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Super Hans
24 Nov 19 15:51
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Have now seen the 1st fight 3 times and struggle to see how the rematch isn't 50/50.
Obviously this would make 3.4+ on Ruiz a huge price?
Any of the forum boxing experts put me off?

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By:
wisewords
When: 24 Nov 19 23:13
I get the feeling AJ is going to be far more methodical this time, and when he hurts Ruiz he'll stay hurt. AJ by stoppage, i'll go round 5
By:
tobermory
When: 25 Nov 19 01:34
Agree with Hans.

Might even say Ruiz should be fav.
By:
tobermory
When: 25 Nov 19 01:40
Joshua already put him down hard and he just got right back up with no ill effects.

And AJ landed several more big shots after that, Ruiz kept coming. Meanwhile everything Ruiz landed had Joshua shook.

Of course AJ will be more methodical, but Ruiz knows he can take his power and AJ can't take his. So Ruiz will keep coming, losing rounds and taking big hits, but knowing that eventually he will land his own bombs and AJ will fold.
By:
Super Hans
When: 25 Nov 19 17:28
That's exactly as I seen it tobermory.
Josh didn't know what was going on when talking to McCracken between rounds.
He also gave the ref every chance to stop it and didn't look like he wanted to carry on.
Obviously you cant base everything on one fight but the prices look wrong to me.
Time will tell.
By:
1stpost
When: 26 Nov 19 12:10
50/50 me to. Not an expert but from what i saw Joshua cant take it as well as Ruiz.
Joshuas clearly got the ability to put Ruiz away. If he does it cleanly he can win.
Clips of Joshua finishing off opponents on youtube appear to me to see him hitting punch bags.
Ruiz is different!, we all know what we saw RUIZ HIT HIM BACK!.and he clearly didn't like it.
Joshua wanted out , he was indisputably beaten.
As i said no boxing expert but Joshua got a big climb back here and I thought he was scared.
Ithink RUIZ price is huge, hope i'm right..
By:
wisewords
When: 26 Nov 19 16:30
If Joshua is reckless he'll lose again. But he won't be, he'll be methodical
By:
GRANTCKING
When: 26 Nov 19 18:15
AJ KO for me, somewhere around R7 ish
By:
superjudge
When: 27 Nov 19 09:08
think ruiz is a massive price
By:
Senyatta
When: 27 Nov 19 17:59
aj points. ruiz got up and took a massive right to the jaw and didn't flinch. think joshua did well to last as long as he did last time out. he was effectively drunk after that shot to the top of the head. such a stupid mistake to try and end it after the knockdown, cost him dearly. for that reason my bet will be a pts win as he'll not go looking for it
By:
wisewords
When: 27 Nov 19 19:04
he did flinch when he initially got poleaxed though, didn't he?
By:
Senyatta
When: 27 Nov 19 19:20
yes. my point is he was knocked down got up and took aj's best right hand and it did'nt bother him. i just think joshua decision at 4s and probably 5 on here fight night is too big a price to turn down. hope he knocks the fat boy spark out though
By:
Super Hans
When: 27 Nov 19 19:37
Only half the man he used to be.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-7722651/Will-Andy-Ruiz-weigh-lighter-rematch-against-Anthony-Joshua.html

Which to me is actually a negative to backers.
By:
wisewords
When: 28 Nov 19 00:52
fake news. will come in similar weight
By:
bardo
When: 28 Nov 19 05:10
I reckon that there is huge value in the fight to go the distance ...

My reasoning is that Joshua will be far far more cautious this time , and as others have stated will fight far more methodically .. so can see this fight going the same way of when AJ fought Joseph Parker ...when he clearly didn't want the risk of any KO and was happy just to win the rounds

plenty of Ruiz most recent fights have gone to decision also

Both fighters have lost considerable amounts of weight too

Given what's at stake ... this will be far more cagey that the first fight
By:
tictacman1
When: 01 Dec 19 04:39
Diriyah Arena, Saudi Arabia.....


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By:
mega88
When: 01 Dec 19 16:07
Tough call, I've watched the first fight multiple times, Ruiz hand speed is unparalleled, ridiculously fast. If I have a bet it'll be the 3.1 for Ruiz. Can see Josh defensive but Ruiz will keep coming forcing Josh, then boom clash of the Titans both fighters knocked down 4s. We will see.
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 01 Dec 19 18:22

Nov 28, 2019 -- 5:10AM, bardo wrote:


I reckon that there is huge value in the fight to go the distance ... My reasoning is that Joshua will be far far more cautious this time , and as others have stated will fight far more methodically .. so can see this fight going the same way of when AJ fought Joseph Parker ...when he clearly didn't want the risk of any KO and was happy just to win the roundsplenty of Ruiz most recent fights have gone to decision alsoBoth fighters have lost considerable amounts of weight tooGiven what's at stake ... this will be far more cagey that the first fight


Ruiz can hit though whereas Parker has no power whatsoever

Joshua hasn't the ring craft of say Fury, I think Fury comfortably beats Ruiz if they ever meet

Joshua is always methodical, methodical with a good shot on him, but his style is so robotic and his feet are always planted flat, no finesse or footwork whatsoever

By:
wisewords
When: 01 Dec 19 23:11

Dec 1, 2019 -- 4:07PM, mega88 wrote:


Tough call, I've watched the first fight multiple times, Ruiz hand speed is unparalleled, ridiculously fast. If I have a bet it'll be the 3.1 for Ruiz. Can see Josh defensive but Ruiz will keep coming forcing Josh, then boom clash of the Titans both fighters knocked down 4s. We will see.


I think Josh is going to take his time and Ruiz will eventually be brutally stopped megs

By:
Angoose
When: 02 Dec 19 03:31
Echoes of Holyfield v Tyson for me with this one.
Underdog winning the first fight, not fancied to win the second, but going on to confirm the result of the first.

And yes, Ruiz is going to wear ear guards.
By:
Angoose
When: 02 Dec 19 10:26
Joshua v Ruiz II: Kevin Barry warned of a shock but what about the rematch?
By Luke Reddy https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/50534700

As BBC boxing correspondent Mike Costello and pundit Steve Bunce reflect on the June night that changed the boxing landscape, they curse the fact they didn't piece together clues to see it coming.

Kevin Barry did.

He said people were "kidding themselves" in writing Andy Ruiz Jr off before his fight with unbeaten world heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua.

Here Barry - trainer of former WBO heavyweight champion Joseph Parker - tells BBC Sport why he was influenced by his "history" with Ruiz, explains why the champion's style creates panic, and predicts who will win Saturday's rematch in Saudi Arabia.

Barry emphatically warned Ruiz could prove everyone wrong when he spoke at a news conference 24 hours before the underdog did just that.

The New Zealander was at New York's Madison Square Garden because Parker was joining forces with Joshua's promoter Eddie Hearn. But the journalists present had one thing on their minds - whether Briton Joshua would face Deontay Wilder after beating Ruiz.

"I had history with Andy," says Barry, the 1984 Olympic light-heavyweight silver medallist.

"In 2013 I was asked if I would train him. Had the opportunity not been so exciting with Parker, I probably would have.

"In the first year we ended up sparring Ruiz. The first time, Joseph looked at this overweight guy joking around in the ring and looked at me disbelieving and said: 'Are you serious?'

"Within the first 15 seconds Andy hit him about 20 times. On the way home, Joseph apologised to me."

Three years on, Parker beat Ruiz on points in Auckland to win the WBO world title. It remains Ruiz's only defeat.

Barry says: "Andy was on TV coming off the plane, an overweight, short guy. I spent two weeks trying to convince the public that this was a fight against one of the toughest, most battle-hardened fighters at heavyweight.

"You take the mask aside - and by mask I mean the extra weight - and you have a man who was a good amateur and a man I've watched chop down big guys time and again.

"I took Parker to fight Joshua in Cardiff in 2018, so I had a front-row insight into that too. Parker has told me the hardest he has ever been hit was by Ruiz.

"I kept thinking about that and Ruiz had just been written off. So I made my opinion known."

Barry was in the front row for the seven rounds during which Ruiz sent Joshua to the canvas four times.

As soon as the IBF, WBA and WBO belts were handed to Ruiz, conspiracy theories began to circulate about Joshua's health. His team have dismissed them as fiction.

"I said to Parker when Joshua was in the ring before the fight: 'Something isn't quite right,'" says Barry, 60. "His body language was different. He looked like someone who shouldn't really be in there."

Six months on, despite being the champion, Mexican-American Ruiz is again the underdog with the bookmakers.

Barry, who has trained fighters for almost three decades, believes the outcome may hinge on if the champion can again apply constant pressure. At 6ft 2in - though many think he is closer to 6ft - Ruiz must not allow Joshua the chance to make the most of his 6ft 6in frame.

He says: "The biggest adjustment for 'AJ' is dealing with Ruiz coming forward as he has not handled that well. Joshua likes to control and dictate. When that is taken away from him, he has shown a weakness.

"The big thing about controlling the pressure of Andy is you have to train yourself to embrace the pressure and not be restricted, depleted or panicked. Being pressed forces you to keep thinking, and that mental pressure will drain you every bit as fast as the physical pressure, if not more.

"To deal with it, Joshua must make the proper use of his height and reach. If he does the same as last time, the result will be the same."

Joshua has shared social media videos of him honing his footwork since losing to Ruiz. In recent interviews he has stressed he has prioritised working on his skills over other aspects of training.

"Dare I say it, he needs to be more like Wladimir Klitschko," says Barry, referring to the former world heavyweight champion.

"At 6ft 6in, you must use that jab. When you have so many attributes and strengths, you must use them. Don't gamble."

Raising his voice, he adds: "All he has to do is win seven of 12 rounds. I think he will realise - and he really needs to - that you don't have to win every fight by a knockout."

Barry says Joshua will have needed to work on his mentality after his defeat by Ruiz.

"You have to look at why you were knocked down four times and if you don't dissect it back to the root, you can never give yourself the mental confidence to move forward," he adds.

It is reported Joshua will earn a minimum of $85m (£66m) at Diriyah Arena. There is obvious reward but colossal risk - and not just for him.

Hearn has built a formidable stable of fighters, but Joshua is his biggest draw. DAZN - the streaming service Joshua is affiliated to in the US - has banked on his success. A second defeat would hurt both.

"The stakes could not be any higher for Joshua, his trainer Robert McCracken, for DAZN, and Eddie Hearn is under huge pressure," says Barry.

"It has all the makings of a classic in a country that has never seen a fight on this scale before. It does make you think back to fights like the 'Thrilla in Manila' and 'Rumble in the Jungle'."

So who wins this time?
Muhammad Ali pulled off a major upset against George Foreman at the 'Rumble' in Zaire in 1974. Foreman said he "lost something as a man" that night. So did Joshua at Madison Square Garden?

"Ruiz has the belts and everyone says once you become champion you're 10% better and I think that is a fair statement," says Barry.

"But I think Joshua will fight a totally different fight. When he had Ruiz down, all he had to do was take his time but he ran in with the wrong punches and put himself there to be hurt.

"This time we will see more poise. If he uses his skills and controls the pressure, I think Joshua wins the fight."

Ruiz shocked the world in June. But not Barry.

Now the man who warned we could see a new world champion in New York believes the belts will be changing hands again.
By:
Angoose
When: 02 Dec 19 10:30
Interesting article, outcome predicted to hinge on how Joshua uses his skills and controls the pressure.
Or will it hinge on whether Ruiz applies a multiplier to the adage that once you become champion you're 10% better Confused
By:
casemoney
When: 02 Dec 19 14:57
Anthony Joshua’s training for the Andy Ruiz rematch was reportedly hindered after he was badly hurt in sparring. ... Anthony Joshua was reportedly hurt during sparring while training for his rematch with Andy Ruiz. Joshua will fight Ruiz for the second time in Saudi  Shocked
By:
Angoose
When: 02 Dec 19 17:27
Joshua will retire form boxing after he loses the fight and will immediately launch an acting career, being introduced as the new landlord of the Queen Victoria in BBC's EastEnders.
By:
casemoney
When: 02 Dec 19 17:31
Laugh
By:
Angoose
When: 03 Dec 19 07:48
Anthony Joshua says he chose to "reinvent" himself after defeat by Andy Ruiz Jr and feels "different" going into Saturday's rematch.

Joshua, who lost his three world heavyweight titles to Ruiz on 1 June, says he has decided to "check" his approach after a first defeat.

"There is fire in the belly," the Briton told BBC Sport in Saudi Arabia before the fight at the Diriyah Arena.

"There are things I have had to do to take me to the next level.

"I am confident I can be victorious and when I am I will tell everyone of how I went wrong."

Rumours circulated about Joshua's condition in the wake of his shock defeat by Ruiz at Madison Square Garden.

Word from his camp is that he has delivered some of the most impressive sparring of his career in recent days.

There is also a feeling that the additional sparring partners he has used - including Mexican Elvis Garcia to offer some stylistic similarities to Ruiz - have raised his level.

After speaking to BBC Sport a short drive from the hotel complex where both he and Ruiz are staying, the former champion was scheduled to work out for the second time on Monday at his training base, the British Embassy in Riyadh.

He is holding a number of late-night sessions in order to be ready for a fight that will take place around midnight local time, given the country is three hours ahead of the UK.

"I do feel different," Joshua, 30, added. "I feel confident, I believe. I have been boxing since 2008. It's almost like it's been given to me. Now I am back to the days of being younger, striving.

"The question I have to ask myself is, 'after the fight am I going to keep that same attitude?' I have to stick to it and that is what will take me on to the next level.

"I am a challenger. This is my chance at the heavyweight championship of the world. The event starts when I am victorious. Then I will tell you about my story, what I have come through, the obstacles."

Joshua revealed he has sought advice from former world champion Wladimir Klitschko and wishes he had done so sooner, adding: "For someone who is going through success now, who is winning, definitely check yourself.

"I have had to check myself and reinvent myself not physically, mentally."

Both fighters met Saudi royalty and a vast number dignitaries after media commitments on Monday.

It was striking how demand for Ruiz was far higher than before their first bout, where he stunned the sport by stopping Joshua inside seven rounds to take the IBF, WBA and WBO world titles.

Ruiz, 30, appeared relaxed despite countless media requests. The Mexican is training at a custom-made gym set up underneath the hotel in which he is staying.

Many have questioned if he has remained driven given the rewards of his success, which have included a lavish new home, a Rolls Royce and high-end jewellery.

"I have been enjoying life. This is just the beginning," Ruiz told BBC Sport.

"I sure haven't stopped smiling. I have been so happy how my life has changed for my wife, my kids, my whole family. I am blessed with all that came my way.

"All of the pressure is on him, not on me as I followed my dream and made it come true."

Holding the contest in Saudi Arabia has prompted criticism because of the conservative country's human rights record.

Human rights organisation Amnesty International has said the fight is being staged against a "backdrop of worsening oppression" in the country.

On Monday, promoter Eddie Hearn said the move "wasn't just about money" and that the local organisers are on course to deliver an event that "could change everything" when decisions are being made on where future fights are staged.

Signage and visible promotion in the country's capital city is so far minimal but Diriyah Arena - which has been built in just two months - is expected to be full to its 15,000 capacity when Joshua and Ruiz walk to the ring at around 20:45 GMT on Saturday for a bout that will be broadcast on BBC Radio 5 Live.

Hearn's Matchroom Boxing says tickets have been purchased by fans from 65 different countries and he emphasised how much is on the line given there is no rematch agreement in the contract this time around.

"No-one is tied in," Hearn said. "I can't sleep at night worrying about this fight.

"It's all the questions that need answering. Was it a fluke first time? Was AJ prepared? Was it a lucky shot in the perfect spot from Ruiz?

"Joshua is a legacy guy, a historian. He is motivated by that term of being a two-time heavyweight champion. I really believe victory on Saturday will give him the respect that he is maybe secretly searching for."

A 'different Joshua' - analysis  BBC boxing correspondent Mike Costello
I thought we saw a different Joshua here than what we saw at the same event ahead of the first fight.

Yes, he was still laughing and joking at both ends of our interview but it was the content in-between that really struck me as him being a man who desperately wants that title attached to his name.

Eddie Hearn referred to that 'two-time heavyweight champion status'.

Joshua is a man so engrossed in heavyweight boxing history and his place within it, he knows that Saturday night will make a colossal difference to how he is remembered.
By:
tictacman1
When: 03 Dec 19 10:03
There will be no ring girls between rounds when Anthony Joshua looks to get his revenge over Andy Ruiz Jr in Saudi Arabia.

Ahead of this Saturday night's eagerly-anticipated rematch taking place, the long-standing ring girls tradition has been scrapped by the sport's officials.

The decision has been made in order to respect the culture of Saudi Arabia, which has strict laws governing what women can wear in public.
By:
tictacman1
When: 03 Dec 19 14:03
EDDIE HEARN HIRES "SUSPECT" REFEREE FOR ANTHONY JOSHUA VS ANDY RUIZ REMATCH......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAmsqk80DXs


HatmanStrikesBack has his say......
By:
ZEALOT
When: 03 Dec 19 14:26
The Robot will get beat again . His lead boots will let him down one more time . Ruiz is far too quick for him and I am looking forward to a fight for the first time since Floyd v Canelo .
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 03 Dec 19 15:28
Ruiz is quick and has fast hands

But Parker kept him at bay with nothing more than boxing IQ and basic skills

Joshua doesn't seem to have those and has a really awful robotic style, which now found out is going to end up with him losing more often esp against top level fighters
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 03 Dec 19 15:30
I was surprised Parker got into a scrap with Whyte to be honest, I thought he'd use his better boxing skills and outpoint him

But saying that we all know with Hearns fights points are pretty much out the window as they seem to only score his fighters shots and nothing else
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 03 Dec 19 15:32

Dec 3, 2019 -- 10:03AM, tictacman1 wrote:


There will be no ring girls between rounds when Anthony Joshua looks to get his revenge over Andy Ruiz Jr in Saudi Arabia. Ahead of this Saturday night's eagerly-anticipated rematch taking place, the long-standing ring girls tradition has been scrapped by the sport's officials.The decision has been made in order to respect the culture of Saudi Arabia, which has strict laws governing what women can wear in public.


I have nothing against this, they are in another country and so should respect their tradition and rules

Its when it starts coming here that I hate, we have our tradition and rules but for some reason we can't have them

By:
Angoose
When: 03 Dec 19 16:19
We used to shove twelve year old up chimneys to clean them.
We used to drive cars wearing no seat belts.
We used to smoke cigarettes in the cinema.
We used to wrap fish and chips in newspaper.
By:
Fela Kuti
When: 03 Dec 19 19:38
This fight reminds me of Haye Bellew 2. People and the odds were saying Haye will win the second fight. I see the same outcome with Ruiz again winning by KO or TKO. His odds of 3.1 are way too big for me.
By:
tobermory
When: 04 Dec 19 23:13
Sky charging £25 for this.
By:
ZEALOT
When: 05 Dec 19 22:51
Remember the days getting woke up by my dad early hours to watch Tyson LIVE ON ITV hosted by Jim Rosenthal (drac) . Fantastic times .
By:
wisewords
When: 05 Dec 19 23:10
the days of free high level boxing
By:
wisewords
When: 05 Dec 19 23:10
high level professional boxing
By:
GRANTCKING
When: 06 Dec 19 00:05

Dec 4, 2019 -- 11:13PM, tobermory wrote:


Sky charging £25 for this.


Cry

By:
GRANTCKING
When: 06 Dec 19 00:05
I havent paid for a PPV in over a year so im tempted to, good card, cant be arsed faffing around with links especially with the high volumes of traffic
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