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stallion
19 Feb 11 11:19
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Report booster February 19, 2011 11:36 AM GMT
Wouldn't really fancy him for anything but guess he'd have to go for the William Hill Chase?
Report call it a day February 19, 2011 4:25 PM GMT
After today, the egg and spoon.
Report flyingbolt February 19, 2011 4:29 PM GMT
Probably the WH Chase although I'd certainly be interested if he went for the Coral Cup or the Plate.
Report buddeliea February 19, 2011 4:36 PM GMT
dont think it will be the World hurdle like some thought earlier this season.

i dont really know what they do now,possibly the same as last year??
Report Albion Dan February 19, 2011 4:46 PM GMT
Pretty sure he will go for the Will Hill after today.
Report brandyontherocks February 19, 2011 4:48 PM GMT
wouldn't back it for anything after todays run
Report Hussard February 19, 2011 5:48 PM GMT
Horse has been aimed to atone for last year protected his chase mark all season for the big day in March. An easier trade you will not find.
Report sageform February 19, 2011 6:03 PM GMT
Hard to fancy it for anything unless the going was an excuse today.
Report sintonian February 19, 2011 8:45 PM GMT
I wouldn't be overly confident about Cheltenhma winning, but equally I dont see what he did wrong today tbh. He placed 2nd in a grade 2 over 3 miles on heavy ground. He jumped and travelled, and King said he is likely to improve again.

i'd not write him just yet imo
Report PFtrader February 19, 2011 10:13 PM GMT
Agree with Sintonian

For a horse who was reportedly pretty ill during the autumn and having only his second run back, I thought there was a lot of encouragement from that run today. He still has an engine as he travelled the best for most of the race and ultimately tired in the heavy ground.

Nothing there to make me throw away my a/p Festival Handicap Chase vouchers, if anything it makes it fairly clear cut that the World Hurdle is no longer a realistic target therefore all roads point to the handicap chase for me.
Report magic carpet February 19, 2011 10:35 PM GMT
Considering Bensalem nearly died of colic after returning from Punchestown its a miracle hes even managed to race at all this season.On first watch of todays race i was slightly disappointed with Bensalem,having travelled really well he found very little when asked for his effort from two out.However when u consider that the ground was desperate and that todays race was expected to be used as a stepping stone towards gaining race fitness for Cheltenham then i don't think it was too bad at all.If returning to fences off a mark of 143 in the W Hill chase i would think he would be of major intrest
Report duffy February 20, 2011 12:17 AM GMT
the worry is that it wasn't a gradual tiring today.....he went from cruising to nothing in a matter of strides....that is always a concern when they start doing that, it was something similar last time too.
Report cruise d February 20, 2011 12:28 AM GMT
He would have to be a place bet for me in the William Hill trophy at best. You would think he is sure to go there now. There will be other sleepers in the race that have been held back for it. He looked for all the world to be the winner last year before falling but people that assume he was sure to have won last year such as Simon Holt on the morning line this morning really annoy me. How many times does a horse travelling well find little when push comes to shove?

He will be well handicapped and go there with a live chance but it's a tough race to win and I'd rather look elsewhere for something at a bigger price in this race.
Report sintonian February 20, 2011 2:59 PM GMT
Cheltenham is also Bensalem's target despite his defeat by Cross Kennon over hurdles on heavy ground at Haydock on Saturday.

However, he is set to revert to fences in the Festival Handicap Chase, a race he fell in two out in 2010 when holding every chance.

"He got outstayed at Haydock. I think that second run back will just put him right and he'd be pretty certain to go for the three-mile handicap chase at Cheltenham," added the Barbury Castle handler.
Report Hussard February 21, 2011 11:26 AM GMT
10-1 into 7-1 today. An easy easy trade. Probably be 6's soon lay off free 4-1 which is tidy.
Report spothediference February 21, 2011 10:27 PM GMT
massive fan of this horse since his novice hurdle days,backed him to recoup last year losses in the william chase but very worried the way he has finished his last 2 races.put the cheltenham run down to the fact he blew up on his reappearance but i found his run at the weekend more alarming as he just emtied or maybe downd tools ever so fast when push came to shove-trainer said he was outstayed on the day. whats peoples opinion on his run at the weekend?
Report Koo.... February 21, 2011 10:36 PM GMT
downed tools when it became hard work
Report resner not lesnar February 21, 2011 10:47 PM GMT
I want to believe its just taking the horse a bit of time to get back to his best (illness, lay off, 2 tough races - so you could make a case for it).

But it is a major concern the way he cruised up then found nothing, could just be another who finds little off the bridle. Don't think we'll know for sure until the race. Wouldn't back him now, but there's a chance that if he travels like that again he could well trade alot lower
Report Koo.... February 21, 2011 11:07 PM GMT
it might find for pressure on better ground, or it might come up against one less tough than Cross Kennon.   One thing for certain if you bet it you'll be laying off IR
Report sintonian February 22, 2011 12:09 PM GMT
yeah agree, could be a variety of things, the heavy ground over 3 miles, he could have needed it again ( if he has been plotted for the WH all season then likely) or he could have just downed tools.

I'd suggest they have just gave him a couple of preps .. why not when his chase mark is 143 ?
Report Hussard February 22, 2011 1:31 PM GMT
It's obviously the plan to keep his chase rating down but fraught with danger considering he is a dodgy conveyance and Jonjo, Pipe and various others will all have their own plots under the radar. In saying that he was hacking last year with King's horses in the doldrums. Intresting to see if it comes off for connections.
Report flyingbolt February 22, 2011 2:33 PM GMT
I thought he was outstayed on Saturday. He has yet to win over 3m. Maybe on better ground he'll be ok but I won't be paying to find out.
I'd like to see him drop in trip.
Report boca87 February 22, 2011 2:35 PM GMT
Billy Hill Chase for sure. He will be my main bet of the festival too, been getting a few spare quid on it for last 8 weeks or so.
Report boca87 February 22, 2011 3:05 PM GMT
Alan King on his Cheltenham chances
http://bit.ly/fI6nEq
Report spothediference February 22, 2011 5:05 PM GMT
thanks 4 opinions-this from sport life interview with king-Ran well on Saturday at Haydock in atrocious ground. He probably got there too soon as he's a horse who only really has one finishing run. We ended up getting dragged into a real slog which wouldn't have suited but it was still a good run. He was a very sick horse in the autumn and he's done well to get back on the track. It (the Haydock run) has made our decision a bit easier and he definitely won't go for the Ladbrokes World Hurdle now - he's in the Festival Chase and the Byrne Group handicap - if it came up testing ground I'd certainly be happy to run him over two miles five furlongs. He was travelling very well when coming down two out last year, and is off the same mark. He hasn't seen a fence this year but we'll do lots of schooling with him and give him a gallop on the point-to-point-course in about 10 days' time. I think he retains all of his ability and I do think you'll see the proper Bensalem at Cheltenham.
Report woodworm February 22, 2011 6:39 PM GMT
Seems set in stone now, the question is how far will he win by?

Seriously though, looks thrown in off his current mark if he can brush up his fencing and finish his race; the only niggling doubt for me is his illness over the summer and whether it had any lasting effects.
Report spothediference February 22, 2011 10:35 PM GMT
woodworm- the finishing off of his races is a massive IF going on his last2 races but kings last comment on seeing a diff horse at chelt is positive my reading of that is he wasnt fully wound up and chelt is the aim.
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