Horses you have a quiet fancy for in 2011-2012 season

spot on reve mate spot on too big in the market too

jumps 2011/2012 preview done at www.thefreekick.com for those interested.  Just click on horse racing.  broken down into 5 parts.

Thanks for posting that link, really enjoyed reading the articals, whetting my apetite for the season ahead.

Ta directroute

they were written by a poster called fenwaypark.  the forum over there has a thread called 'equine matters and sport of kings' and he writes previews of the saturday and sunday's racing during the jumps season.  some good national hunt debate can be found there during the winter months.  that preview is very detailed in fairness to him.

top stuff imo ta

the only problem is that you can have a fancy for a certain horse  and it  can cloud your judgement for the season ahead, in that you may  have a fancy for say the gold cup and you can lose focus of other contenders who may have very good claims for the race but you have disregarded them as its already in your mind that you have the winner .   may be best to start with an open mind

Big Bucks supporters should take heed^
[;)]

CLUELESS ^

good advice to have an open mind,especially in this game

Is Arvika Liegonniere back this season? I think thats how you spell the horse name.

liam betting says yes on that one pal.

liam betting says yes on that one pal.

He may not end up winning the  RSA (although if it is very soft...) but I really like Sire de Grugy. He looked power paclked in the Dovecote. I would be very surprised if he was not a better horse than Tpoloski.

id say topolski is better on good, sire de grugy better on soft. topolski going for the champ hurdle, might as well go for the gold cup, no chance...

What are they gonna do with Mikhael D this year

I will have to take look at oddschecker. After Chetenham i have rest till August time every year. I am not up to speed on which horses are around and that. I quite like look of Arvika was expected to go well in Arkle before he got injured and out 4 season before it really got going

liam23uk,
there is a jumps 2012 preview at www.thefreekick.com.  click on horse racing.  the author has profiled 100 horses broken down into established hurdlers, established chasers, novice hurdlers, novice chasers and top bumper horses.  its pretty detailed in fairness to the lad.  he also did an antepost preview which makes for a good read.

bloody good read imo

doubt me and buddelia could have done better

Cheers for the information directroute 1980. Like many have said being long summer without the jumps lol.

ots, id say he will go novice chasing again, hed want to turn a major corner to have any say tho...

The jumps preview mentioned above is very good (although Captain chris was not outstayed by medermit in the Scilly) and really whets the appetite nicely.

no i noticed that he was catching medermit like stink over last furlong

Hidden Cyclone - will be a monster over fences.

looking at him TD Gunner....think he'll run much do you this season?

i like shuil royale. no doubt il have some folk laughin at me for nominating a 120 rated hurdler as a nag to follow and a potential cheltenham horse but i think hes very promising and could potentially improve a ton. very weak last yr, could turn out a good un i think

I'm hoping TD Gunner is right

Not 100% keen on the trainer, I'd give him a job handicapper but not sure about a top prospect.

As I said earlier he traveled & jumped best over 2m 7 in his final run so RSA all the way surely

il have you know shark hanlon has an excellent 5% sr in chases

Ghazio !!!! will mop up pre Christmas

@Howdi

Trainer says he won't start him off til Xmas for some reason and then all roads lead to Cheltenham

He ran 6 times last year & missed all the spring festivals. If the ground isn't gone he might run at Cheltenham and Fairyhouse or Punchestown

I'd be guessing run at Xmas (in either a beginners or possibly in at the deep end in the big 3m chase)

2 more runs would be needed before Cheltenham IMO, then the RSA (pleeeeese Shary!) and either Fairyhouse or Punchestown?

@Howdi

Trainer says he won't start him off til Xmas for some reason and then all roads lead to Cheltenham

He ran 6 times last year & missed all the spring festivals. If the ground isn't gone he might run at Cheltenham and Fairyhouse or Punchestown

I'd be guessing run at Xmas (in either a beginners or possibly in at the deep end in the big 3m chase)

2 more runs would be needed before Cheltenham IMO, then the RSA (pleeeeese Shark!) and either Fairyhouse or Punchestown?

Samain...from W Mullins yard...will win 3/4 before going to Supreme Novice where he will be hard to beat.

thanks col. sanders v . helpful

Alternative horse to follow list:

Handicap Casers
Tarablaze: If jumping sorted well weighted. Expect big things from this one and will be massively over looked due to owner/trainer combo having Captin Chris and Wishfull Thinking

Robbinson Collonges: Very well weighted, poss needed a wind op?

Swing Bill: Would like to see him over marathon trips, also well in over hurdles wouldnt be a surprise to see Pipe take advantage of this.

Cant Buy Time: Very good weight needs soft even though JJ doesnt think so

Mamlook: Really well in on hurdles rating.  Chelt record not great goes well at Ascot, would love to see him go for the Listed Handicap that Massinis Maguire won at that course last Oct.

Caroles Legacy: improves year on year, massive Hennessey chance if lineing up.

Isnt Caroles Legacy retired? Pretty sure the plan was for her to be covered by Kayf Tara?

samain a good shout, that good bumper horse of weld's he just beat travels amazingkly well in his races as well and apparently jumps beautiffully, I think hurdling will really suit it, bought by McManus for 400,000

sj is correct,CL is retired!

im not sure she is

cheers guys gutted if thats the case

Howdi they annoced it after Aintree, unless there has been a U-turn she's  retired

Only reason i ask somebody posted as a tip for the hennessey the other day

CAROLE'S LEGACY, last seen running a brave second to Nacarat in this month's Totesport Betfair Bowl, has been retired and covered by Kayf Tara at Overbury Stud in Gloucestershire.

The seven-year-old mare has been a most consistent servant to her owner-breeder Paul Murphy, winning nine of her 18 starts and finishing out of the first two only twice.

RELATED LINKS

    * Kayf Tara stallion page

She also won the Listed mares' bumper at Aintree and Listed Ladbrokes' Mares Hurdle at Kempton and was twice Grade 2-placed.


Carole's Legacy is by Sir Harry Lewis and out of Murphy's star broodmare Carole's Crusader, who has produced Grade 2 Manifesto Novices' Chasewinner Mad Max by Kayf Tara.

Kayf Tara, twice a champion British-based jumps sire, has received plenty of star mares in recent seasons.

Followers of the Racing Post’s Born To Run series will know that the three-time Cleeve Hurdle winner Lady Rebecca recently produced a filly by him, and Welsh National winner L’Aventure has also produced a filly and returns to Kayf Tara again this year.

Salamaite, the dam of French-bred Champion Bumper winner Cheltenian, is another to have been covered by Kayf Tara in recent weeks.

bobs worth for RSA

Finish grade 1 placed, v good way to go

neil d:-

It wasn't Samain that beat Weld's.

Weld's has to be the one for the Supreme.

WAAHEB

Aye

sorry, was another Giginstown horse though I think, maybe lovethehigherlaw, more of a stayer

Montbazon looks a decent prospect in the major novice hurdle events next year

Suddenly it's September and we can all begin to plot a path to March. Happy fukcing days. Cottage now booked, and two Irish newcomers to be quietly interested in IMO. BLACK BENNY, well-backed to win a bumper at Galway(Good)and then sluicing through the rain today at Listowel(soft) to win a maiden hurdle a shade cosily, despite not jumping perfectly. Come March the form might not turn out to be that strong, but I was struck by ATR's Gary O'Brien's very positive view of the run/horse(think he's a good judge.)Also SANDS COVE, a bumper horse that hosed up in filthy ground at Roscommon 10 days ago, well backed before drifting like a refugee boat from Northern Africa before the off(5-2 out to 9-2). It won on the bridle under Nina C, and Swan said afterwards it was the best horse he'd had so far. That might have had a touch of the adverts about it, but it was a taking performance. Can't wait to see it on a decent surface, hopefully just as good. The first post of the 2012 Festival: bring it on...

Cedre Bleu in novice chases (possibly Arkle)

Minella Stars in 3m novice chases (possibly RSA)

Gullible Gordon (aimed at National?)

Mount Benbulben in novice hurdles

Thegreatjohnbrowne in 2m4f chases (as long as not bottomless ground)

Picture This in novice chases (possibly 4 miler at festival or Scottish National)

cracking recent posts lads

Spirit Son.Champion Hurdle
Finians Rainbow.Q.M.
Sacre Sprinter. Arkle.

for thosde that dont know sacre sprinter is sprinter sacre's half brother.

Looking at silviniaco conti in nicholls recent videos, he looks to have bulked up quite a bit, he was quite gangly last year. Looking forward to the season :) Oscars well at 20/1 could be the only danger to hurricane fly tbh, Pulled his head off all the way around in the neptune still tanked to 2 out looking like the real deal.

zarkandar

Howdi,just checked my treble for chelt,got S.S. right way round.Wouldnt want Lads  to find excuse not to pay me 20,000+. and they do pay cash.

Zarkander the only potential danger to the fly imo,he has that classy turn of foot needed to win a CH,as said before,more often than not,the CH is won by ex flat horses,its no coinceidence either,that flat turn of foot is whats needed and Zarkander can only improve this season,last seasons 1-2 in the CH we had a Classy ex flat horse against a previous p2p winner,only ever gonna be one winner there

I'm with Mandown. Heart/wallet broken by The Rainbow in the Arkle, but CONVINCED he'll piss the QM next year as CC will go further(FR basically out-stayed in the Arkle) and nowt will live with The Rainbow's LEAPS OF WONDER in the 2012 QMCC...

Quito De La Roque.

Really fancied this for the RSA Chase last season, and was very, very disappointed he didn't show up. Proved what he was capable of afterwards, with victory at Aintree and also at Punchestown. Seems very genuine and consistent, and fears about quicker ground were put to bed at the end of the season. With another year on his back, looks a likely contender for the top staying chases in Ireland (Lexus and Hennessy) and could be worth a nibble at a serious price for the Gold Cup.

Quito for me too Joci. Bet him at crazy prices for the RSA last season, the only consolation being, it was clear a few weeks before that he wasn't going, saved me getting my hopes built up too much.

Your point about the quicker ground is a good one, thought that would be the one chink in his armour, but he put that to bed in good style. Hope you're right about Gold Cup, been betting a few quid a week on him for a while now, I really think he's got a serious chance.

He'll need to improve a fair bit on the book, but it might not be beyond him.

read on another forum somewhere that Colm Murphy has said the horse will avoid Cheltenham, preferring Aintree at its more suitable...

Bit of a surprise. Same trainer / connections were also adamant that the horse couldonly operate on soft ground, so not sure I'd take a lot of notice of that forum comment.

After the Mildmay, Colm Russell said:

"He's a big, raw horse and we weren't sure about the undulations of Cheltenham so we came here instead.

"We won't get carried away with him, but he'll grow up and improve.

"I'm not sure where we'll go next with him, but he's one to look forward to for next year. We'll dream away for the summer."

Altzheimer moment!.... Colm Murphy said

No idea what the plan is for Mikael D'Haguenet, but I would be interested in him over hurdles again. While Big bucks is undoubtedly king, this one could push him if he regains his confidence. Don't think he has the legs for jumping, always seems to crumple on landing.

id say novice chasing will be the plan for mdh, hard to see him making much of an impression tho

does he still count as a novice?

he does surely, never won a chase

Does he carry that status for the whole year again so could potentially run in the RSA again? That seems to be what the rules suggest, but it seems strange and can't have happened that often

yep, he can run in the rsa every year til he dies provided he never wins a chase!
not many run more than once in the rsa, because if theyre any good ie. worthy of running in it, then theyve generally won already earlier in the season

It must be a rare thing for horse a to run in the RSA not having won before, still I think they would get more joy reverting to hurdles. He didn't show much in his last race at Punchestown, but who knows a full summer without injury and a win to regain confidence and he's still young enough to be a player

I'd be a big supporter of MDH if going down the World Hurdle route, think Mullins will perservere over fences though? Anyone in Ireland know anymore?

I think Rule Supreme had run in a few novice chases one season and came back in the RSA the following yr to win it.

In fact he won over fences I think at Punchestown late on meaning he was not a novice in Ireland but he was in the UK. The following yr he ran the Feltham over here and handicaps in Ireland, including a National trial, before going on to win the RSA. I only remember it vividly because he beat Our Vic at 25s, who I had the mortgage on (did not stay), at 11/8 after sluicing up in the reynoldstown.

Rule Supreme could not really jump though and thereafter he made repeated mistakes so was mainly campaigned back over hurdles. I think he was an outstanding hurdler.

Bellvano could do the same this yr (but wont, being no good).

good post that carver dont remember that

Howdi, were you (like me) all over Our Vic too

yes carver had him at 16-1 ante post that year ruddy thing must have hit 1.3 during the race and i never laid off. Then laid him the year he won the rynair great old boy he was but a fecking nightmare for my pocket

Same too mate - i loved him to bits but I think he detested me. He gave a stone and a hammering to Neptune in the Charlie Hall one day. He did not come off the bridle. Another grim affair! I remember David Pipe saying, after he had won the Ryanair, he thought he'd improved the horse a few pounds after taking over from his dad Martin!!

i loved him when we sulked which he did frequently one time pulled up before first at cheltenham forget the race.

Timeform should have invented a new line for him


'coul;dn't be arsed'

CUE CARD
This horse strikes me as an ideal horse to go chasing with ,very athletic at his hurdles he'll be very
quick at his fences. Lost his way a bit last year but could see him being rejuvenated over fences.

Disappointing to here that their sending PEDDLERS CROSS over fences. He is easliy the best english 2m hurdler
and could have mopped up the fighting fifth, christmas hurdle and Bula hurdle before having to encounter
the mighty HF again. What if HF picks up a injury? Hope jumping fences doesn't mess him up as he's the best
english 2m hurdler I've seen for a long time.

Hollow Tree. That was one tasty debut today...

Thegreatjohnbrowne should win a decent 2 1/2 - 3 mile handicap chase round Punchestown or Fairyhouse and could end up being high class.

Jessies Dream is a potentially top class 2 1/2 mile chaser who can win a big handicap chase off his  current mark.

Minella Class should be top class over 2 1/2 - 3 miles and fences but Cheltenham may not be his track.

Diamond Hary to win anything in softt ground left handed before Christmas. Flat track preferred.

Iconoclast to carry on winning right handed in soft ground over fences. Best fresh.

lovethehigherlaw is popular mainly down to his high profile scrap with waaheb in the punchestown champion flat race but for the purposes of selecting an irish novice to follow i'll be looking at MOUNT BENBULBEN who beat the former pointless last season and was promptly bought by mullins for £250,000.

CHAMPION COURT is another that i'll be keeping a close eye on, although he had a mishap first time out chasing up at perth when unseating i think he has a big future over the larger obstacles, he was classy over hurdles winning a grade 2 after hitting practically every hurdle but staying on strongly to win going away.....in the albert bartlett he once again absolutely tanked through the race but coming down the hill got caught out but stayed on to finish 4th.......he needs to jump better over fences than he did hurdles races....and learn to settle better...but to pull like he does and be able to last as long as he did in his races shows his quality i think... he has the potential to be able to compete against the very best novices this year.

MONTBAZON

I would be very interested in Rigour Back Bob for the RSA if he were to go over fences.  Badly hampered at the top of the hill in the World Hurdle but ran on really well to be beaten only 5 lengths by Big Bucks, moral 2nd in my book.

Makes him strong fancy if goes chasing.

rigour back bob will win plenty  i am a layer of long run

I like the look of Hidden Cyclone too, as a novice chaser of promise in Ireland.

all round disappointing start for mount benbulben.....came down on the flat but barely jumped a hurdle cleanly before that...don't know why i thought mullins had bought him....elliott has got him.

fearless,

Also SANDS COVE, a bumper horse that hosed up in filthy ground at Roscommon 10 days ago, well backed before drifting like a refugee boat from Northern Africa before the off(5-2 out to 9-2). It won on the bridle under Nina C, and Swan said afterwards it was the best horse he'd had so far. That might have had a touch of the adverts about it, but it was a taking performance. Can't wait to see it on a decent surface, hopefully just as good. The first post of the 2012 Festival: bring it on...Out at 10to6

Mono Man
Quito De La Roque
Ghizao ( hopefully jumping improves from last two runs, on big prices Champion Chase )

Where or when can expect to see CEDRE BLEU ???

That one to cross off list Ghizao one thinks poor run, lets hope Quito does business Saturday!

Montbazon looked decent there on ground which wouldn't suit, I'd be interested in some 33's for the Supreme

Think Montbrazon has massive potential,Ran a very creditable race today on ground that the trainer had expressed concerns about prior to the race against an older horse who is already proven on heavy ground and is bred with an abundence of stamina.Think the 33-1 will have long gone if infact it ever existed

Neptune or Supreme horse though? Thats the dilemma when backing antepost for the novices

Quite right Bluebird,IMHO i'd think they may lean towards the supreme with Montbazon but that is purely my own opinion