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Great betting prospect I think. Just need to decide who i think will win!
Froch KO at 8/1 stands out at this stage but will be waiting before committing to bets.
What do you guys think? Strengths weaknesses etc.
Looking forward to a good debate on here.
Froch KO at 8/1 stands out at this stage but will be waiting before committing to bets.
What do you guys think? Strengths weaknesses etc.
Looking forward to a good debate on here.
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Bute seems very unfazed by coming over, which is suprising considering he's had all his fights in Montreal.
He has had a Calzaghe like career up to now, dominant wins, but against fighters who had either never reached the very top or were on their way down.
So a bit of a dark horse, and very intriguing fight.
He has had a Calzaghe like career up to now, dominant wins, but against fighters who had either never reached the very top or were on their way down.
So a bit of a dark horse, and very intriguing fight.
Been a long time since Froch knocked anybody out and that was a gassed out Taylor.
Everything Froch does will be cheered by the home crowd but i think Bute will do the quality work.
I'll be having a small punt on the draw cos i can see a the scores being very similar to the Dirrell fight.
Everything Froch does will be cheered by the home crowd but i think Bute will do the quality work.
I'll be having a small punt on the draw cos i can see a the scores being very similar to the Dirrell fight.
Been a long time since Froch knocked anybody out and that was a gassed out Taylor
I think we need to be careful taking this at face value.
For starters Taylor may be well known for 'gassing', however he'd still had enough in the tank to go the distance in all his other fights bar Pavlik I. Froch handed him only his second ko defeat fair and square.
Now if we look at Froch's other opponents since he stepped up to world level we've got the ultra-durable Johnson with just the one tko loss, to Hopkins 15 years ago, and Kessler, Abraham, Dirrell and Pascal...none of whom had ever been stopped before.
Start looking further back than that and you're really going to struggle to find someone who he should have stopped but didn't...in fact his resume pre-stepping up starts looking similarly impressive (or otherwise) as that of a certain romainian canadian.
If we look at Bute's recent ko victims we've got Magee who had already been stopped brutally by froch, Brinkly who had already been stopped 3 times, Miranda who'd been stopped by Pavlik and Abraham, Zuniga who had already been stopped and Andrade, who was a decent scalp but who had Bute all but out for the count in the first fight.
Their respective opponents records over this time period read:
Froch's opponents : 215 - 19 - 3
Bute's opponents : 232 - 32 - 5
If you take out common opponent Johnson who skews the figures somewhat you're left with:
Froch : 164 - 5 - 1
Bute : 181 - 17 - 3
I know all this is stating the obvious but really the stats are markedly different over a relatively short span of fights. You've also got to take into consideration that all 7 of Bute's fights were at home, whilst 5 of Froch's were away.
If you ignore the stats and just watch the highlight reels it's easy to see why Bute had been made clear favourite...but it's easy to look good against inferior fighters and whilst Froch has proven he can mix it at the very top level we really have no idea at all whether Bute will be able to handle the power and pressure of a top-level fighter.
I'm personally of the opinion that 8/1 is a reasonable price to take to find out. The 25/1 about froch round 10-12 is also tempting as we all know froch comes on strong late but with the uncertainty over Bute's durability at this level I prefer the straight stoppage bet.
I can't personally see a way that Carl can put on an Abraham-style performance and win on points..Bute is too busy and too slick for Carl to rack up rounds on workrate alone and 9/4 seems terrible value to me. The draw is certainly of interest at around 25/1 as some dodgy judging wouldn't suprise me in the least in the event of a fight that's even remotely competitive. With the rematch clause already in place and another decent payday for all involved I find it hard to see EITHER fighter being given a narrow points decision. After getting stung badly with Pac-Marquez 3 I promised myself that I'd pay more attention to the political/financial implications in future so I'll be having a small bet on the draw aswell.
I think we need to be careful taking this at face value.
For starters Taylor may be well known for 'gassing', however he'd still had enough in the tank to go the distance in all his other fights bar Pavlik I. Froch handed him only his second ko defeat fair and square.
Now if we look at Froch's other opponents since he stepped up to world level we've got the ultra-durable Johnson with just the one tko loss, to Hopkins 15 years ago, and Kessler, Abraham, Dirrell and Pascal...none of whom had ever been stopped before.
Start looking further back than that and you're really going to struggle to find someone who he should have stopped but didn't...in fact his resume pre-stepping up starts looking similarly impressive (or otherwise) as that of a certain romainian canadian.
If we look at Bute's recent ko victims we've got Magee who had already been stopped brutally by froch, Brinkly who had already been stopped 3 times, Miranda who'd been stopped by Pavlik and Abraham, Zuniga who had already been stopped and Andrade, who was a decent scalp but who had Bute all but out for the count in the first fight.
Their respective opponents records over this time period read:
Froch's opponents : 215 - 19 - 3
Bute's opponents : 232 - 32 - 5
If you take out common opponent Johnson who skews the figures somewhat you're left with:
Froch : 164 - 5 - 1
Bute : 181 - 17 - 3
I know all this is stating the obvious but really the stats are markedly different over a relatively short span of fights. You've also got to take into consideration that all 7 of Bute's fights were at home, whilst 5 of Froch's were away.
If you ignore the stats and just watch the highlight reels it's easy to see why Bute had been made clear favourite...but it's easy to look good against inferior fighters and whilst Froch has proven he can mix it at the very top level we really have no idea at all whether Bute will be able to handle the power and pressure of a top-level fighter.
I'm personally of the opinion that 8/1 is a reasonable price to take to find out. The 25/1 about froch round 10-12 is also tempting as we all know froch comes on strong late but with the uncertainty over Bute's durability at this level I prefer the straight stoppage bet.
I can't personally see a way that Carl can put on an Abraham-style performance and win on points..Bute is too busy and too slick for Carl to rack up rounds on workrate alone and 9/4 seems terrible value to me. The draw is certainly of interest at around 25/1 as some dodgy judging wouldn't suprise me in the least in the event of a fight that's even remotely competitive. With the rematch clause already in place and another decent payday for all involved I find it hard to see EITHER fighter being given a narrow points decision. After getting stung badly with Pac-Marquez 3 I promised myself that I'd pay more attention to the political/financial implications in future so I'll be having a small bet on the draw aswell.
Can anyone get Sky Bet to put up the 'Anytime Knockdown' market? Fancy one in there but no prices yet! I've been impressed with Sky TV this week with the build up and was surprised how much of the sparring we got to see last night Also can't argue with the draw idea with politics etc. People go on about bad decisions in Germany but it's not too different here. The Froch Dirrell fight was a hometown decision in my book.
Is butes foot/leg ok?
Was it an injury or just an excuse so he can pull out?
Now his been in England for a few weeks, maybe his starting to understand how difficult winning a decsion will be.
Having said all this, it's the bestmatch up of the year.
I love the bolo body shot bute throws. Amazing punch and can turn it up to the head but the wind up is exactly the same as the bolo body shot.
Was it an injury or just an excuse so he can pull out?
Now his been in England for a few weeks, maybe his starting to understand how difficult winning a decsion will be.
Having said all this, it's the bestmatch up of the year.
I love the bolo body shot bute throws. Amazing punch and can turn it up to the head but the wind up is exactly the same as the bolo body shot.
Would love to know y bute has come over here???
I dnt think I will be able to understand it even if he wins unless it's a monster performance which I doubt.
I'd say butes people are need to educate themselves a bit more and maybe learn a bit from frank warren
I dnt think I will be able to understand it even if he wins unless it's a monster performance which I doubt.
I'd say butes people are need to educate themselves a bit more and maybe learn a bit from frank warren
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Replies: 321 23 May 12 13:10
Been a long time since Froch knocked anybody out and that was a gassed out Taylor
I think we need to be careful taking this at face value.
For starters Taylor may be well known for 'gassing', however he'd still had enough in the tank to go the distance in all his other fights bar Pavlik I. Froch handed him only his second ko defeat fair and square
I think you will find King Artur KO'D him next fight in the 12th,so could well have gassed there as well.As i remember had half decent start in that as well
Replies: 321 23 May 12 13:10
Been a long time since Froch knocked anybody out and that was a gassed out Taylor
I think we need to be careful taking this at face value.
For starters Taylor may be well known for 'gassing', however he'd still had enough in the tank to go the distance in all his other fights bar Pavlik I. Froch handed him only his second ko defeat fair and square
I think you will find King Artur KO'D him next fight in the 12th,so could well have gassed there as well.As i remember had half decent start in that as well
yeah I was referring to records up to the point Froch faced them sj, nevertheless I appreciate there is 'some' merit in the gassed argument...just think it needs balancing with the fact that plenty of decent fighters had failed to put him away regardless (wright, hopkins twice, pavlik once etc).
Regarding why Bute has come over I'm not sure he had a lot of choice...he was in desperate need of a big fight to shut up the doubters and with Ward/Kessler not interested and Froch understandably insisting on fighting at home what else could he do? Doubtless they tried to get Froch in Montreal first and Matchroom obviously had to sweeten the deal with the rematch clause, which is a significant concession really.
That said, judging from his demeanour at the press conferences he's obviously very confident of getting the win...but then show me a fighter who's 30 and 0 who isn't confident.
Regarding why Bute has come over I'm not sure he had a lot of choice...he was in desperate need of a big fight to shut up the doubters and with Ward/Kessler not interested and Froch understandably insisting on fighting at home what else could he do? Doubtless they tried to get Froch in Montreal first and Matchroom obviously had to sweeten the deal with the rematch clause, which is a significant concession really.
That said, judging from his demeanour at the press conferences he's obviously very confident of getting the win...but then show me a fighter who's 30 and 0 who isn't confident.
Don't get me wrong here, at 8/1 its worth a play, if they go to war then it certainly has a chance, I don't believe Froch possesess one punch KO power, however he could overwhelm him through sheer accumalation.
I'm a big Froch fan and love his take on all comers attitude but many people believe he lost the Dirrell fight, he lost the Kessler fight and recently lost to Ward. The two wins in between were against Abraham who clearly doesn't belong at 168 and Johnson who hasn't troubled anyone at the top level for a long time.
Its one of the best fights of the year, im glad this happened instead of Ward/Bute, cannot wait. Draw is the only bet for me though.
I'm a big Froch fan and love his take on all comers attitude but many people believe he lost the Dirrell fight, he lost the Kessler fight and recently lost to Ward. The two wins in between were against Abraham who clearly doesn't belong at 168 and Johnson who hasn't troubled anyone at the top level for a long time.
Its one of the best fights of the year, im glad this happened instead of Ward/Bute, cannot wait. Draw is the only bet for me though.
yep, can't wait here either..should be a great night.
I honestly think froch deserves more credit than he gets though...yes it was an ugly fight against Dirrell but he eked out a win for me. The Kessler fight was frustrating cos it was there for the taking but there's no shame in a a narrow defeat on foreign soil to Kessler...I honestly believe the scores would have been reversed on home soil but that's boxing...Froch will know he could and should have done more that night to make sure of the win. As for the Ward defeat, yes he lost and lost clearly, but let's not pretend it was an easy nights work for Ward...Froch wasn't good enough to beat a damn good fighter but he wasn't exactly taken to pieces.
Really hoping he can pull off the upset on saturday to take his resume one notch higher.
I honestly think froch deserves more credit than he gets though...yes it was an ugly fight against Dirrell but he eked out a win for me. The Kessler fight was frustrating cos it was there for the taking but there's no shame in a a narrow defeat on foreign soil to Kessler...I honestly believe the scores would have been reversed on home soil but that's boxing...Froch will know he could and should have done more that night to make sure of the win. As for the Ward defeat, yes he lost and lost clearly, but let's not pretend it was an easy nights work for Ward...Froch wasn't good enough to beat a damn good fighter but he wasn't exactly taken to pieces.
Really hoping he can pull off the upset on saturday to take his resume one notch higher.
Froch's needs to up his workrate to pull this off. That for me was a factor in his loss to Kessler, he is always fit but not always busy enough. No doubt he will also take encouragement from Andrade's 12th round in their first meeting. I'm gonna take some of the 15/8 of him putting in an inspired performance, with a little on the draw also.
SkyBet have gone up with the 'to be knocked down' market and I've had a good bash on Froch to be knocked down at some point at 2/1. Might go against the grain and I'm sure many on here will disagree but Bute's style could lead to a flash knockdown, similar to when Taylor floored Froch in the 3rd. By no means am I saying Bute will KO Froch!
Should be a really good fight and I'll be there Saturday at the Nottingham Arena. Catch me on twitter @smido11 for updates.
Should be a really good fight and I'll be there Saturday at the Nottingham Arena. Catch me on twitter @smido11 for updates.
Agree smido. Like McCraken has said in the build up you dont want to be jumping in with this bloke. Played the jackal rnds at 1-6 at 11-4 and under 9 total rnds at 8-11. This boy comes to fight and although will provide Carl with his sternest tests I think he could get caught in the exchanges
Glad someone agrees SJ. I'm also waiting for someone to go up with Fraudley vs Adams MOV. Got to be worth a punt on Adams to KO the old man. Obviously Adams aint brilliant but Harrison is terrible!
Sj
For starters Taylor may be well known for 'gassing', however he'd still had enough in the tank to go the distance in all his other fights bar Pavlik I. Froch handed him only his second ko defeat fair and square
I think you will find King Artur KO'D him next fight in the 12th,so could well have gassed there as well.As i remember had half decent start in that as well
Yeah as far as i'm aware he pretty much walked the first 6 rounds maybe more
For starters Taylor may be well known for 'gassing', however he'd still had enough in the tank to go the distance in all his other fights bar Pavlik I. Froch handed him only his second ko defeat fair and square
I think you will find King Artur KO'D him next fight in the 12th,so could well have gassed there as well.As i remember had half decent start in that as well
Yeah as far as i'm aware he pretty much walked the first 6 rounds maybe more
Froch at 2/1 is a fair bet in my opinion. I don't think Bute is quite in the same league as Andre Ward, Bute has looked impressive but his record on paper is pretty flimsy, Froch has the better form for me, home crowd behind him, if he loses then not sure where he would go from there, so with that motivation driving him on i expect Froch to can grind this out. Agree with everyone that it will be a good match up, looking forward to it.
Seeing it exactly the same as those owl eyes, draw is such a good option here, had a hundred at 25s in the hope to green outat before the final bell. Frochs not got great power but is durable enough at this stage in his career to handle bute's underwhelming power. I think it goes the cards and it's close, lumping on the fight to go the distance is an option but playing speculative for a trade on the draw. Sets up the apparent 2nd leg in Montreal perfectly as well, I think most involved would be OK with a draw which gives it an even livelier chance of happening. God knows how I'm gonna manage to green up in a Greek spurts bar at around 2an. Could end up hoping for the best
My bet is the fight not to go the distance at the minute both can bang. Froch jumps in and comes in, in straight lines I'd have to wonder how much more Froch can keep taking. Bute's chin is also up for question. Just see a war saturday night another great fight. 13-8 fight not to go distance for me
i reckon Froch will get stopped for the first time!He looked to be showing his age against Ward.He was slow,-almost ponderous at times,and i appreciate Ward is slick and classy,but froch was pretty marked up afterwards!Bute looks quite fast and seems to bang a bit!.Froch is brave no doubt,but he seems to be getting more careless and walks in very square on!I hope Froch wins but for me he gets stopped late on!
Thought Bute looked a bigger man and Froch looks very lean at the weight
Excellent sportsmanship from both.
Was it me or did bute fans outnumber frochs, they certainly were louder.
Excellent fight and match up.
Match up of the year so far.
Too close to call for me. The draw has to be the right bet here.
Excellent match up, but I think it will clash of styles tbh.
I predict a very boring fight because of there styles. Not gona be aprety fight but it's gona be damn interesting
Was it me or did bute fans outnumber frochs, they certainly were louder.
Excellent fight and match up.
Match up of the year so far.
Too close to call for me. The draw has to be the right bet here.
Excellent match up, but I think it will clash of styles tbh.
I predict a very boring fight because of there styles. Not gona be aprety fight but it's gona be damn interesting
just back from the weigh-in...pretty low turn out really...a thousand or so tops? Probably 2-300 bute fans I'd say...it's hard to guestimate these things though. They were certainly louder but then you'd expect that from the away fans. Thought Froch looked in great condition and both looked confident...roll on tomorrow night. 
If Froch loses, he fights DeGale and they both make a bucket load of cash?
Hi all a very hard fight to predict ,I wont lie saying I know anything about Bute because I do not.
Nevertheless my bet is Froch and Ally to defeat Fraudley....simple interest bet tbh im not fans of either boxer but will be willing Froch on infront of home support.
I found many thinking Froch could give Calzaghe a run for his money which I finf absurd tbh.
Audley will get knocked out tomorrow night by a very ordinary yet unfazed opponent.
Nevertheless my bet is Froch and Ally to defeat Fraudley....simple interest bet tbh im not fans of either boxer but will be willing Froch on infront of home support.
I found many thinking Froch could give Calzaghe a run for his money which I finf absurd tbh.
Audley will get knocked out tomorrow night by a very ordinary yet unfazed opponent.
Anyone noticed the bookies have been reluctant to put the method of victory markets up for Fraudley vs Adams? Must be scared of getting bashed when people pile in on Harrison to get KO'd. I actually think he'll win.
For the record I don't care who wins between Harrison and Adams!
Not realy interested either but how on earth can u back Adams over audly.
Ok he might get ko but the bloke is world class not sure ali adams is.
Sounds weird to class audly as world class but he has to be or was a year ago as he fought for a world title and an Olympic title.
Wat the hell is wrong with audely. So much potential.
Ok he might get ko but the bloke is world class not sure ali adams is.
Sounds weird to class audly as world class but he has to be or was a year ago as he fought for a world title and an Olympic title.
Wat the hell is wrong with audely. So much potential.
I just can't find an angle on this fight with any sorto f conviction, so it is a watching brief for me but I really hope Froch wins. Should be a belter.
I just can't find an angle on this fight with any sorto f conviction, so it is a watching brief for me but I really hope Froch wins. Should be a belter.
what stations is this on later? boxnation?
is frampton and audrey on same card?
is frampton and audrey on same card?
Hope Bute wins, I like him, Might have a dabble on Bute by KO, he has some viscious body shots that could drop froch
any links to this,... is fraudley and frampton on same card? thanks
on neutral ground I'd make this a 50-50 fight. I fancy a close 12-rounder with Froch getting the decision. Small bet on draw worth a go.
Not into short priced things but thought Cote 1-2 KO here was very big. Audley won in 4
Bute is very clever and very quick to adjust. I cant see how Froch wins this unless he comes out and produces rapid combos.
Bute should be 1/3
Bute should be 1/3
gone for bute to win ko tko dq at 4.2 with a a cover bet on froch the same at7.0
also done very small bets on round betting
bute rd 9-36s
bute rd 10-40s
bute rd 11- 55s
if anyone needs a stream this one looks decent and only a couple of seconds behind my virgin media pics
http://www.sportlemon.tv/v-4/0/130/v-413013.html
also done very small bets on round betting
bute rd 9-36s
bute rd 10-40s
bute rd 11- 55s
if anyone needs a stream this one looks decent and only a couple of seconds behind my virgin media pics
http://www.sportlemon.tv/v-4/0/130/v-413013.html
with a rematch already arranged,the draw is a massive value bet with the fight almost certainly going the distance
Froch unreal again. Nice night punting 13-8 fight not to go distance and Bute to be knocked down 9-2
What a night it was at the Capital FM Arena! Froch was perfect for me, great game plan. Yes he was taking one on the way in to land 4 but he knew from very early on that Bute couldn't hurt him and he could hurt Bute almost at will. Very happy with my wager on the 8/1 KO, not so happy with my anytime knockdown bet (Froch) but still a decent profit.
Not buying all these hindsight idiots saying Bute untested and chinny etc. It was an intriguing fight with plenty of questions to be answered; was Froch past his best? Was Bute as good as his record suggests?
We got emphatic answers to both.
Not even sure Bute has it in him to come back. Froch was able to basically block out the loss to Kessler as it was close. How can you forget about being comprehensively destroyed. Whoever Bute fights from now on will just go straight for his chin!
Not buying all these hindsight idiots saying Bute untested and chinny etc. It was an intriguing fight with plenty of questions to be answered; was Froch past his best? Was Bute as good as his record suggests?
We got emphatic answers to both.
Not even sure Bute has it in him to come back. Froch was able to basically block out the loss to Kessler as it was close. How can you forget about being comprehensively destroyed. Whoever Bute fights from now on will just go straight for his chin!
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