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Just looked back to Cracksman's first victory in 2016 in a mile maiden ridden by R Havlin. Back in fourth was Stradivarius ridden by Frankie Dettori. So what happened to the second and third?
The second was a Godolphin colt, Wild Tempest by Ravens Pass out of Sayyedati. According to the RP it has not run since.
Third was Alfawaris by Frankel (Sheikh Hamdan owned) He had one previous run but has also not run since.
They may have run somewhere that is not on the RP database but it does illustrate how many very well bred and promising 2yo's disappear every year.
The second was a Godolphin colt, Wild Tempest by Ravens Pass out of Sayyedati. According to the RP it has not run since.
Third was Alfawaris by Frankel (Sheikh Hamdan owned) He had one previous run but has also not run since.
They may have run somewhere that is not on the RP database but it does illustrate how many very well bred and promising 2yo's disappear every year.
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Can of worms Sageform!! 50% of all sales yearlings disappear.
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These were both probably homebred but I take your point. I was just pointing out that 4 horses ran in a maiden and were roughly equal in standard. Two of them went on to earn nearly £2 million in prize money while the other 2 earned zero.
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I followed 462 sales yearling (sale in 201?) to the racecourse.
130 disappeared / I could not trace them. 242 made a loss (auction price minus racecourse earnings) before deducting training fees 52 made a profit (auction price minus racecourse earnings) before deducting training fees, but the average profit was less than one year's training fees, and some of them saw action for three years.. 10 made a profit, but of these only 4 made a worthwhile profit. All the lots were bought by experts.  A bit like playing football, getting beaten 25-0 every week, and being picked for the team again, year after year. |
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If you buy a sports car or a motor yacht, you do not expect to get any financial return. Point to point winners may enhance their sale value but most are bought for the fun of the sport. The same is true for most racehorses. We all probably dream of hitting the jackpot by selling a cheap horse for a lot of money but how many have achieved it? I was always delighted to sell a horse for half of what I paid and get prize money equal to half the training cost.
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Sorry Sageform, slightly off topic. I agree the sports car analogy to some extent but there needs to be an incentive to keep buying horses. If there is too little chance of a return then too few will buy. As a sport/industry we cant rely on die hard enthusiasts like yourself.
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Given Cheveley Park are entirely owned by Hallam Meat Company you can do the maths as to where the 'disposals' get to.
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I agree up to a point honcho, but PTP continues to thrive despite the maths being even worse than other racing. Big owners are conscious of the economics (John Dance is wondering what to do with Laurens for example) but smaller ones tend to say "how much can I afford to spend" with little expectation of a return. I have stopped owning because I reached a point when the travelling and standing around a racecourse made it less enjoyable and at my age, income is not keeping up with the costs. Once you get used to the owner facilities on course, going racing without them has no attraction to me so I watch from home.
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Wild Tempest makes his second career start on Friday.....in the UAE at Jebel Ali (6F dirt maiden, 2pm UK time).
Now in training with H Al Alawi, it's probably safe to assume he has had a few issues! |
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Nice research Ile. Quite a long time between runs but it would be nice to be able to have a small interest. He could be a 100+ horse.
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Runs at Jebel Ali at 2.00 in a maiden. Who knows where he has been for 2 years or what the opposition is like but the formbook says he has beaten Stradivaius and was only 2lb behind Cracksman. Not sure about 6 furlongs but I have had a small interest to find out.
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He was sold in April this year at Godolphin's Racing In Dubai sale for 45,000AED (which is less than £10,000!). Could be cheap if retaining any ability.
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He is gelded though according to the RP card.
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Fourth.
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In first time cheekpieces, arguably a trip on the short side and not bred for the dirt, but winner rated 72 and the third 64. At least he is back on track now whatever his issues have been.
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Can't see him turning up at Meydan carnival though.
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prince of the dark (lethal force) had the potential to go right to the top, unfortunately still on the missing list
 like to take this opportunity to thank you for your threads on this forum over the years,it was your threads that sparked my interest in pedigrees, just had to wait along time for the right horses to retire from the race track, horses that have a special interest for me. takes long time to build up critical mass. kudos to you |