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Every year I enter a personal competition with a friend of mine for the new National Hunt season (you remember a similar post I made on here last year). I have won it every year from 2004 and will never hear the last of it if I ever lose it ! Can I pick your minds please gents. The scoring for our competition is based on the following:
10 Points for a win in any National Hunt race between - 01/01/2010 (Start) - End of Punchestowen Festival (End)
5 Points for third
3 Points for third.
Bonus for any horse in your list who wins a race at the Cheltenham Festival. (30 Points for doing this)
3 Transfers can be made prior to the Festival. (Normally too late by then if your miles behind)
Each Stable picks 12 Horses (Last Year I won it with 411 Points / 396 season before) - 33- 35 Points a horse on average is good going and what I am looking for ideally (always one who has a poor year Get me out of here scored 0 last year. Although I had Al Ferof in from the start for a bonus and subbed in Quevega for a bonus).
My question is simple. Can you advise on some horses who will run frequently next season and win rattling up a sequence. Based on previous years I am looking for a horse that runs 5 - 6 times a season and scores 35+ points. (Grade A horses & Novices hurdlers and chasers (especially 2 milers done very well).
POST AWAY GENTS & THANKS IN ADVANCE.
Howdi
Every year I enter a personal competition with a friend of mine for the new National Hunt season (you remember a similar post I made on here last year). I have won it every year from 2004 and will never hear the last of it if I ever lose it ! Can I pick your minds please gents. The scoring for our competition is based on the following:
10 Points for a win in any National Hunt race between - 01/01/2010 (Start) - End of Punchestowen Festival (End)
5 Points for third
3 Points for third.
Bonus for any horse in your list who wins a race at the Cheltenham Festival. (30 Points for doing this)
3 Transfers can be made prior to the Festival. (Normally too late by then if your miles behind)
Each Stable picks 12 Horses (Last Year I won it with 411 Points / 396 season before) - 33- 35 Points a horse on average is good going and what I am looking for ideally (always one who has a poor year Get me out of here scored 0 last year. Although I had Al Ferof in from the start for a bonus and subbed in Quevega for a bonus).
My question is simple. Can you advise on some horses who will run frequently next season and win rattling up a sequence. Based on previous years I am looking for a horse that runs 5 - 6 times a season and scores 35+ points. (Grade A horses & Novices hurdlers and chasers (especially 2 milers done very well).
POST AWAY GENTS & THANKS IN ADVANCE.
Howdi
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Hurricane Fly fairly obvious
Big Buck's should win 4 times again
Peddler's Cross should win a few novice chases before hosing up in the Arkle - not sure how often he'll run though?
Captain Chris + Wishfull Thinking both ran a lot last season and won a few - would include both of these imo
Big Buck's should win 4 times again
Peddler's Cross should win a few novice chases before hosing up in the Arkle - not sure how often he'll run though?
Captain Chris + Wishfull Thinking both ran a lot last season and won a few - would include both of these imo
Another who ran a lot in '09/10 would be the ever consistent Burton Port, would be taking a risk on his wellbeing though
big zeb will pick up a few easy wins i dare say before regaining his QM chase crown
Burton port will be running in top class company not a good recipe for hacking up points
Grand Crus must go in,will hopefully mop up any number of Nov Chases before having a pop at the big festival races,
Possibly vectis and certainly on the short list but 3 mile novices dont tend to run as much as 2 mile novices who generally go off far shorter in the betting as well.
Sorry but what relevance has price got to do with it?Golden Silver as a case in point,won many times last year when long odds on.
Hello Vectis price no relevance in this competition.
My point was that 2 Mile Novice chasers generally go off shorter than 3 mile novice chasers. Its easier to predict 2 mile chase winners than 3 mile from my experience of this competition. Races can be settled in strides rather than slugging it out. Also 2 milers tend to run on average once more in a season (and I want to rack as many wins up as possible).
H
My point was that 2 Mile Novice chasers generally go off shorter than 3 mile novice chasers. Its easier to predict 2 mile chase winners than 3 mile from my experience of this competition. Races can be settled in strides rather than slugging it out. Also 2 milers tend to run on average once more in a season (and I want to rack as many wins up as possible).
H
Big Zeb will not be the same force this year,i'd be willing to bet any money he wont be anywhere near competitive as he was last season,he's almost 11 now,and we've seen last season how great horses regress when age inevitably catches up with them
Still not clear what you mean but anyways,don`t think that many off the high profile horses are going to be running that often anyway ,what with the modern day trainers obssesion with training horses the Hen Knight way.
Re Big Zeb, presumably the jockey will be on Finians Rainbow?
peddlers cross,aegean dawn,moores hurdler from last season[vino grigio?],big bucks,mossley,sprinter sacre and the other henderson hurdler
Persian Snow could well improve on last yr, Hobbs rates it very highly and possibly the way his form tapered off he may be a bit of a dark horse. I can see him doing quite well in the novice division.
Thanks to all that posted. My friend and I had our selection evening on Friday and we have now confirmed our selections for the forthcoming season. Bearing in mind the scoring criteria who has the best team - not telling you mine! Is it TEAM A or TEAM B!!!
TEAM A TEAM B
REALT DUBH HURRICANE FLY
PEDDLERS CROSS BIG BUCKS
ZARKANDAR FIRST LIEUTENANT
SIZING EUROPE THOUSAND STARS
OSCARS WELL GRANDS CRUS
SAM WINNER AL FEROF
OUR GIRL SALLEY SOLWHIT
CAPTAIN CHRIS SPRINTER SACRE
SIR DES CHAMPS BOBS WORTH
MONTBAZON GOLDEN SILVER
SO YOUNG WAAHEB
SPIRIT SON MENORAH
LONG RUN LOVETHEHIGHERLAW
WHO WINS BOYS........POST YOUR VOTE!
TEAM A TEAM B
REALT DUBH HURRICANE FLY
PEDDLERS CROSS BIG BUCKS
ZARKANDAR FIRST LIEUTENANT
SIZING EUROPE THOUSAND STARS
OSCARS WELL GRANDS CRUS
SAM WINNER AL FEROF
OUR GIRL SALLEY SOLWHIT
CAPTAIN CHRIS SPRINTER SACRE
SIR DES CHAMPS BOBS WORTH
MONTBAZON GOLDEN SILVER
SO YOUNG WAAHEB
SPIRIT SON MENORAH
LONG RUN LOVETHEHIGHERLAW
WHO WINS BOYS........POST YOUR VOTE!
team b heavily relying on 3m nov chases?
i think itl be a close call this year howdi.
if it could be peddlers,hf,bb,spirit son,sprinter sacre.bobs worth,first lieutenent,wishful thinking,long run,rubi light,masreminded,thousand stars,so young.
i cant make my mind up which team id rather have out of Aor B.
i think itl be a close call this year howdi.
if it could be peddlers,hf,bb,spirit son,sprinter sacre.bobs worth,first lieutenent,wishful thinking,long run,rubi light,masreminded,thousand stars,so young.
i cant make my mind up which team id rather have out of Aor B.
keep those opinions coming lads. appreciate yr thoughts....!
Team B on the snaff, shame about Grands Crus though, gone right off him after Big Buck's broke him
Reckon Rubi Light could be a points spinner durin the winter
FYI last year's top scoring top ten to follow horses were:
Hurricane Fly 150
Big Buck's 110
Long Run 108
Master Minded 99
Ballabriggs 81
Golden Silver 77
Finian's Rainbow 72
Quito De La Roque 69
Quinz 67
Captain Chris 66
Oiseau De Nuit 62
Carlito Brigante 61
Oscar Whisky 61
Diamond Harry 57
Follow The Plan 57
Sizing Europe 57
Albertas Run 54
Menorah 54
Tatenen 54
Al Ferof 52
Kempes 50
Buena Vista 47
Peddlers Cross 47
Midnight Chase 46
Wishfull Thinking 44
Always Waining 41
Poquelin 41
Prince De Beauchene 41
Siegemaster 41
Ashkazar 39
Mille Chief 39
Of those I'd definitely include Hurricane Fly, Big Bucks, Peddlers Cross and Long Run.
Then personally I'd include: Realt Dubh, Weapons Amnesty, Simonsig, Oscar Whiskey, Riverside Theatre (or Mon Parrain) and Bobs Worth.
Hurricane Fly 150
Big Buck's 110
Long Run 108
Master Minded 99
Ballabriggs 81
Golden Silver 77
Finian's Rainbow 72
Quito De La Roque 69
Quinz 67
Captain Chris 66
Oiseau De Nuit 62
Carlito Brigante 61
Oscar Whisky 61
Diamond Harry 57
Follow The Plan 57
Sizing Europe 57
Albertas Run 54
Menorah 54
Tatenen 54
Al Ferof 52
Kempes 50
Buena Vista 47
Peddlers Cross 47
Midnight Chase 46
Wishfull Thinking 44
Always Waining 41
Poquelin 41
Prince De Beauchene 41
Siegemaster 41
Ashkazar 39
Mille Chief 39
Of those I'd definitely include Hurricane Fly, Big Bucks, Peddlers Cross and Long Run.
Then personally I'd include: Realt Dubh, Weapons Amnesty, Simonsig, Oscar Whiskey, Riverside Theatre (or Mon Parrain) and Bobs Worth.
Of the teams above I'd have from Team A: Long Run, Peddlers Cross, Spirit Son, Realt Dubh, Oscars Well and Captain Chris. From Team B I'd have: Hurricane Fly, Big Bucks, Bobs Worth and Thousand Stars. So that's 6-4 to Team A.
The problem with Team B is there are too many that could be running against each other. eg First Lieutenet, Bobs Worth and Grands Crus are all RSA bound; Menorah, Sprinter Sacre, Al Ferof and Solwhit are all aiming down the Arkle route; so you will be taking points off yourself really
The problem with Team B is there are too many that could be running against each other. eg First Lieutenet, Bobs Worth and Grands Crus are all RSA bound; Menorah, Sprinter Sacre, Al Ferof and Solwhit are all aiming down the Arkle route; so you will be taking points off yourself really
doubt they will run each other much from previous experience even if they do its never been a competition swinger
solwhit won't lose points to the other 3 until perhaps cheltenham as he'll mop up in ireland....solwhit would be a banker for me.
out of interest. why do you have to make your selections so early when your comp doesn't start for another 3 months?
wellchief you sure you read our scoring criteria mate - cant see mon parrin having many easy chances
team B for me...wouldn't fancy spirit son or zarkander from team A as they'll find it much harder now they're out of the novice division over 2 miles hurdles.
i wouldn't worry about a few clashes as the prize money doesn't count and there's points for 2nd and 3rd anyhow....in any case there are enough novice chases about for all the big guns to win a couple each before they bump into each other.
i wouldn't worry about a few clashes as the prize money doesn't count and there's points for 2nd and 3rd anyhow....in any case there are enough novice chases about for all the big guns to win a couple each before they bump into each other.
According to your rules your horses get 0 points for 2nd place but 8 points for 3rd.
Few ropey ones in both there IMO
Team A has more and IMO there'll be a few in Team B will pick up early races and then struggle in better races so no real advantage in putting them in, ie. go from an ordinary novices to finishing 3rd or 4th in Graded races.
Team A has more and IMO there'll be a few in Team B will pick up early races and then struggle in better races so no real advantage in putting them in, ie. go from an ordinary novices to finishing 3rd or 4th in Graded races.
1st 10 points 2nd 5 points 3rd - 3points and to the mug who says there mug picks look at points scoring system.
tradefair you are guessing how can u possibly say that til youve seen em jump.
Minella Class looked pure class when he won first time at Newbury then won a soft Grade 1 at Sandown. Wasn't at his best at Cheltenham but went off at 8-1, travelled like a dream to the second last (probably too well) and Henderson very positive about it in Mark Howard's book. Will presumably win a novice chase round Newbury, probably take in the Feltham, Scilly Isles at Sandown and then on to Cheltenham and Aintree. Could be top class.
i take it you take turns in picking not having the same horse h fly would be my first pick for sure. my money would be on the a team
take in turns. TEAM A REALLY BASED ON OUR POINTS SCORING SYSTEM...
that a no then .how can you pick your team and not put in the fly
I have the Fly!!!! We take it in turns and I won the toss so my mate couldn't have him!
piss easy races rack up points run more than graded horses
it has been in the last 7 years ive hosed up every year. 
generally race against rubbish for 2-3 races per year before upped in class
generally race against rubbish for 2-3 races per year before upped in class
TEAM B LEAD 15-10 (awful effort from salley today 
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I'm B as if you couldnt tell
)I'm B as if you couldnt tell
hahaha it was a little but I had Menorah who would have won.
We have been playing this competition and we have never had two fallers in the same day let alone three amazing scenes!!
TEAM A CONTINUE TO LEAD BY 5 POINTS WITH ONE LESS RUNNER TO DATE
LOOKING FOR MY NORMAL 60 POINTS PLUS LEAD GOING TO THE FESTIVAL
We have been playing this competition and we have never had two fallers in the same day let alone three amazing scenes!!
TEAM A CONTINUE TO LEAD BY 5 POINTS WITH ONE LESS RUNNER TO DATE
LOOKING FOR MY NORMAL 60 POINTS PLUS LEAD GOING TO THE FESTIVAL
3 Points to my mate with oscars well today. i lead by 3 points.
He has had four runners this week and only 3 Points.
If only Menorah hadn't fallen for me.
I lead by 3 Points having had 2 runners less.
He has had four runners this week and only 3 Points.
If only Menorah hadn't fallen for me.
I lead by 3 Points having had 2 runners less.
Sizing Europe for my pal on saturday but The good liuenentant gets a max today. 7 points clrar having had 2 runners less.
Team B (mine) makes a big move.
Grand Crus 10 Points Al Ferof (10 Points) with my friend responding with Montbazon (3 Points). Three injury transfers made first injuries we've had for a season or two.
Solwhit out for me in comes Notus de la tour - crafty change by me wins today !!!
I have lost Lovinthehigherlaw and switched in Oscard Whisky.
My mate switches out Realt Dubh (agreed due to injury as with Solwhit) and puts in Back In Focus
I lead by 24 Points and looking good
Grand Crus 10 Points Al Ferof (10 Points) with my friend responding with Montbazon (3 Points). Three injury transfers made first injuries we've had for a season or two.
Solwhit out for me in comes Notus de la tour - crafty change by me wins today !!!
I have lost Lovinthehigherlaw and switched in Oscard Whisky.
My mate switches out Realt Dubh (agreed due to injury as with Solwhit) and puts in Back In Focus
I lead by 24 Points and looking good
oh oscar you coont
certain 5 probabe 10 on the deck!
clear off long rn
certain 5 probabe 10 on the deck!
clear off long rn
Howdi has a terrific Newbury meeting. Booting home Grands Crus, Bobs Worth and the Buckster. Mate responds with Peddlers at Bangor.
I lead by 34 POINTS
11 runner 8 winners and one second. If Menorah and oscar whisky hadnt falleb be sitting on 10 winners from 11 runners. All on course
I lead by 34 POINTS
11 runner 8 winners and one second. If Menorah and oscar whisky hadnt falleb be sitting on 10 winners from 11 runners. All on course
well another season approaching the end and I'm glad to inform the forum my leads stands at 155 points which is a record. 7 years in a row ive taken the title and i look forward to trying to make it 8 Three cheltenham winners in my original list of 13 which is a record:
Bobs worth
Sprinter sacre
Big Bucks
Off for the summer with the trophy on the mantle piece.
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