Cheltenham Festival
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28 Feb 11
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Stats going back to '96 on my blog along with a trainer who gets you a £7k profit to £100 stakes on FTB horses http://wp.me/p1o7dN-W
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Interesting stuff SC.
I remember opposing Zaynar in the Triumph due to Henderson's very poor record putting headgear on horses. I saw it as a bit desperate, especially on just a four year old but Walkon was never getting to him :-( I was aware of the "Blinker King" (won't reveal on here so you get a few more hits on your blog!). Was very keen on one of his in first time blinkers in the Champion Hurdle a fews years back - still struggle to understand how that experiment failed to this day! |
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Nick Mordin has done some research on this and, across the board, found first time blinkers to be pretty ineffective (re profitability of punting these animals), but found they generated a good return when punting them second time.
he argued that the first time, they were getting used to the unfamilliar feel of them whilst second time they were used to them and the blnkers then had the desired effect. Don't shoot me - I'm just the messenger! Think the secret lies, as you have done, in looking behind the headline (No pun intended) figures and unearth gems like you have on your blog. |
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Excellent read, Steeple, and a really well presented and informative site. Bookmarked and will certainly be keeping up to date with your postings.
It would be interesting to compare your figures for FTB with those for horses wearing blinkers next time out after wearing them for the first time, assuming there is a database that would facilitate easy calculation of this. The idea that horses need at least one run to get use to the fitting of aids, such as blinkers, is probably just as misleading as the notion that FTB more likely than not will bring about improvement in a horse. But it would be interesting to look at the figures on this for the sake of comparison and further discussion. Likewise, of course, figures on what happens when the 'shields' are removed might make interesting reading. Again, there is the view that at least one run is required with the headgear left off before any significant benefit will be realised. Skill in knowing when and where, and with which horses, to apply headgear is probably one of the most, if not THE most, significant factor in determining the effectiveness of blinkers. Comparison between the records of different trainers in that respect makes interesting reading, and the figures you quote for one trainer who has been particularly successful helps to suggest a number of avenues for potentially fruitful further analysis. All the best, Steeple, and good luck for your Cheltenham bets. |
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Thinking along the same lines as Roger there; I am going to have to think more now about punting Long Run in the GC.
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Thank you gentlemen. Am going to try and concentrate mostly on my blog from now on - got steadily worn down ploughing through argumentative/repetitive posts on here. I'll drop some links in when covering subjects like this that might be of interest to you guys.
All the best |
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SC,
Could I ask where you get you numbers from? I just think that for a relatively recently started trainer, to have tried 106 different horses in blinkers a pretty high number. |
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Hi Equimine, I use the excellent adrianmassey.com. Pipe's been training a big string of horses for almost 5 years - around 20 horses a year doesn't seem too bad to me.
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SC,
I see how you get the numbers now. You don't take into account if they had previously worn any other type of headgear. A visor for instance. |
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Afraid not, filters don't work for that. Can find out first time headgear of any sort + tongue tie but not allied to previous wearings
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