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Report SontaranStratagem September 25, 2021 11:11 PM BST
A proper manufactured champion Cry
Report dr . atkins September 25, 2021 11:11 PM BST
joshua got lucky with the second fight because ruiz was 5 stone overweight take it from me joshua cant take a punch no more think he will stop boxing
Report Kriskin September 25, 2021 11:11 PM BST
Sontaran - understand the Hearn show but there was no way they could have manipulated that result tonight
Report tobermory September 25, 2021 11:11 PM BST
Wilder would not land a punch on Usyk in 40 rounds
Report johnnythebull September 25, 2021 11:11 PM BST
crowd is full of single digit,inbred,chav untermensch
Report lurka September 25, 2021 11:12 PM BST
He's been avoiding the best guys and looking to stay in the uk his entire career. As soon as he went to US he got found out. Wilder would ko him out cold.

The sport has no governing body. Run by promoters who keep the best fighters apart their entire careers.
Report n88uk September 25, 2021 11:12 PM BST
AJ claims Wilder will beat Fury by decision, but part of me think that's just a wind up.
Report n88uk September 25, 2021 11:13 PM BST
Does anyone believe in the Malik Scott master plan?
Report tobermory September 25, 2021 11:13 PM BST
Winning the rematch gonna be much harder than against Ruiz. Usyk is not gonna spend 6 months in KFC
Report SontaranStratagem September 25, 2021 11:13 PM BST
Fury Vs Usyk for all the belts would be best now

Joshua might be best just taking the Wilder fight and cashing in

Although when Fury messes with him again in two weeks how the feck do you sell that fight? both have 2 defeats on their CVs and Wilder robbed a draw to boot

Although Eddie will find a way of selling the sludge to the gullible Laugh
Report now wheres that switch!!! September 25, 2021 11:13 PM BST
Behave Toby… Usyk is bang bang average…. Was you against a very poor champion though. I’ve always thought Fury would wipe the floor with him. But I really hope they don’t let little Usyk in the ring with the proper heavyweights
Report johnnythebull September 25, 2021 11:13 PM BST
Fury's massively overrated as well but he's very tall and clinches his way to victory..also well chinny
Report now wheres that switch!!! September 25, 2021 11:14 PM BST
Fury v Usyk..

1/10 8/1
Report lurka September 25, 2021 11:14 PM BST
He wouldn't win a round against Fury
Report tobermory September 25, 2021 11:14 PM BST
Wilder cannot actually box though, and Usyk is way more elusive even than Fury.
Report now wheres that switch!!! September 25, 2021 11:15 PM BST
Fury is the best boxer but also th best fighter in the division. Would have Usyk leaving the ring with the medics..
Report wolf3011 September 25, 2021 11:15 PM BST

Sep 25, 2021 -- 10:58PM, tobermory wrote:


I have it 6-5 AJ


Thank God you weren't scoring the fight- judges had him losing by 4, I had him losing by 6. You're clueless chap and should stop scoring boxing matches unless you have a guide dog

Report now wheres that switch!!! September 25, 2021 11:16 PM BST
No.. he was just able to dodge Aj.. but so could you and I….Fury could fight him without any training camp and beat him cosily
Report lurka September 25, 2021 11:16 PM BST
Wilder would only have to hit AJ with one half decent punch and his legs would go
Report wolf3011 September 25, 2021 11:16 PM BST

Sep 25, 2021 -- 11:08PM, Rico-Dangleflaps wrote:


tobermory either sponsored by specsavers or got a spice problem.


Laugh

Report SontaranStratagem September 25, 2021 11:17 PM BST
Even fast Eddie couldn't even fix that one up, even he couldn't bring himself to do it

I think that shows how badly beaten AJ was then?
Report tobermory September 25, 2021 11:17 PM BST
Well I can't argue, really need to stop betting on boxing lol
Report SontaranStratagem September 25, 2021 11:17 PM BST
Eddie might have been wise to hire Tober as a judge Whoops
Report oddduck September 25, 2021 11:18 PM BST
Uysk 6/4 at start of 11th, unbelievable scenes
Report SontaranStratagem September 25, 2021 11:18 PM BST
You just can't trust the judging though to be fair
Report johnnythebull September 25, 2021 11:19 PM BST
Eddie,wideboy,u gotta find urself a new meal ticket that can deliver
Report jin_kazz September 25, 2021 11:20 PM BST
good fight
Report tobermory September 25, 2021 11:20 PM BST
Eddie doesn't have much left if AJ dont win the rematch
Report wolf3011 September 25, 2021 11:21 PM BST
sky will be in tears their poster " VIP" boy has been flattened
Report jin_kazz September 25, 2021 11:21 PM BST
that was some schooling really..
Report SontaranStratagem September 25, 2021 11:21 PM BST
Hughie Fury was wise to sign with slick Eddie

If he can manufacture AJ to this then think what he can do with a proper elusive fighter in Hughie Fury Silly
Report bobweenit September 25, 2021 11:21 PM BST
Usyk is a big name , never been beaten and reigned undispuited at cruiser he was always gonna get a fair crack on the cards. He isnt Cambells Hattons opponemt, if u have a bit of weight behind your name and it's convincing they struggle to stitch u up
Report lurka September 25, 2021 11:21 PM BST
If Usyk was behind and needed a KO. Good chancehe'd have got it imo
Report bobweenit September 25, 2021 11:22 PM BST

Sep 25, 2021 -- 11:21PM, jin_kazz wrote:


that was some schooling really..


That was his last fight on Sky, Adam Smith couldnt hide his delight the Ukranian scho00led him

Report bobweenit September 25, 2021 11:22 PM BST

Sep 25, 2021 -- 11:21PM, wolf3011 wrote:


sky will be in tears their poster " VIP" boy has been flattened


Above was at wolf

Report wolf3011 September 25, 2021 11:22 PM BST
Joshua was close to being stopped last round, imagine what fury would do to him- he'd be leaving in either an ambulance or a hearse
Report Des Pond September 25, 2021 11:22 PM BST
They were able to swing the hatton fight, because nobody really cares about that one, but no way they could job Usyk as well. It would've been far too obvious, and too big a fight.
Report bobweenit September 25, 2021 11:23 PM BST
He mad3 Ukraine proud Jin and me , top bloke your boy did good
Report Tattcorner September 25, 2021 11:23 PM BST
What price was Usyk this morning?
Report wolf3011 September 25, 2021 11:23 PM BST
Around 3.4
Report lurka September 25, 2021 11:24 PM BST
Would love to see AJ hit hard by Wilder
Report Tattcorner September 25, 2021 11:24 PM BST
Thanks wolf
Report johnnythebull September 25, 2021 11:24 PM BST
had he had more power he would've defo stopped AJ..very fast hands..AJ's chin is his Achilles heel bigtime
Report lurka September 25, 2021 11:26 PM BST
Hearn saying AJ is facing the best consistently. LOL
Report SontaranStratagem September 25, 2021 11:26 PM BST
AJ is to muscly, imagine the oxygen it takes to run those things Cry
Report bobweenit September 25, 2021 11:27 PM BST

Sep 25, 2021 -- 11:26PM, lurka wrote:


Hearn saying AJ is facing the best consistently. LOL


Pissed myself at that

Report SontaranStratagem September 25, 2021 11:27 PM BST
I can remember Dwayne Johnson claiming he leaned down for WWF because it was fast paced and he couldn't keep it up with all the muscle

Similar to boxing
Report tobermory September 25, 2021 11:28 PM BST
Eubank jr is now the flagship of Sky Boxing
Report lurka September 25, 2021 11:30 PM BST
you need to be loose and limber for boxing, if you lift heavy weights like a body builder you get tight, knotty muscles and they restrict all of that and your movement. They give you as much extra power as fat does. Totally useless in boxing
Report tobermory September 25, 2021 11:31 PM BST
AJ has actually slimmed down, sure he was much heavier for a few earlier fights
Report stu September 25, 2021 11:32 PM BST
Have to say I got that totally wrong.

But, very disappointing from Joshua still - I didn't see that poor a performance coming.
Report SontaranStratagem September 25, 2021 11:32 PM BST
The thing is though muscle doesn't necessarily mean power

Speed and accuracy = power

AJ still has to much muscle tober, far to much, he'd be better letting some of it turn to fat
Report SontaranStratagem September 25, 2021 11:33 PM BST
Its to late now though, takes 2 to 3 years to make a proper transformation
Report wolf3011 September 25, 2021 11:34 PM BST
Exactly SS, fury and Usyk look like guys down the pub compared to the likes of Joshua who looks like a sculpted body builder. One of the best pound for pound fighters ever was Joe calzaghe who wasn't heavily muscled at super middleweight compared to some but still blasted out guys looking more impressive
Report lurka September 25, 2021 11:34 PM BST
Tyson never lifted heavy weights. Only body weight, all calisthenics. He looked muscly because he was built that way. The only weights he did were for neck shrugs to strenghten his neck muscles as a ko defence
Report wolf3011 September 25, 2021 11:37 PM BST
Ultimately speed wins out over power in most instances, Joshua is just too slow
Report tictacman1 September 25, 2021 11:37 PM BST
AND THE NEW!......

Oleksandr Usyk is crowned as the new unified world heavyweight champion after a unanimous decision win over Anthony Joshua with scores of 117-112, 116-112, 115-113.
Report n88uk September 25, 2021 11:39 PM BST
https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1441706227071868934
Report n88uk September 25, 2021 11:41 PM BST
^Fury sizing up the opposition.
Report SontaranStratagem September 25, 2021 11:47 PM BST
I think Eddie knows AJ is done hence the DAZN buy out
Report johnnythebull September 25, 2021 11:52 PM BST
AJ knows AJ is done..amazing what hype can do in this 'modern' age

wouldn't put it past the powers that be to fabricate some some sort of virus and brainwash the gullible

might even bring the World's economy to a standstill to achieve their nefarious aims..u just never know!
Report stu September 26, 2021 12:01 AM BST
The Chisora fight also threw me, must admit - Usyk was so far better today.
Report SontaranStratagem September 26, 2021 12:04 AM BST
Motivation stu

Hard to get up for a fight like that when you know you can win the world title I guess
Report stu September 26, 2021 12:05 AM BST
Fair point yes.

I also didn't see the usual Joshua firepower today - that irks me must admit.
Report SontaranStratagem September 26, 2021 12:09 AM BST
Its hard to use the power when you can't get in range, Usyk to quick and tricky for him tonight
Report Senyatta September 26, 2021 12:29 AM BST
the fury household must be gutted. hopefully he'll take his frustrations out on that idiot wilder next month. but it will be a year before he gets to fight either usyk or AJ. another round or two and usyk had him out of there
Report Giuseppe September 26, 2021 1:11 AM BST
"Joshua - "Do you know what I'm most looking forward to about this fight? Getting back to training ...
this is still training camp. Get this done, then IU get back into training..""

wow

nice spot, biscuits
Report Giuseppe September 26, 2021 1:14 AM BST
interesting reading this thread from the start

think emit and biscuits were the only ones who predicted trouble for AJ
Report Emitdeb September 26, 2021 1:36 AM BST
Anyone wanna price up the rematch? I'm a AJ backer at anything near to 6/4..
Report mesmerised September 26, 2021 2:26 AM BST
Careers are defined and immortalised not by unbeaten records or what belts you've won or lost, they're defined by who you fought and when. Ali beat Foreman in his prime and undefeated. Foreman beat Frazier twice when he was 29 and 32, he made Frazier look like a chump and Frazier almost brought Ali to death (Foreman did not let Frazier get on the inside like Ali did). Sugar Ray Leonard beat Duran when at his peak 'no mas'. Joshua's beaten a long list of boxing pensioners years past their best, your Pulev's, Povetkin's, Takem's, Molina's, Sprott's etc, all mid to late 30's, whilst losing to roly-poly Ruiz who trained for the fight by walking to McDonadlds every day instead of getting the bus. Whyte is just a fat barroom brawler. Against Parker he trimmed down and tried to box and move but looked ordinary. Again he's come in less bulky and struggled, he needs to go back to basics and rely on the one attribute he has which is his huge size to win bouts because that's all he's got, he's hasn't the boxing IQ of a Usyk or Fury, started boxing in his late teens, that's too late. The bodybuilder physique will mean he will risk gassing out like he did for a couple rounds v Klitscho early on but it's the best tactic he has to deploy. Heavyweight is the only unlimited weight category, make use of it if you're technically average .

Same with Fraud Mayweather, manufactured legacy, got Canelo early before he was really good, avoided Pacquiao for years with drug excuses and given a 'decision' against De Lay Hoya who for my money won the fight, but he was handpicked because he at the end of his career losing fights to Mosley, Trinidad and a 39/40 year old Hopkins. His last fight v Pacqiao was tragic to watch, in the wrong weight category and couldn't throw a punch  from round 7 til it was stopped. Calzaghe was a good boxer but not a great because he was undefeated, throwing a million punches per round to up the fight stats beating journeymen doesn't make you a great fighter, though I think he would have been too quick for Froch, his most notable wins were against Roy Jones and Hopkins, again both fit for the knackers yard, showboating in the fight against Jones was a ridiculous sight, was that meant to convince people of his greatness toying with a boxer years past his peak.

The fight against Fury has lost it's shine, it would have broken all sorts of box office records if they both got it on undefeated in their late 20's. That's why Boxing is behind other sports, it's the only top level sport where the best can avoid each other for years whilst make millions coning the fans beating bums, along with this mandatory nonsense which forces fights that people don't want to see. Nobody really wants to see Fury-Wilder 3, Fury has proven to be the better boxer in the first two.

In my time watching British boxers, they all demonstrate they have heart, but most of them lack skill, the East Europeans and Americans have always been technically superior, that has to do with poor or outdated training methods.



Kind Regards.
Report tobermory September 26, 2021 9:05 AM BST
Some decent points. I wouldn't say Leonard fought peak Duran. Durant's peak was about 1975 and he was chosen as big name that was near the end. Though SRL did beat several greats near their prime.

It does seem all this fkn about with mandatories etc ultimately delays the biggest fights till they are years past sell by date.

Pacquiao-Mayweather should have been 2010, I was not gonna pay for it in 2015 and actually gave up when my link buffered halfway through.

I guess having half a dozen lower interest fights makes the equivalent cash of the super fight AND you can still have the 'superfight' when both men are some years over the hill.

Kell Brook v Amir Khan would have been very interesting up till about 2017, it's a joke now but might still happen in 2022.
Report johnnythebull September 26, 2021 10:44 AM BST
very good post..mes..you have to bear in mind that the promoters are savvy,knowing they can hype up a fight and sell it easily to the lowest common denominator who make up the audience

there's very little true sport these days..all about the greenback and esp in boxing..smoke and mirrors
Report lurka September 26, 2021 11:09 AM BST
There is a good series called Kings, it was on Showtime in the US earlier in the year, don't think it has been on over here yet, about the rivalry between Hearns, Hagler, Leonard and Duran. 4 parts with loads of footage from back then when the best fighters fought each other. A good watch if you can get a stream of it.
Report dr . atkins September 26, 2021 11:32 AM BST
how the fck did they have joshua winning up to the 8th round  its scary what is happening with boxing fights in england with the judges and refs
Report wolf3011 September 26, 2021 11:41 AM BST
Ultimately you could find flaws with all the so called great fighters throughout history as most of them had huge weaknesses both in their boxing records and style of fighting. Two heavyweights considered the greatest of all time were Ali and Tyson so let's analyse those two where many often fantasise about a fictional computer generated superfight to consider who would be considered the greatest ever.

Ali whilst undoubtedly one of the greatest athletes to have set foot in the boxing ring with incredible stamina and a chin probably second to none, certainly never had the power to even get rid of mediocre journeyman fighters early or at all labouring to contentious points wins for much of his career. The fights against Norton ( last one) Jimmy young , shavers were fights many people including me thought he lost and could quite easily have lost in decisions which were extremely dubious. Three defeats in those fights coupled to the fact he couldn't knock out people like Joe Bugner, Rudi Lubbers would certainly cast doubt on being anywhere near the "greatest ever". His best fight was beating a prime Foreman where he was battered for the whole fight sustaining huge amounts of damage with his " rope a dope" strategy that was enforced upon him as he hadn't the power to do much else and eventually beat a gassed Foreman in sweltering heat. It's no surprise he sadly ended up showing signs of brain damage long before the
end of his career as he was used as the metaphorical punch bag for much of it.

Then we have the self styled " baddest man" on the planet Mike Tyson.. undoubtedly one of the most exciting fighters in history to watch unlike Ali who was incapable of blowing opponents away like Tyson did to the stooges put infront of him but what great fighters did he actually beat? I wouldn't call paper champions like Berbick, Pinklon Thomas anywhere near great unless you categorise opponents such as Frank Bruno, geriatric larry Holmes, bonecrusher smith to fit that criteria. The only two great heavyweights in Tysons era apart from himself were lennox Lewis and Holyfield where he lost to both men who were both older than a supposedly post peak Tyson
Report bobweenit September 26, 2021 11:43 AM BST
Messy babehh Joe was a great, smashed a boxer everyone over the pond thought was the next Tyson, he abused  left hook Lacey so bad that night it ended his career also bt a great fighter Kessler in his prime.
You are talking nonense, yes towards the end of his career he moved up weight and bt a few great fighters past there prime but so was he and he moved uo weight to do it and travelled across the pond to do it after spending most of his career at home

Calazaghe was a great boxer and rightly induced into the hall of fame. If he was English he would have been a superstar on this Isle a bit like Josh taylor a lot of the English and English media only interested in their own!!

Show some respect to Joe and make your points about Joshua pre fight next timeWink everyone is a expert in hindsight but some of us have been saying Joshua is a hype job for a long time.
I think he is mentally savaged as well he speaks so much nonense I do fear for him a bit. Best thing for him to do would be retire or he will end up blowing all his money and on the crack soon when all the hangers on leave him and he realises he was a hype job who just bullied people on home soil with a load of pished up clueless casusals hanging on his every word.
Report bobweenit September 26, 2021 11:49 AM BST
Tyson was shot after the Buster fight Wolf was never the same. A prime Tyson before the fame and money effected him would have gone through Lennox and Evander I reckon. Shame he lost his way the way he did,  was some beast before he went of the rails.
But after he went of the rails he was a shadow of his formerself.
Report TINnotaTON September 26, 2021 11:50 AM BST
Called it wrong and happy to take it on the chin, but god, I've read and heard some pundit rubbish today, yes i thought joshua would win, but most certainly would never class him as anywhere near elite, last night showed him up for what he isnt. The way some of them are talking, you would think he was ali level pmsl. surprised fury is still 8-15 to win IF they ever meet. think fury would still want to fight him even beltless, just to fcuk him up. Seriously think him and hearn thought he just had to turn up last night, pity it didn't go another round, would have been carried out...
Report wolf3011 September 26, 2021 11:51 AM BST
He probably was Bob, but in judging the greatest heavyweights of all time, it's hard to make a case for a 23 year old being past his prime being considered in that category.
Report bobweenit September 26, 2021 11:56 AM BST
In his presser he said the belts are not eveything and he is wants to fight Fury and Wilder without them. The lad us such a fraud knows he aint got it about him to win his belt back so already started the Pr machine for a big money fight without any belts.

He has no shame the boy...
Report TINnotaTON September 26, 2021 12:04 PM BST
Didn't for one minute think that usyk was gonna roll over, but he deffo thinks that he's level's above what he actually is. got well found out yesterday..
Report wolf3011 September 26, 2021 12:06 PM BST
Hopefully the rematch will be in kiev, Joshua should now travel to the champions back yard not more sweet caroline crap in the Uk with Eddie raking in the cash
Report acey deucy September 26, 2021 12:10 PM BST
Never ever thought Joshua was the real deal but would gladly have paid good money to watch Joshua V Fury.....Now i would not give two bob to watch that fight.
Report Emitdeb September 26, 2021 3:19 PM BST
Would like to see some of you guys price up the rematch?
Report casemoney September 26, 2021 6:40 PM BST
Was away last night listened to Fight on the radio , They were saying Josh needed a knock out circa round 11 HTF was uzyk 6-4 at that stage
Report wolf3011 September 26, 2021 7:34 PM BST
rematch Usyk 1.72  Joshua 2.6
Report Emitdeb September 26, 2021 11:53 PM BST
Like the look of those odds wolf.. Wink Grin
Report Emitdeb September 26, 2021 11:56 PM BST
There were some funny prices bounded around all through the fight from what i heard.. I left a 2.2 lay from the start on Usyk and it was taken by the 3rd round...
Report stu September 28, 2021 12:52 PM BST
Which would you be on at those prices?
Report stu September 28, 2021 12:54 PM BST
I'd be tempted to tickle at Joshua 2.6 for sure. He might not have such a mug gameplan next time.
Report Emitdeb September 28, 2021 4:43 PM BST
Mug game-plan is very true... Almost looked like he didn't trust his own chin.. I get those tactics against Ruiz (rematch).  I would expect him to be more aggressive and a little heavier, looking to finish before the 8th... More i think about it the less confident I'm feeling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6k5XgiMqAY&ab_channel=MatchroomBoxing

Not sure if this was when Joshua was damaged or found out Confused
Report stu September 29, 2021 12:30 AM BST
Odd thing with Joshua's record, he's had a few times he wobbled - Whyte, Klitsko etc...but still came back and won those.

He was never really in danger of getting KO'd though vs Usyk, yet managed to lose it.

I'd say he should fight against someone like Usyk as full out warefare - toe to toe, and not be afraid of anything Usyk could throw at him. I thought he would do that in this fight (of course wrong I now know). I wish he had.
Report stu September 29, 2021 12:31 AM BST
*warfare
Report xaar September 29, 2021 10:48 AM BST
SontaranStratagem you're a right mug LaughLaughLaugh
Report stu September 29, 2021 4:41 PM BST
I hope the hype on Usyk continues from here actually - as he's being called a mystical kind of fighter after winning this one.

He's a top fighter, and a great fighter at cruiserweight - but Chisora gave him more scares than Joshua did - so did we really see him tested here? Not IMO.

But, let's hope for some big prices as the hype machine rolls on for Usyk in a rematch, and lets hope Joshua gets a kick up the 'arris before the next one, and some fire in his bellie!
Report Emitdeb September 29, 2021 4:52 PM BST
I'm starting to convince myself that Joshua's chinny. Which explains why he didnt cut loose.   imo.
Report stu September 29, 2021 4:55 PM BST
He is a bit chinny yes - but he was hit hard by both Whyte and Klitsko but neither stopped him.

Scared of that against Usyk punching power, surely not?
Report stu September 29, 2021 5:01 PM BST
Usyk is what I'd call a 'nasty' puncher - his punches hurt, and he does it often enough to cause damage.
But, that is a slow gameplan in heavy boxing - someone like Tyson would have been in there making it a war, which is exactly what Joshua as a true heavy puncher should have done.
Report Emitdeb September 29, 2021 5:07 PM BST
I'm also convincing myself he was damaged against Ruiz, Not been the same fighter since...
Report stu September 29, 2021 5:11 PM BST
Confidence in particular, yes may well be true.
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