Cheltenham Festival
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17 Jan 11
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TFR goes for the Argento Chase on Jan 29th at Cheltenham, regularly a decent Gold Cup trial. If he wins, connections will be sorely tempted to have a tilt at the Gold Cup. 16/1 is available NRNB and it strikes me as value simply because he will shorten should he win the Argento and miss the GC if he doesn't win.
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I can see the angle your coming from. Eric Morris will probably go into a meltdown if he does go for the gold cup and will probably accuse you of having an agenda for even raising the topic steeple
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i think this means there is value inthe RSA market as anything u back now will shorten by a hell of a lot if he runs well/wins the argento and looks like a gold cup contender and if he doesnt go gold cup then u still have a nice price on a horse/horses in the RSA
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Steeple what else do you think will head for that trial?
Poss The Midnightclub, Pride Of Dulcote, Caruthers? By the way I have found the perfect venue for the Preview Night will email you this week regarding it. |
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is the 16s with laddies?sensible bet coz if he doesnt win or go close in the argento then he,l revert to rsa.
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pride of dulcote is heading for irish hennessy weekend after
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Yes, 16 with laddies. abbott - that's good news mate. Don't know what else will go for Argento but according to TFR trainer, he goes there unless it's abandoned. Things might get a bit scary for him if Bobby D decides to send IC there. I'd expect Pride of Dulcote to run but we will see.
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My only worry with your bet would be if a below par field turn up. He beats them and is still available at a bigger price.
From memory weve not had a top class winner for a number of years, maybe exotic dancer? |
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didnt joe lively win it?
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Quality of last three winners might be questionable but overall, pretty sound trial:
1997 One Man 9 Richard Dunwoody Gordon W. Richards 1998 See More Business 8 Timmy Murphy Paul Nicholls 1999 Cyfor Malta 6 Tony McCoy Martin Pipe 2000 Looks Like Trouble 8 Norman Williamson Noel Chance 2001 See More Business 11 Mick Fitzgerald Paul Nicholls 2002 Rince Ri 9 Ruby Walsh Ted Walsh 2003 Behrajan 8 Richard Johnson Henry Daly 2004 Jair du Cochet 7 Jacques Ricou Guillaume Macaire 2005 Grey Abbey 11 Graham Lee Howard Johnson 2006 See You Sometime [1] 11 Andrew Thornton Seamus Mullins 2007 Exotic Dancer 7 Tony McCoy Jonjo O'Neill 2008 Knowhere 10 Paddy Brennan Nigel Twiston-Davies 2009 Joe Lively 10 Joe Tizzard Colin Tizzard 2010 Taranis |
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Thats kind of what I mean ftm. He was a cracking horse but never a gold cup candidate.
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No doubting the quality of Taranis on his day imv
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he would have beaten nortons coin....but i agree .perhaps its too close to gc.only gives them 4weeks with no room for error,injury etc.id be shocked if ic didnt go straight for gold cup now
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If I wasn't convinced he will win the RSA Chase by multiple lengths I would agree; connections would be foolish to miss out on a wedge of prize money when they could just run him in the Gold Cup next year, which will be minus Denman; a horse im sure novice chasers should avoid!
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Steeple just emailed you.
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what price TFR for GC if he wins a weak Pillar??
not convinced it will be that much difference to what it is now,or would be on the day. Fair way behind the big boys,and winning a weak Pillar chase would not get me rushing to back him to beat the likes of IC and Denman. |
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Are they seriously considering this? RSA looks rotten and he's a stand out performer
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Only defo runner i can think of is Tidal Bay
IC defo goes straight to Gold Cup |
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what price will he go off in the pillar do you think boys?
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no midea till i see the opposition
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Taranis again?
Punchestowns a possible? |
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Or Pride Of Dulcote
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TFR
Tidal Bay Taranis Carruthers id expect them to run any others confirmed? |
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Stays, has class, is young, jumps superbly (touch wood) 3 from 5 at Cheltenham (2nd to Big Buck's and Tidal Bay in other two). Denman and KS 11 years old (49 years back to last 11-y-o winner). IC is 10 just two 10-y-o winners since 1990.
I'm not saying he'll win or even run, just that the bet appeals. |
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What about Midnight Chase?
Weird Al any news? Neptune Collognes  |
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Aah Tidal,the ol rogue himself,one of my fav hoeses though,just love the way he just does what he likes!!
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Punchestowns goes for AON (tho is entered at Haydock saturday)
Pride of Dulcote Irish Hennessy. I can see NTD running Ollie Magern and Henderson Barbers Shop |
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cheers stormey
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Midnight Chase wont run til Festival trainer says
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weird al had breathing op so a case of how quickly they can get it back fit to race. sounds like neptune collonges is being targeted at grand national. midnight chase going straight to festival. willbe interesting to see pride of dulcote against pandorama (think latter will win on soft) in irish hennessy, and what a friend against punchestowns in the AON. starting to heat up alot :D
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So it's a match between Tidal Bay and Time For Rupert again then? ffs
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FFT-Strangely i think even the weights are the same as last years Cleeve!!
TFR 11 4 TB 11 0 Think itl be a diff result tho!! |
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Aye ;)
TFR would still have to absolutely muller whatever field he's up against to be considered for the Gold Cup imo |
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Well im spuds deep on TFR for the RSA at prices from 12s to 6s and to be honest id sooner he wasnt running in this as a win is only gonna increase the pressure to go for Gold
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lay it off at 3s/4s stormey1?
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I wasn't overly keen on Time For Rupert for the RSA to begin with, probably because of how keen I was on the previous year's Stayers Hurdle runner up
 Been proven utterly wrong with him so far. The RSA is his to lose imv |
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Paul4-not my style to lay off.suits some and not others im in the latter camp
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i still like wymott, and think the minack could be something special tbh
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stormey1 im not a layer, i only bet small stakes so just lay off to get my stake back to put on something else :) good luck anyway, im not the biggest time for rupert fan (i rate it, just dont love it) but if it wins then would be deservedly
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Stormey,if Tidal decides to put in a performance he will win against TFR over hurdles every time,fences not so sure though,but i would wager his engine is as good as anyones,his attitude to the game however unfortunately is not.
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