11th, ridden clear entering straight, kept on well from last (op 3/1 tchd 9/2)
Thats his Grade 1,which he won by 14l.
That dont describe a plodder to me.
Thats his Grade 1,which he won by 14l.
That dont describe a plodder to me.
think this horse is good in his own rite , but i feel hes a bit of a plodder, which dont win gold cups! hahah
buddeliea
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i keep reading that Quito is a plodder,bit confused by that to be honest.He has won his last 5 races over 3m i believe,2 of which were on good ground and i think one of them was a grade 1. That aint plodding in my book.
I can only think that cos he got outpaced by 2 faster horses at shorter distances,one of which is the reigning Ch 2 miler,then people think hes a plodder.And it was his first race this season.
If thats the case i find it unfair on the horse,and quiet frankly a tad laughable.
Excellent post bud,agree 100%,particularly your point about him been outsped by a champion chase winner
08 Nov 11 17:44 Joined: 19 Mar 04 | Topic/replies: 4,155 | Blogger: buddeliea's blog
i keep reading that Quito is a plodder,bit confused by that to be honest.He has won his last 5 races over 3m i believe,2 of which were on good ground and i think one of them was a grade 1. That aint plodding in my book.
I can only think that cos he got outpaced by 2 faster horses at shorter distances,one of which is the reigning Ch 2 miler,then people think hes a plodder.And it was his first race this season.
If thats the case i find it unfair on the horse,and quiet frankly a tad laughable.
Excellent post bud,agree 100%,particularly your point about him been outsped by a champion chase winner
He also got outpaced in last years Fort Laney at Leopordstown, (race won by Bostons Angel, you can check it out on ATR). He was staying on well at the finish but had just left himself with too much to do so it's not like Down Royal was a once off.
Down Royal first run of season, and after a publicised setback, and running against the 2m champion chaser. I'd pretty much have expected that. His form since the Fort Laney might suggest he's improved a fair bit.
Final run last season, didn't look particularly one paced to me.
Time will tell I guess.
Final run last season, didn't look particularly one paced to me.
Time will tell I guess.
Quiet like horses that are staying on well in a Gold Cup,its a 3m 2f race round Cheltenham.Anyway I dont imagine too many going off leaving him for dead in that race.
QDLR is a thorugh stayer imo. But this is what you want in 3m chases on soft ground in Ireland.
But this has been a characterisitc in many of his races. Look at his run when he beat Royal De La Thinte. Coming off the bend he looked beaten but rallied and stayed on strongly.
But this has been a characterisitc in many of his races. Look at his run when he beat Royal De La Thinte. Coming off the bend he looked beaten but rallied and stayed on strongly.
There is one piece of form that absolutlely shows up the strong preference for soft ground the horse needs to show his best and its a race that people are pointing to, to show the horse in a positive light!!...well as far as competing at gold cup level i disagree.
His run at aintree that had him scrapping to beat sarando a head and golan way another couple of lengths behind is a country mile below gold cup form...if you watch the race he travelled about 4 or 5 lengths behind the pace and although he wasn't strongly pressed to maintain that position, you got the impression that any quicker and he'd have been in trouble, and this is a golan way pace not a long run pace.
In the end his raw ability and lack of competition enabled him to get home but on quicker ground in this race i believe his performance was a long way off what he'd show on slower ground.But if you want to point to that run on quicker ground as a positive you can't ignore the actual form line itself with him struggling to beat inferior horses....and consequently you have to relate that to gold cup opposition in only a negative light.
As for last saturday, yes he was outpaced by the champion chaser but sizing wasn't running at champion chase pace was he and anyway, he was also outpaced by midnight chase too wasn't he, who had laid up with sizing for much of the race and although by four out he was absolutley knackered when quito pretty much caught him it still took him another two fences before he finally got past.
But as i said it really is that aintree line of form on quicker ground that really shows the gulf between the likes of him and long run.
His run at aintree that had him scrapping to beat sarando a head and golan way another couple of lengths behind is a country mile below gold cup form...if you watch the race he travelled about 4 or 5 lengths behind the pace and although he wasn't strongly pressed to maintain that position, you got the impression that any quicker and he'd have been in trouble, and this is a golan way pace not a long run pace.
In the end his raw ability and lack of competition enabled him to get home but on quicker ground in this race i believe his performance was a long way off what he'd show on slower ground.But if you want to point to that run on quicker ground as a positive you can't ignore the actual form line itself with him struggling to beat inferior horses....and consequently you have to relate that to gold cup opposition in only a negative light.
As for last saturday, yes he was outpaced by the champion chaser but sizing wasn't running at champion chase pace was he and anyway, he was also outpaced by midnight chase too wasn't he, who had laid up with sizing for much of the race and although by four out he was absolutley knackered when quito pretty much caught him it still took him another two fences before he finally got past.
But as i said it really is that aintree line of form on quicker ground that really shows the gulf between the likes of him and long run.
Of course the gulf is there hes a novice or was,but that gulf could well be a lot different come March.
The extra 2 furlongs and Cheltenham will imo suit him down to the ground,and if hes running on strongly the leaders need to be a fair way in front,they may be but then again maybe not.
The race the other day which a lot keep referring to was 2 furlongs less at Down Royal,totally different to Cheltenham Gold Cup conditions and we dont even know how fit he was!!
Look,we all know about Long Run,but i aint for one minute gonna stop looking for other candidates,and imo Quito could well be one.
The extra 2 furlongs and Cheltenham will imo suit him down to the ground,and if hes running on strongly the leaders need to be a fair way in front,they may be but then again maybe not.
The race the other day which a lot keep referring to was 2 furlongs less at Down Royal,totally different to Cheltenham Gold Cup conditions and we dont even know how fit he was!!
Look,we all know about Long Run,but i aint for one minute gonna stop looking for other candidates,and imo Quito could well be one.
More decorated horses have struggled just as much to beat inferior rivals at Aintree such as Imperial Commander, Denman and even Kauto. Granted, these runs have come after exploits in a Gold Cup but you can't tell me that 3m round Aintree is anything near as stamina sapping as a 3 1/4 mile Gold Cup at Cheltenham.
I think Quito will be fine and is bound to be involved granted an honest gallop and a bit of juice in the ground. He wasn't fully wound up at Down Royal and you could see after they jumped the last that Davy Russell was merely keeping him within striking distance as once he really went for him he picked up and in the end won cosily. The Sarando win (as pointed out above) has to be considered a boost of sorts also as before the Aintree Grade 2 that one's form didn't really stack up amazingly and his proximity was seen to be detrimental to the form. But he did it really nicely in a race that has thrown up a few classy sorts in the past.
Not saying I fancy him strongly for the big one, but just because we have been treated to some really special staying chasers in recent years doesn't mean we should write one off who is an old fashioned type. Especially when he has won 7 of his last 8 including a Grade 2 on a speed track and a Grade 1 on quickish ground by 14 lengths!
Will have been a while since Ireland have had such a genuine contender and to be fair, they are due one.
I think Quito will be fine and is bound to be involved granted an honest gallop and a bit of juice in the ground. He wasn't fully wound up at Down Royal and you could see after they jumped the last that Davy Russell was merely keeping him within striking distance as once he really went for him he picked up and in the end won cosily. The Sarando win (as pointed out above) has to be considered a boost of sorts also as before the Aintree Grade 2 that one's form didn't really stack up amazingly and his proximity was seen to be detrimental to the form. But he did it really nicely in a race that has thrown up a few classy sorts in the past.
Not saying I fancy him strongly for the big one, but just because we have been treated to some really special staying chasers in recent years doesn't mean we should write one off who is an old fashioned type. Especially when he has won 7 of his last 8 including a Grade 2 on a speed track and a Grade 1 on quickish ground by 14 lengths!
Will have been a while since Ireland have had such a genuine contender and to be fair, they are due one.
i'll stand by what i said above and provided pandorama stays sound i would be disappointed if he doesn't see off quito in ireland this winter.....quito just screams out dour stayer to me....in his races he always looks to be on the verge of being in a spot of trouble on soft ground...late on his undoubted class sees him through, so far at least although you could argue that aside from last time , the one time he ran against a horse that could be considered a genuine gold cup prospect in bostons angel he got beat
Look at pandorama on the other hand , another soft ground horse but one that travels far more fluently through his races but even with him at the festival on quicker ground....absolutely mullered. The sarando run does show the inadequecies in the horse, forget long run even....there would be a number of 3 mile quick ground horses that would have had quito struggling in that race.
Look at pandorama on the other hand , another soft ground horse but one that travels far more fluently through his races but even with him at the festival on quicker ground....absolutely mullered. The sarando run does show the inadequecies in the horse, forget long run even....there would be a number of 3 mile quick ground horses that would have had quito struggling in that race.
duffy - someone is insisting Pandorama is injured on the thread about horses out for the season.
joci
you did advise treating with caution...should have listened....that's my assault on the irish races up the swanee
you did advise treating with caution...should have listened....that's my assault on the irish races up the swanee
I've not actually seen any confirmation of this yet though, so there may still be hope for you.
Sir Arry,
Ireland have a few Gold Cup contenders this season and they could well be the biggest threat to Long Run.
Quito,Bostons,Jessies and Quel all in with chances in my view.
Ireland have a few Gold Cup contenders this season and they could well be the biggest threat to Long Run.
Quito,Bostons,Jessies and Quel all in with chances in my view.
i was thinking the same joci....that post went up on sunday....the stable would have had all day yesterday to announce it but i can't find anything at all.
Gutted about pandorama...noel meade....
"At this stage, i'd say that he won't run this season as i am a little bit worried about him. I just don't think it is worth the risk. It is a blow alright and i suppose if we can get him back for next year, that is probably all we can hope for".
"At this stage, i'd say that he won't run this season as i am a little bit worried about him. I just don't think it is worth the risk. It is a blow alright and i suppose if we can get him back for next year, that is probably all we can hope for".
Quito will be 2nd or 3rd fav after xmas after he wins, still decent value e/w at 16s for Gold Cup?
Quito missed last years festival because they felt he was better on a flat track. Thats my main concern, as well him needing to improve this year.
He certainly has a Grade 1 engine.
He certainly has a Grade 1 engine.
Agree but not too many alternatives to Long Run, if it was soft was and starts wont be out of frame?
At 16s at moment, on at bit, more could be shake up bad fav?
At 16s at moment, on at bit, more could be shake up bad fav?
It will be very interesting to see what Paul Nicholls does with Kauto Stone. He has mentioned the Ryan Air, which is most likely. However he has an entry for the Gold Cup and won the same Grade 1 race in France that Long Run did (22f on very soft ground as a 4yr old).
He jumped very well at Down Patrick and should stay.
The big issue with him is he looks like he is best on a right handed track, but that didnt stop his half brother win the Gold Cup twice!!
His next race is the John Durkan, a right handed track on soft ground is perfect. Im expecting him to win that. Should get around 3 maybe 4/1 if Joncol pitches up.... That is the bet of the season so far!!!
He jumped very well at Down Patrick and should stay.
The big issue with him is he looks like he is best on a right handed track, but that didnt stop his half brother win the Gold Cup twice!!
His next race is the John Durkan, a right handed track on soft ground is perfect. Im expecting him to win that. Should get around 3 maybe 4/1 if Joncol pitches up.... That is the bet of the season so far!!!
Buddeliea... The possibles are Joncol, Kempes, possibly Rubi Light and Tranquil Sea.
If they all turn up you might even get 13/2!!
If they all turn up you might even get 13/2!!
Ah,ok thanks.
Not sure who i would fancy out of that lot.
Not sure who i would fancy out of that lot.
That's the point. The irish chasers are hard to Split. Rubi is the likely progressive one on the soft ground (after running so well in the Ryan Air on faster ground), but Kauto Stone won THE BIG Grade 1 in France. The top French form is better than English/Irish and Kauto jumped like a stag round Down Patrick.
Plus Nicholls strike rate in Ireland is awesome.
Plus Nicholls strike rate in Ireland is awesome.
Quito declared for Sandown Friday over 2 and half, surely too short but allegedly want to get run into him before xmas? Durkan Chase looks harder also same distance,cant see him winning over that trip?
That race friday is 3m and also Bostons Angel is entered,interesting race if they come over.
I read that Quito is unlikley to come over for it, but I can't currently find the source...
However Quito De La Roque is unlikely to run in the 3m110y, £18,000 guaranteed contest. His trainer Colm Murphy said on Saturday: "It's probably more unlikely than likely at this stage [that he'll travel] but I won't make any final decision until the middle of the week.
"We put him in those races to keep our options open as ideally I'd like to geta run into him before the Lexus at Christmas. If we didn't get a run into him before Leopardstown it wouldn't be the end of the world but at least we have a few options available to us."
"We put him in those races to keep our options open as ideally I'd like to geta run into him before the Lexus at Christmas. If we didn't get a run into him before Leopardstown it wouldn't be the end of the world but at least we have a few options available to us."
Sorry was thinking 2 and half for Durkan, surely too short for Quito?
There will still be some decent prize money for placing in the John Durkan.
Plus it will get some speed into his legs in readiness for the Lexus.
Plus it will get some speed into his legs in readiness for the Lexus.
Quito De La Roque is likely to stay nearer home for his next race, with the John Durkan Memorial Chase at Punchestown on December 11 the probable target.
"We've decided to bypass Sandown and there's a great chance he'll run in the John Durkan." - Colm Murphy.
"We've decided to bypass Sandown and there's a great chance he'll run in the John Durkan." - Colm Murphy.
One could argue that Sizing Europe gave his form a massive boost today (unless you think SE blew up after about 2 1/2 m at Down Royal, which I don't).
been deadly honest i tink dis is ad will be placed this year at least and then win th GC next year take out long run and whats there to beat him he beat joncol and sizing europe at his ease last time out and their no donkeys their both class horses. imho i believe his trainer cant not go to cheltenham he couldnt possibly keep this horse from the race that will make him a great. im goin to keep backin him as soon as the money situation improves after christmas each way nd i cant really see me lose my bet this is a class horse and the word over here is dat theirs no irish horse could run him even close on his day and if the ground was o come up soft id lump on big this fella wouldnt be beaten then imho
His Down Royal win was definitely good form, but surprised you don't think Sizing blew up, strontium.
He was paddling close home and Quito simply saw out the trip, to my eyes anyway. I have said in numerous threads across the forum that I think the Gold Cup is a weak one this time (at least in depth) and for that reason I would not be too opinionated in this case. That said, Quito is definitely in my head as a reason that makes this a weak race in terms of depth because I think he looks shy of Cold Cup class in raw class and in speed. Unless it's a bog, which is very unlikely, I don't think he will be fast enough to lay up with them and they don't come back to you in the blue riband like two-milers do in Ireland.
He was paddling close home and Quito simply saw out the trip, to my eyes anyway. I have said in numerous threads across the forum that I think the Gold Cup is a weak one this time (at least in depth) and for that reason I would not be too opinionated in this case. That said, Quito is definitely in my head as a reason that makes this a weak race in terms of depth because I think he looks shy of Cold Cup class in raw class and in speed. Unless it's a bog, which is very unlikely, I don't think he will be fast enough to lay up with them and they don't come back to you in the blue riband like two-milers do in Ireland.
I think we'll know a lot more after the Lexus about where we are with QDLR. If he can give Denman a race then I think we have a real Gold Cup contender, as he should still be improving. Personally he's a horse I like and for me the pick of last seasons novices (all be it they look a pretty poor bunch in general at the moment).
tom - I didn't say that. I mean I don't think SE blew up after only 2 1/2 miles - it was more like 2 m 6f/7f. So QDLR was not racing against bottomed horses for half a mile, which franks his form to a degree.
RNL - The trouble with that is it assumes Denman isn't regressing and he doesn't really race enough nowadays to be sure. [OT - Actually, that's an issue more generally since the handicap marks of all the top British chasers seem to be based directly or indirectly on the assumption that Denman always gives his running. His Hennesey runs were a gift to Phil Smith, but who knows if if ran to the same marks in the Gold Cups and other races?].
I haven't given up on Jessies Dream yet, but he's getting a terrible preparation for the Gold Cup imo.
RNL - The trouble with that is it assumes Denman isn't regressing and he doesn't really race enough nowadays to be sure. [OT - Actually, that's an issue more generally since the handicap marks of all the top British chasers seem to be based directly or indirectly on the assumption that Denman always gives his running. His Hennesey runs were a gift to Phil Smith, but who knows if if ran to the same marks in the Gold Cups and other races?].
I haven't given up on Jessies Dream yet, but he's getting a terrible preparation for the Gold Cup imo.
Strontium - I agree it's hard to say for sure whether Denman is regressing. I made the mistake of thinking he'd regressed before his Hennessy run last year, and I think he proved there and in the GC that he was still capable of top level performances. I'm happy to put a line through Aintree. After Kauto's come back I wouldn't be backing against a similar performance from Denman. That's why I do think we'll know what we've got in QDLR after the Lexus.... but I've been wrong before
Hughes issued an upbeat bulletin on Magnanimity, who was injured at the Cheltenham Festival in March when a close fourth to Bostons Angel in the RSA Chase.
The trainer said: “He’s a hell of a horse. He fractured a joint at Cheltenham which needed four screws, and he had four months’ box rest.
“But he’s come back a more professional horse, and the plan is to start him off in the Lexus. He could be a Gold Cup horse.”
The trainer said: “He’s a hell of a horse. He fractured a joint at Cheltenham which needed four screws, and he had four months’ box rest.
“But he’s come back a more professional horse, and the plan is to start him off in the Lexus. He could be a Gold Cup horse.”
Sarando and Golan Way not done much for this one's form today (or Bostons Angel's for that matter).
true,
nor the likes of Master Minded and Captain Chris.
nor the likes of Master Minded and Captain Chris.
i mean surely they aint lining up after that yesterday
i would like to apologise to Master Minded,i did not realise he had been injured.
Glad I backed him NRNB. Such a good concession and punters should take maximum advantage of it when they can.
Not sure what to make of that. On the face of it, both Rubi Light & QDLR were disappointing. Both probably would have preferred softer but then again up til now so would the winner. What do people make of the winners performance - it seemed impressive but it could just as likely be that QDLR & Rubi Light aren't that good - which again up until now I thought they were
Immediate impression (will need to re-examine) is that Rubi maybe did not stay and QDLR needs 7 miles. QDLR is a likable horse but looks exceptionally slow.
I think that's right. A very disappointing result for racing imo, but I believe Synchronised has improved. I think he ran somewhere in the high 160s based on Noland and Roberto. However, I'd be astonished if he's good enough to win a Gold Cup.
QDLR and the rest of last years Novices just aren't that good. Synchronised winning a grade 1(well done to the horse)just outlines the limitations of the opposition. Rubi Light will be a major player for the Ryanair. The others really are handicappers albeit good ones.
Sync is quite lightly raced for a chaser though. He won the Welsh National off 150 quite easily and Giles Cross franked the form again yesterday.
Halcon Generladis won the Welsh Nat off a big weight and managed a 4th place on the Gold Cup. 14/1, NRNB for Sync seems fair enough to me. Not that I am backing.
Halcon Generladis won the Welsh Nat off a big weight and managed a 4th place on the Gold Cup. 14/1, NRNB for Sync seems fair enough to me. Not that I am backing.
Shockster - last years Novices just aren't that good
Never a truer word spoken though I think Time for Rupert could turn out ok and Quel Esprit particularly.
Never a truer word spoken though I think Time for Rupert could turn out ok and Quel Esprit particularly.
they must have gone a crawl because qdlr ran his race the wrong way round.....he travelled and got outpaced late on....where vice versa is usually the case....in that case, how the hell did synchronised win
Long Run and Kauto can sleep easy in their boxes for next few months i think, disappointing today appeared to go pretty slow early, Quito then outpaced at vital stage.
QDLR will love the Gold Cup trip for sure, he is gagging for it. So silly to give up hope actually and Colm Murphy seemed pretty content with his run.
Although I do feel Sync is being a little underestimated here tbh. The last time Jonjo won the Lexus was with Exotic Dancer who progressed through handicaps so he clearly knows a good one.
Ive been sticking up for Quito a fair bit,but that aint a gold cup run,nowhere near.How far is Noland behind in the Nicholls pecking order??and getting beat by a Welsh national handicapper?? Ok he may be underestimated,but even so,Gold Cup-Synchronised??
Quito might do better in a gold Cup,but he aint anywhere near the 2 favs.Aside from maybe Grand Crus it appears nothing is!!
Quito might do better in a gold Cup,but he aint anywhere near the 2 favs.Aside from maybe Grand Crus it appears nothing is!!
As I said above, I reckon Synchronised ran to 167+ today. I'd just be staggered if he's good enough to win a Gold Cup. They have to try that sort for ace though - they'll have shafted his handicap mark today.
QDLR was rated 169 before today. Hard to see why on whats been achieved. Yes beat Sizing Europe and the Nightingale, but only because they obviously didn't get home. Previously beat Western Charmer who got stuffed yesterday off 143 and beat Sarando at Aintree 1/4 length. sarando not competitive off 149. 169 don't make me laugh mid 150's at best IMO.
True. I based my guess-rating on Noland and Roberto Goldback who I thought both gave their running. I don't think Rubi Light really got home.
Has to be said Noland was not originally meant to run in the race, Denman was. 
Good point, I had forgotten that, though I believe Noland was always an intended runner in the King George until Denman got injured so he should be fit. I'm happy to downgrade the form though
Sint, I think that is irrelevant because there is no way Denman could ever live with the mighty Synchronised anyway
(P!ss taking aside, congrats are due for winning a first Grade 1, and anyone who backed him. Shame he wasn't 29/1 with 100 yards to go)
(P!ss taking aside, congrats are due for winning a first Grade 1, and anyone who backed him. Shame he wasn't 29/1 with 100 yards to go
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For me it njust means that Noland is a reasonable yardstick to rate the race from a handicapping pov. I didn't mean to suggest that he was a fair substitute for the Tank.
quito was disapointing 2day and there no real excuses. colm was bullish about him 2 saying he goes on this ground. and agree last years novice form gets weaker with every run this year.
make the gold cup look even more like a 2 horse race between long and kauto....and mayb grand crus starting to think pipe will defo let him take part in this.
as for synchronised.....jus shocked he went off 8/1 let alone win this. SHOCKED
think rubi light got the trip and was ridden that they knew he wud b if it was me stick to the oringal plan and go for the race u and win RYANAIR.
make the gold cup look even more like a 2 horse race between long and kauto....and mayb grand crus starting to think pipe will defo let him take part in this.
as for synchronised.....jus shocked he went off 8/1 let alone win this. SHOCKED
think rubi light got the trip and was ridden that they knew he wud b if it was me stick to the oringal plan and go for the race u and win RYANAIR.
Colm Murphy faces a race against time to get Quito De La Roque ready for Cheltenham after the Grade One winner scoped badly last week.
With the Festival just a month away, the eight-year-old is being treated for the problem that forced him to miss the Hennessy Gold Cup at Leopardstown.
Until he recovers, plans for the JNwine.com Champion Chase winner remain up in the air.
"He's on a course of antibiotics, so hopefully we'll have him back soon," said the County Wexford trainer.
"I don't know about Cheltenham. It's too early to say."
Quito De La Roque holds an entry in the Betfred Cheltenham Gold Cup for which he is a 25-1 chance.
With the Festival just a month away, the eight-year-old is being treated for the problem that forced him to miss the Hennessy Gold Cup at Leopardstown.
Until he recovers, plans for the JNwine.com Champion Chase winner remain up in the air.
"He's on a course of antibiotics, so hopefully we'll have him back soon," said the County Wexford trainer.
"I don't know about Cheltenham. It's too early to say."
Quito De La Roque holds an entry in the Betfred Cheltenham Gold Cup for which he is a 25-1 chance.
Thanks for update BJG not what i wanted to here, but was only running for places his form re Roberto Goldback behind Synochronised, would have been close with Quel Esprit today closely tied in after today.
THE BETFRED CHELTENHAM GOLD CUP
Class 1, Grade 1, £500,000 Total Prize Fund. 3.20pm, Cheltenham, Friday, March 16, 2012. Three miles, two and a half furlongs.
Form Horse Age Owner Trainer
52-FU111 APT APPROACH (IRE) 9 Greenstar Syndicate Willie Mullins IRE
11121/2- BURTON PORT (IRE) 8 Trevor Hemmings Nicky Henderson
211-1U3P CAPTAIN CHRIS (IRE) 8 Diana Whateley Philip Hobbs
640-31P CARRUTHERS 9 The Oaksey Partnership Mark Bradstock
2/1134P-45 CHINA ROCK (IRE) 9 Michael O'Flynn Mouse Morris IRE
311P/1-45 DIAMOND HARRY 9 Paul Duffy Diamond Partnership Nick Williams
22-6111 GRANDS CRUS (FR) 7 Roger Stanley & Yvonne Reynolds III David Pipe
131/321- JUNIOR 9 Middleham Park Racing LI David Pipe
133-P11 KAUTO STAR (FR) 12 Clive Smith Paul Nicholls
145-0263 KNOCKARA BEAU (IRE) 9 Bill Trueman George Charlton
16/1155-6 LITTLE JOSH (IRE) 10 Tony Bloom Nigel Twiston-Davies
3/311-22 LONG RUN (FR) 7 Robert Waley-Cohen Nicky Henderson
51124-00 MAGNANIMITY (IRE) 8 Gigginstown House Stud Dessie Hughes IRE
142-132 MEDERMIT (FR) 8 The Dunkley & Reilly Partnership Alan King
1115-F31 MIDNIGHT CHASE 10 Lady Clarke Neil Mulholland
463F/-52P MON MOME (FR) 12 Vida Bingham Venetia Williams
5141-5U2 POQUELIN (FR) 9 The Stewart Family Paul Nicholls
1FF-B111 QUEL ESPRIT (FR) 8 Red Barn Syndicate Willie Mullins IRE
13-P031 SYNCHRONISED (IRE) 9 J P McManus Jonjo O'Neill
UF-4U021 THE GIANT BOLSTER 7 Simon Hunt David Bridgwater
3/216-B43 THE MIDNIGHT CLUB (IRE) 11 Susannah Ricci Willie Mullins IRE
113P-11 THE MINACK (IRE) 8 Graham Roach Paul Nicholls
3226U-32 TIDAL BAY (IRE) 11 Andrea & Graham Wylie Paul Nicholls
115-2514 TIME FOR RUPERT (IRE) 8 Littlecote Racing Partnership Paul Webber
1/10P-13 WEIRD AL (IRE) 9 Brannon Dennis **** Holden Donald McCain
1/524P-3 WHAT A FRIEND 9 Ged Mason & Sir Alex Ferguson Paul Nicholls
26 entries remain after February 14 scratchings deadline
5 Irish-trained
THE FOLLOWING 8 ENTRIES HAVE BEEN SCRATCHED: ALBERTAS RUN (IRE), BOSTONS ANGEL (IRE), FINIAN'S RAINBOW (IRE), HALLEY (FR), HEY BIG SPENDER (IRE), JESSIES DREAM (IRE), QUITO DE LA ROQUE
(FR), WAYWARD PRINCE
Class 1, Grade 1, £500,000 Total Prize Fund. 3.20pm, Cheltenham, Friday, March 16, 2012. Three miles, two and a half furlongs.
Form Horse Age Owner Trainer
52-FU111 APT APPROACH (IRE) 9 Greenstar Syndicate Willie Mullins IRE
11121/2- BURTON PORT (IRE) 8 Trevor Hemmings Nicky Henderson
211-1U3P CAPTAIN CHRIS (IRE) 8 Diana Whateley Philip Hobbs
640-31P CARRUTHERS 9 The Oaksey Partnership Mark Bradstock
2/1134P-45 CHINA ROCK (IRE) 9 Michael O'Flynn Mouse Morris IRE
311P/1-45 DIAMOND HARRY 9 Paul Duffy Diamond Partnership Nick Williams
22-6111 GRANDS CRUS (FR) 7 Roger Stanley & Yvonne Reynolds III David Pipe
131/321- JUNIOR 9 Middleham Park Racing LI David Pipe
133-P11 KAUTO STAR (FR) 12 Clive Smith Paul Nicholls
145-0263 KNOCKARA BEAU (IRE) 9 Bill Trueman George Charlton
16/1155-6 LITTLE JOSH (IRE) 10 Tony Bloom Nigel Twiston-Davies
3/311-22 LONG RUN (FR) 7 Robert Waley-Cohen Nicky Henderson
51124-00 MAGNANIMITY (IRE) 8 Gigginstown House Stud Dessie Hughes IRE
142-132 MEDERMIT (FR) 8 The Dunkley & Reilly Partnership Alan King
1115-F31 MIDNIGHT CHASE 10 Lady Clarke Neil Mulholland
463F/-52P MON MOME (FR) 12 Vida Bingham Venetia Williams
5141-5U2 POQUELIN (FR) 9 The Stewart Family Paul Nicholls
1FF-B111 QUEL ESPRIT (FR) 8 Red Barn Syndicate Willie Mullins IRE
13-P031 SYNCHRONISED (IRE) 9 J P McManus Jonjo O'Neill
UF-4U021 THE GIANT BOLSTER 7 Simon Hunt David Bridgwater
3/216-B43 THE MIDNIGHT CLUB (IRE) 11 Susannah Ricci Willie Mullins IRE
113P-11 THE MINACK (IRE) 8 Graham Roach Paul Nicholls
3226U-32 TIDAL BAY (IRE) 11 Andrea & Graham Wylie Paul Nicholls
115-2514 TIME FOR RUPERT (IRE) 8 Littlecote Racing Partnership Paul Webber
1/10P-13 WEIRD AL (IRE) 9 Brannon Dennis **** Holden Donald McCain
1/524P-3 WHAT A FRIEND 9 Ged Mason & Sir Alex Ferguson Paul Nicholls
26 entries remain after February 14 scratchings deadline
5 Irish-trained
THE FOLLOWING 8 ENTRIES HAVE BEEN SCRATCHED: ALBERTAS RUN (IRE), BOSTONS ANGEL (IRE), FINIAN'S RAINBOW (IRE), HALLEY (FR), HEY BIG SPENDER (IRE), JESSIES DREAM (IRE), QUITO DE LA ROQUE
(FR), WAYWARD PRINCE
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