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Ibrahima Sonko
18 Nov 10 15:14
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I see this well touted horse makes its hurdle debut at ascot over 2m3f tomorrow, will he be aimed at the 2m or 2m5f race at cheltenham Confused

I cant see it in the betting for the 2m5f race.

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Alvarado
When: 18 Nov 10 16:15
2m mile race hopefully this is a proper horse nicky hendersons best novice hurdler apparently.im one of those who think cue card is NOT  a certainty and i believe this to be one of hs biggest dangers.its a good race tommorow though
By:
flyingbolt
When: 18 Nov 10 16:24
Very surprised they are not starting him off over 2m. Seems to have speed to burn.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 19 Nov 10 12:57
I would not be taking evens on its debut, Henderson doesnt always have his smart hurdlers that fit on their first run.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 19 Nov 10 13:20
Good enough debut, pulled hard and jumped well until the straight where he got tired and made a couple of mistakes.

Reminded me of Riverside Theatre on his hurdling debut at newbury, he will come on tons by the look of it.
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 19 Nov 10 13:27
Agree IS. Looked like he'd be better off dropped back to 2m all the same.
By:
Alvarado
When: 19 Nov 10 14:00
very good first run he travelled all over frascati park but blew up and barry wasant hard on him either he,ll make a top horse
By:
flyingbolt
When: 19 Nov 10 14:48
2 miler without a doubt.
By:
the istabraq years
When: 19 Nov 10 15:39
i couldnt understand why they started it over 2m 3f , he is all speed and clearly a 2 miler...ive been all over him ew at 25s for the supreme and i see the price is unchanged.

when wound up, over 2 miles and with a good pace i can see him being very very high class....jumped great too.
By:
flyingbolt
When: 19 Nov 10 16:03
Totally agree,Istabraq.
By:
rhinestone
When: 19 Nov 10 16:43
Pretty much agree with the above. Reminded me a bit of Mad Max, the way he travelled in his first??? novice hurdle.
By:
sageform
When: 19 Nov 10 19:22
Still got well beaten by a horse that had failed to win in 6 previous runs. Can he really be top class?
By:
buddeliea
When: 19 Nov 10 19:32
Not sure about him at all to be honest.Pulled first few furlongs,then settled and travelled and jumped fine,Would like to have seen him quicken at the end,but fto and maybe a bit too far could be valid reasons for that,plus pulling early on dont help.Have backed him for supreme and will watch his next race with fingers crossed!!
By:
Alvarado
When: 19 Nov 10 20:10
frascati park is a funny horse one time he can look really good then other times he looks moderate and he is battle hardenend unlike sprinter sacre who still looked green and was blowing alot after the race apparently. back to 2m ridden more postively will help him also and his jumping was excellent
By:
rhinestone
When: 19 Nov 10 21:05
Early last season Menorah ran a similar race, getting outstayed by a fair yardstick over 2m4f, before dropping back to his optimum, then obviously ending up with the Supreme.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 19 Nov 10 21:08
frascati park is a decent yardstick imo, i always trust a henderson novice to improve an awful lot after its debut.
By:
TD_Gunner
When: 19 Nov 10 21:21
It's not often I'm impressed with a horse that gets beaten... but, this horse could be a bit special imo.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 19 Nov 10 22:15
Thinking about it sageform, can you name a better horse that was beaten on his last 6 runs Confused

I know FP is a disappointing horse but he is a decent yardstick.
By:
unclepuncle
When: 19 Nov 10 22:42
I also backed him a month or so ago for the Supreme and he will obviously be suited by a drop in trip but he travelled and jumped really well until 2 out and in the end was well beaten by a useful, but not top class horse.

I don't really subscribe to the view that he should come on a bundle - Hendersons good horses normally win first time out so although he is clearly very talented I don't see him as a Supreme winner anymore. Will be well suited to flatter sharper tracks like Kempton and Aintree.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 19 Nov 10 22:50
NH trains horses for targets.

NH trains novices to peak during their career and never on their debut.

I am starting to learn or i am clutching at straws.
By:
sintonian
When: 20 Nov 10 00:06
fwiw, if you look at Frascatis Parks form closely you'll see his winning form is actually on Good or Good to Soft. In all of his hurdle races barring today he has raced on Soft or Heavy going, so perhaps that is why he got his head in front. He was well backed today aswell.

I'd not rule out SS  for either trip at the moment tbh.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 20 Nov 10 14:44
That didnt do the form any harm
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 05 Feb 11 13:35
That's more like it. Happy
By:
Ballydoyle
When: 05 Feb 11 13:41
very nice...i have 25s tucked away..hopefully he runs in Supreme. Would maybe like another race for experience
By:
buddeliea
When: 05 Feb 11 13:43
yep,could not have won more easily,at least we know we have a contender now,and a definite runner i would think unlike most of the fancies!!
By:
Masterminded
When: 05 Feb 11 14:10
This is a MACHINE. Think it wins the Supreme
By:
rymattock
When: 05 Feb 11 18:01
lets hope so! ^^^
By:
Alvarado
When: 05 Feb 11 20:08
very good as expected today but i wonder who barry geraghty prefers him or spirit son/minella class if i was henderson id save Sprinter for aintree run him again in a few weeks for experince
By:
Harvey2Face
When: 05 Feb 11 23:38
Seems he prefers Sprinter Sacre, according to NH:


"Sprinter Sacre is very good and will get even better. He's big baby, but a very good one," said Henderson.

"We have some good novices, but Barry likes him and I suspect he thinks he might be the best of them."
By:
Alvarado
When: 05 Feb 11 23:59
intresting
By:
R Carver
When: 06 Feb 11 09:45
This horse appear to have it all. He'll make some chaser too, touch wood, because he has tremendous size and scope.

Will they even send him to the Supreme? He looks a bit babyish and raw to me, and if he were mine i'd be seriously tempted to skip the race (particularly with the ammunition the trainer has for the race, he may be tempted to persuade the owner to by-pass it, as he did with Punchestowns as a novice (although he made his UK debut a bit late, in the February)).

However, I am not certain that the horse's relative lack of experience will convince the trainer not to go, particularly if the jockey thinks it is his best 2m novice. In recent history he took Oscar into the same race on the back of 2 hurdles runs and 4 runs altogether (like Sprinter Sacre) and, although he'd had more flat runs, Ainama had only run over hurdles twice. Further back, Flown ran in the race (I think) with only 1 hurdles run.
By:
buddeliea
When: 06 Feb 11 09:47
yer right about flown mate,i was there that day,he had one 1 next to his name.
By:
R Carver
When: 06 Feb 11 09:49
Happy memories!
By:
wellchief
When: 06 Feb 11 09:57
Great work by those who are on at 25's [;)], shame I'm not one of them Sad

The Supreme needs abit of strength in depth, bit too top heavy at the moment for me
By:
buddeliea
When: 06 Feb 11 09:58
yeh,backed flown,then had young pokey in the arkle,then a load of losers.Royal gait won the CH,i backed Morley street-think hes still runningLaugh
By:
GI MAC
When: 06 Feb 11 10:03
please don't use words like "Aintree" or "bypass" brings a tear to my eye.

I'd be gutted if he didn't go. I see he's more or less ruled out Chablis from the festival.

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/cheltenham2011/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/11/02/03/manual_163131.html&BID=20209
By:
Masterminded
When: 06 Feb 11 10:09
I will be pretty shocked if he doesn't run in the Supreme. Might be lacking a bit in experience but is not going to be lacking in talent. Barry and Nicky knew this was their best novice and I was told the same at the start of the season. I was soooo dissapointed with his first run but it looks as though that one can have a line put through it and Frascati Park isn't a bad horse. If he comes out of his race well all he can do is improve. I think this horse is a bit special.
By:
wellchief
When: 06 Feb 11 10:19
Would you say the 16's that still available with Korals is value?
By:
Masterminded
When: 06 Feb 11 10:20
please don't use words like "Aintree" or "bypass" brings a tear to my eye.

I'd be gutted if he didn't go. I see he's more or less ruled out Chablis from the festival.

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/cheltenham2011/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/11/02/03/manual_163131.html&BID=20209


don't remind me about Chablais Cry
By:
R Carver
When: 06 Feb 11 10:21
Budd - was that the yr Osbourn (efectively) won the top jockey with a treble on the first day? My god, it seems like yesterday!
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