burns v broner

His manager was in the press up here the other day saying he wanted Burns to have a defence in Glasgow in January, then fight Broner in the spring, plus he wanted £500,000 and not £400,000. Another article quotes Morrison as saying he has talked Burns out of it. He is on a 'downer' after his last defence being cancelled. Ffs, what kind of defence would it have been anyway?

This sort of thing kills boxing. Just get on a plane and fight the guy. If Broner turns out to be as good as some say then losing won't be a disgrace plus he may go up in weight soon anyway.

spot on john92, losing to a fighter like broner shouldnt mean the end of your career.what happened to being the best fighter in the world.its a shame being (a)world champion does not mean your the best,and who's to say burns wouldn't win?

Ricky's jab is world-class and can cause AB's rolling-shoulder defence problems.

Losing to Broner wouldn't be the end of the world; De Marco & Abril also eminently beatable titlists in the division.

Broner likely to soon step-up to LWW; a show-down with Danny Garcia as a stepping-stone to a future shot at Floyd.

PS FW seems intent on destroying RB's career. And/or Nathan Cleverly's.

He's not trying to destroy it, just milk it for all he can.

Having Burns fight third rate opposition in Scotland is money for old rope.

Cleverly is in a weak division and still hasn't fought anyone, getting sad now. Got his mandatory in March which means he won't be in a big fight til at least September.

They already ran from Broner at SFW. They dont want the fight end of. Broner's first fight at LW he fights the WBC champ and many people's number 1 in the division. Burns for a 2 weights world champ defences consists of Mitchell Layera Evensen Moses Katsidis, not hard is it?

Watch it SJ or the angry Burns mob'll be out. How can anyone, Scottish or not, defend the path this fella is taking?

LOL I know mate. Latest is that Burns has been offerd £300K for the fight, his highest is 120K for Mitchell. Time to step up now becoming pretty poor to be fair. Maybe they are looking to get the super fight with Super Feather Liam Walsh cos he did have a life and death battle with Paul Appleby who really is world class

Yep, pretty poor from Burns. Cant fault the Katsidis fight or the Mitchell one as both were decent level operators but Laryea, Evenson and Moses are shocking level of opponents. To then schedule Walsh in was quite pathetic by Warren...........its taking the piss really........and to think all this started when he beat Rocky Martinez .....

I won't pretend to be an expert but I'm Scottish, take a decent interest in most sports and would love to see a Scottish guy in some big fights and trying to unify titles.

I'm really disappointed Ricky hasn't stepped up before now. He has convincingly beaten enough decent opponents and should be going to mix it with other belt holders. Simple as that. Some of his fights have been a waste of time. Apart from those earning out of them obviously...

It's sad that those who are meant to be looking out for him seem to have talked him out of such a big fight against a guy who may well have bigger fish to fry very soon. All for the sake of another show at the SECC.

The funny thing is I think Burns wants the fights it seems to be his management, then again if that is the case Burns should make it known

Just binbag Warren, like everyone else he's tried to hold back has.

gav rees has agreed terms to fight Broner in Feb...embarrassing for Burns. Well done and good luck to the Rock

I read that this morning aswell. Fair play to Rees and good luck to him.

I might have got this wrong but Ricky comes across as a genuine, likeable guy and it seems he is being let down. What kind of manager talks a fighter out of this kind of fight? Ffs. Burns spoke last year about a unification fight with Fana at Airdrie's stadium and I think he got Nicky Cook instead!

Very disappointing and a reminder of why I don't take more of an interest in boxing.

This is what I dont get with the Bruns/Scottish fans nobody is having a go at Ricky as such but this must be spoken about he's fast becoming a joke

Oh no I was wrong it was Ricky who didnt the fight

From Billy Nelson on Eastside Boxing
The thing is top dog you know **** all mate,it was Ricky's choice not to take the fight not FW,but rest assured Ricky wants Broner after next fight

It gets better from Nelson

The biggest fight for Broner is Ricky coz they areaway above the other LW's IMO,they will meet when it's ok with Ricky and not beforehand we don't need to jump when the yanks say so!

Oh my Broner and his team must wait for Ricky and all the PPV he brings. I wonder who is next?

Actually cringed when I read his post.

They're so deluded its unreal, Burns brings nothing to the table.

He just doesn't want the fight, simple as.

OI, you pack it in. Wait till he rips through Gethin, Harrison and Walsh

Ffs

If that is true then Ricky is due some stick, badly advised or not. Excuses are wearing thin.

Personally think he should take the Broner fight and get the big payday. He can't win but if he puts up a decent show his stock will only rise. Whats he gaining from fighting all these no hopers?

Would love to see Ricky get a shot at Broner but as long as he is promoted by Warren i have my doubts that it will happen. Warren doesn't do risky fights and this one looks extremely risky.

Ricky should come out and explain what's going on especially if he expects 10k to turn up in Glasgow in the near future.

To say he's scared of Broner is utter bollax he's a professional boxer ffs. The weight was killing him at 130 and I'm assuming the fight happens on the Mayweather undercard in May.

And what does Ricky bring? He can sell out a place which is more than Broner can do. East Stirling have as many fans as Broner. And why shouldn't he get a massive payday? He's a champion who's a cert to lose his belt according to most so he may as well earn out of it. And why is it alright for Broner to refuse to fight outside the US and its ok? Has he something to hide? Is he gonna be another midget that ends up a many multiple weight champion battering opponents twice his size round the ring?

Obviously the next opponent will be laughable as a tune up but if after that the Broner fight is there to be made and Burn's team duck it then he'll deserve all the shiite that goes with it.

Oh my were to begin? He has been offered a massive payday of 300K, nobody knows him in the US. Whether you like it or not the US rules mate. I'm sure the MGM Grand can trump anything what Airdie FC can put up, and HBO might just, only just, be in front of BoxNation on the $$$ front.
Sorry to break it to you but if Calzaghe Hatton et al had to go to the US I think MR Burns just might have to

The weight was killing him as soon as Broner was on the horizon.

There is no excuse for not fighing Broner in Feb, its shameful.

But Owl think of all the IRN-BRU Bars you could tempt Broner with

It's Alex Morrison.

Morrison announced: "We are not taking the fight. Ricky doesn't have the necessary strong mindset at the moment to undertake such a big fight."

Morrison said: "We are definitely not going to America. I was the one who talked Ricky out of it."

Just the gift that keeps on giving. DO you think his mindset has come from the fact Father Christmas doesnt exist? Will his mind be ready for May? Who knows

Maybe he's got a fear of flying

I think he's saying this to take the heat off Burns, not working with me. Its an outright duck.

He will have to fight him May 4th to save face.

Rees starting a 16/1 underdog.

Just look at Matt Macklin lads, didn't have a world title like Ricky but was beginning to become a joke with the opponents he was taking on. Went and fought Martinez, lost in style and now is in line for any number of big money fights stateside.

Just can't get my head round not fighting Broner, what goods keeping your world title if you can't make any decent dosh off it?

I like burns. Great fighter, and huge at lightweight, love the jab, strong big guy.

300-400gbp is like 600-700 thousand dollars. Dats alot of money, alot more than any low profile American out there. How much did demarco get for his attempt.

I like burns, I like him alot.

But he shouldn't have turned down that.

He will need to make 10 defences v African guys to make that money.

Sad from burns who looked brilliant v Mitchell.

I've always defended Burns against what has been unjustified criticism on here before.

Can't defend that though, very disappointing

I would have given him a good chance vs Broner and think at least he would have enhanced his reputation. Even if he'd been blown away the reaction would have been more about how good Broner is rather than anything against Burns .He could still have filled Scottish venues and would be more of a 'name' worldwide and so could have had a go at another belt in the division.

The reputation of boxers is not about how many wins or even particulary who they have beaten, really people remember them for who they fought before anything else.

If Thomas Hearns had ducked Leonard and Hagler he would have won the same number of World Titles and had 2 less defeats on his record, but he would nowadays only be remembered by the real hardcore fans and would be about 100 places lower on the all time lb4lb lists.

This "Mindset" thing makes me laugh. It's poor they've priced themselves way out of it at 500K hardly anyone knows Burns in the US if at all

And the winner of this year's British Comedy award is.......................

Billy Nelson

"I agree,Burns has to good an engine for any lightweight just now Broner included,Broner WILL struggle rounds 8-12 with Ricky that's if he's still there"


"I completly understand that but if in a boxers mind there's something not quite right don't do it.
After all when Ricky goes to the states he will be going with a 50/50 chance of winningit like so who have went over in the last few years,it's hard enough getting a decision over there without being 100% even though I personally think Ricky will stop him"

"Stop him" Oh my. So a bloke who has stopped just Kevin I'm always in trouble Mitchell in recent fights is not gonna beat Broner but stop him? Makes you wonder what all the Ducking is about

To me it's not about who is gona win, I certainly think burns has a chance. Looked totaly brilliant and IMO has improved in everytime since he was battered and dominated by johansson.

I couldn't believe the size of burns v Mitchell.

Honestly well done to burns backers in that fight, noway was Mitchell gona win that. Obviously I think burns is on summit, his a beast.

Y turn down a fight which makes perfect bussiness sence.

Imagine he loses in his next  4 fights, he will surly regret this decsion. Wat fight is he exactly looking for, mayweather or summit. If he gets that I'll shut up

ricky and billy could still yet have the last laugh on all of us if they end up taking the fight on May 4th and getting the full HBO 24/7 treatment...I just don't see it happening personally though...more likely that they'll end up saying Broner ducked them when he moves up to 140 and chases the serious money.

I would pay good money to see Billy Nelson on 24 7

well looks like it's time we ate some crow ...Burns to fight Vasquez in London in March. Can't fault them for this one, good fight and a win would put them in a great bargaining position with Broner. Well played team Burns.... never doubted ya for a minute

Good fight.

Still doesn't alter the fact that he doesn't really want the Broner fight.

It has all worked out well. What was I getting annoyed about?

I'm not so sure owl...obviously he knows the Broner fight is the toughest one out there and wants the best possible reward for it and they'be found a way to do that. I can't really fault them on this. Interesting that Broner was talking about staying at 135 earlier in the week too...plus the fact that he's fighting Rees...maybe both camps have agreed to build it up to a mega fight in the summer?

Great Fight and not an easy one for Burns. He'll be favourite but not a strong one I would have thought. All Vaquez's defeats (3) to decent guys.

Great move from Warren I said this was the fight to get, more than win able fight you can bet Vasquez is cheap(his style is not fan friendly) it s a unification and it gives him more bargaining power with Broner, although Morrison's figure of £500,000 will still be hard to get.
Good that we are stepping up the oppo. Cant see Burns losing over here, Vasquez is extremely negative

Looks like a points win fight doesn't it given Vasquez's style. This guy will be no pushover though sj. Could be an awkward opponent with a big crowd wanting action and Vasquez making life difficult for Burns.

No he certainly isnt. Unification bout fair play to Warren stepping up the comp, not Burns fault before

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Who for? I've said this is the best fight for Ricky and you cant knock him for it

Got to give Warren some credit for landing Burns a unification fight. However although Vasquez is the IBF champ but he has been beating up on tomato cans for the best part of his career. The only two times he has fought against an elite level fighter he was well beaten on points. Burns may not be of the level of Canelo or Bradley but fighting at home against a fighter lacking KO power he has everything stacked in his favour and as such will win fairly comfortably.

is vasquez's title up for grabs,i noticed it was only billed on bunces boxing hr as a wbo title fight,if it is up for grabs can he win his rocky belt?

IBF is, no RING Belt as Broner is in the division

maybe it was this thread that brought about the Vazquez fight

Get on Vazquez to beat the Scottish MUG.

Redemption.

been reading some ridiculous comments tonight and this one is tops.MUG Redempion where did that come from

Burns Vasquez been priced up now, 9/4 Vasquez doesn't look a bad price if you could guarantee fair judging. Starting to think the fight will never happen though what with all the rumours and the total lack of promotion. What the hell is warren playing at the buzz for this should be massive and yet we ve barely heard a whisper with barely two weeks to go.

burns vs vasquez postponed

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/21652676

Burns needs to get away from Warren pronto. The whole thing looks a sham. Probably a non starter from the get-go.

Who would of thought Anyway Warren produced a doctor note dated Feb 25th that Vazquez was ill so its all legit................. oh no wait  a minute he was on camera sparring Ponce De Leon on Saturday maybe it was in a nappy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QaW4Y0TQlIM

That video is dated Feb 17th Good work Frank

Well that was a load of shoite again from Warren. One gem I picked from it and the reason why teh Broner fight will never happen.

"I'll only take my fighters on the road if I really fancy it he's got 4 title shots for his fighters on the road, and they've all been beat" referring to Hearn

that interview really was sickening wasn't it, there's no hope for Burns if he stays with Warren, the bloke is a delusional creep. Bunce and Cleverley made me feel ill too, talking about towing the party line.

The light middle limit is 11st

As you say mate Bunce to Clev "Oh Nath you were ill as well werent you? the last time I saw you, you were like a light middle" "Yeah Steve I dropped down to about 13st 2lbs"

Geesyerdosh posted a video on the farce

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hCy5txI67hE

Cheeky bugger I'll bet his 'stage' is outside Euston with a can of Special Brew

I thought the bloke was quality.  Taking away the funny stuff, Burns needs to get away. Warren throws roadblock's in front of advancing careers, many have ended up going stale with him

No one commenting on Hearn getting his best fighters beat abroad and pocketing the % without having to do sweet fo.

Hello Frank

Burns splits from Warren. Not before time.

good to see.

Alex Morrison

"In fact, I now doubt very much that the fight was ever going to happen. Vazquez was supposed to be sick but five days later I'm told he was seen sparring on YouTube in the States.

"There were also a lot of issues I wanted settled before Ricky fought again and these have not been dealt with satisfactorily. Now we are looking at going down another route. I will make a statement next week, but hopefully his next defence will be in Glasgow where he should have been fighting all along."

fingers crossed cleverley ditches him too.

Burns signs with Matchroom. Morrison apparantly wants his next fight to be Rees though...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4SkJtOeTjg

what a pity the Broner ship has sailed now though. Can't help but be disappointed by that but I think this will prove to be a good move. The may fight isn't going to be anything special obviously but if they could get Vasquez in September his career could soon be back on track. Plenty big enough to move up to 140 and chase the big fights in the future too.

Would Eddie really feed Rees to him? Bit harsh on Rees coming so soon after the Broner beatdown I'd have thought.

I'm starting to get the horrible feeling the May fight is going to be Scott Harrison. Burns puzzles me a bit, even today still trotting out the line about being happy to fight whoever is put in front of him...was hoping this move would see him screaming out for the big fights but looks like he's leaving it all to Morrisson. Also said that he'd stay at lightweight for at least 2 more years.

Harrison threw his hat in the ring again yesterday. I don't find the talk of building Burns as a brand in Scotland etc too encouraging tbh.

Think he's just a bit simple Al

Tbh I think building Burns in Scotland next couple of fights is the right to do. It's the only place he really has a fanbase. He will be able to get all of his potential opponents apart from Broner to go there. Seems smart business sense.

warren issued a statement saying burns earned £750,000 over 7 world title fights.remember tax coming off,(40 per cent) i'm sure,management,trainer and training expenses not exactly rolling in it.the statement was obviously made to look like he was well taking care off,don't think so

£750k minus deductions and practically anonymous! good promotional work frank.

Scottish press today report Jose Gonzalez to be the most likely opponent.