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04 Apr 18
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Don’t know anything about the breeding part of Racehorse so this is my question I own a total of 41.25% in two Casamento fillies Castle Hill Cassie and Made Of Honour Cassie has won 3 races rated 84 M O H won four and rated 81 would there be much interest in a sales ring as 4 year olds with a view to breeding with them they are both fit and well and still racing.i have no say in what the very capable syndicate managers do .Im just curious
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Right now after winning those races the fillies are worth c.15-30k each. December time retired or HIT unless they have done very well (90+) or very regressive I'd guess at 12-20k as potential broodmares (I'm guessing they are ok looking from the relatively high - for casamentos - yearling prices, family's are ok). The Cassie one's sister (rated 60-odd) sold in Feb for 26k and your's is worth at least that I'd say.
Depends how progressive but its not unheard of nowadays that fillies like this can have a racing future on the aw/dirt somewhere hot - be it Qatar . saudi or even better racing in US. In which case value could be good bit higher. GL |
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I haven't really got an answer for you DR but I would love to breed MOH to Monsieur Bond.
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Well not been on here for a bit had a holiday abroad then a long spell in hospital,not had any runners bought into a gelding 2 y o by Muckadram and a 2 y o colt by Lawman Made Of Honour is at my ocal track Doncaster and if it was good or even good to soft I genuinely think she would be a good thing.but it’s not so my bet is to be cut in half remember she was second to Benbatle last yearKevin Ryan’s horse murdered my Rey Loopy at Newcastle when I was on big,She rates the danger,don’t miss my Cassie next Tuesday,also my 3y o eluding by bated breath on same day,he’s one to watch for another day ,I’ll be in Benidorm on Tuesday so won’t be able to comment good or bad ,but in brief a fifty pound double M O H and Cassie on Tuesday could net you 1,5 k plus,thank me next week
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Withdrawn due to the going found out just before the second race,so watched the second race and then left the track as the track is not wheel chair friendly so if I don’t need to be on a track then I very rarely will be.Any way all moneys returned and we live to fight another day,She May be out at Wetherby on Saturday but strongly suspect the going to be soft to heavy there as well,suspect she will be back on the all weather for her next run
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Both ran in the same race at Wetherby and both ran poorly hoping the ground was a bit sticky for them as I thought both should of had a excellent chance
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Great boost for Casamento with his first G1 winner in the Pouliches this weekend!
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Quite happy with Castle Hill Cassies second in second in a class three at York,so near but so far
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Communique an important winner for Casamento today.
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I thought Castle Hill Cassie was going to win at York on Saturday 30/06/18 thought the win might have put a little bit of value on her as a broodmare ,she really does need to come fast and late to be seen to best effect she must have been 3 or 4 lengths clear 3 furlongs out and got collared with 50 yards to go to say I was livid is an understatement. Did any one see the race and if so do you think I am being unreasonable,the instructions were challenge for the lead at around a furlong out
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I haven't seen the race and to a point jockey instructions are irrelevant. Listen to after race interviews and you will get as many 'it wasn't our intention to lead' as you will get the jockey followed our instructions to the tee. i would take the view that your horse ran a great race and be happy, to be livid is an emotion you can well do without. Always try and see the positive.
On a separate note I always enjoy your posts and follow your horses. Did u buy into the nathaniel filly ? I have had a very little interest in a few horses but find the training fees/rewards difficult to justify. |
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Communique another good advert for Casamento.
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Castle Hill Cassie going for her first attempt to get some black type Sunday 15/35 Pontefract got it all to do as a very hot race ,will be there cheering her on and hoping for a place
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Congratulations Doncaster Rover! Black type well and truly bagged! Do you still have the mare? Hope so!
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It was bought not bred. Regardless that is some result, well done - I'd get that Dec sale entry quick smart and listen to offers in the meantime!
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Hi DR. That's a great result. I'm sure you will get her in foal to a nice stallion next year and sell at a premium. You will get any stallion you want and with some good advice she will be very desirable. Well done.
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What a great result DR, delighted for you. I hope your successful chase for blacktype is financially rewarded in due course as I seem to remember you own a decent chunk of her.
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PP, DR says about 41% in his opening gambit. That's great news for him. One only wishes that one had the same percentage worth of Marsha (instead of 0%).
I have to say I am genuinely pleased for you DR. Unlike my good self you put your money where your mouth is. And I hope you will be handsomely rewarded with a big profit. |
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I actually only own 30% the other 11.25% is in the Casamento filly Made Of Honour who is with Karl Burk and has won 4 times.Any estimates on what Cassie could make at Auction,though I believe the plan is to race as a five year old
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That's sporting enough DR. If she improves again it could be a great decision. Good luck.
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Don't see the upside myself - there is surely a sell clause in the syndicate. You have the inside track to the fillies ability but as an observer I'd be surpriseed if she's a 100 plus horse likely to the win more multiple black type. She got a decent speed pedigree and might interest buyers to take for easier mile stakes races in US or even middle east. Yeomanstown will be the biggest beneficiaries with their Camacho prob - I don't know what she looks like but I'd have guess at 80-110k right now.
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Whoa, I've been persona non grata on here for a while, now suddenly the valves are working.. . .
Her value Doncaster Rover is certainly dependant on what happens next. I wouldn't want her to be running around dropping her handicap rating and being unplaced regularly. The safe thing to do would be wrap her up until the Dec Sales and then I guess she'd make top end of yer ma's estimate, maybe a bit more if she's a beauty. If she can enhance her rating and get a bit more black type to put on the page then she could go up in value. If she runs around in handicaps being slightly disappointing then she is bottom end yer ma. I am guessing you want more fun with her, but there are risks involved. Very well done though, these are nice problems to have! |
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Good luck to DR on however they go forward. However if they were going to sell surely she would have to be in foal? Anyway nice to hear from you PotM.
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Castle Hill Cassie hcp mark has gone up to 98 ( up 10 ),watch this space
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Like to keep you informed as you have been kind enough to follow this post,well though I am a little sad to report this I’m also quite pleased to.CASTLE HILL CASSIE has been sold for a substantial sum far bigger than I could have imagined she is to go to a stud farm in France I do not have any more information on which one as yet as i do not know which one as yet but will let you know when I know ,perhaps some of you may be able to give me some feedback on it,as for sure I won’t know of it.Cassie has had all sorts of tests via two different Vets and passed with flying colours .Yesterday the deal was completed and signed for,so she is now officially sold.I am sure she will get the best of treatment in France and will look forward to following her offspring while ever I can
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Sorry just a quick update for Cassie I got it wrong re France she is actually sold to David Redvers and will continue to race under his name or maybe he has a buyer for her then she will go to his Tweethills stud in a Gloucester in March
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Well done DR, what a result for you! Are you reinvesting it on this year's yearlings?
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Yes I am looking at a Requinto colt and a Camacho colt also possibly. Dalbrism colt but only for 10%% this time if I have any change I will look at a No Nay Never Filly
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Well done DR, take the money and run. No doubt bought on behalf of Qatari interests.
Best of luck with any future forays into ownership although I wouldn’t be reinvesting until at least after Tatts Ire as I’m selling the second coming on Day 2 and I wouldn’t want you to miss out  |
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CastleHill Cassie in a group 3 race at Doncaster tomorrow friday 14/9/18 16/1 at present but she doesent know she’s an outsider,it’s never stopped her before.Obviously I don’t own her now so I will have mixed feelings for her tomorrow but I am still having a small bet on her.the 3 new owners who ar not Arabic as far as I’m tolddeserve to do well with her,they have paid big money for her and I do mean big.I have bought into a Requinto colt. and a No Nay Never Filly.Have banked plenty for a rainy day and paid a years fees fo the two new yearlings,,happy days,this games not easy and expensive esp for me as I can’t work and am not old enough to claim my Stat Pensionbeen very lucky with some good bets for instance I got stuck into Buckman Tavern 33/1 into 6/1 overnight at Carlisle yesterday happy days indeed,now where’s that sales catalogue?
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Castle Hill Cassie as followers on here know was recently sold to David Redvers for a substantial amount,my other Casamento filly Made Of Honour runs tonight 6 . 15 Chelmsford she will probably need this run as she has beeen Of for 6 months
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Castle Hill Cassie wins again at Wolverhampton class two,think she will be a great brood mare,went to see her yesterday and she looked fantastic,so pleased for the new owners who may run her twice more before she is mated it’s a guessing game who the stallion will be but I’m sure they will choose well
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Castle Hill Cassie is to be mated with Zoustar
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Good luck tomorrow Doncaster.
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you have a lot of success with your horses,that cant be down to just luck. made of honour 7/1 winner today
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Made Of Honour is to be mated not sure of the chosen sire but will keep you informed,As far as I know Castle Hill Cassie is still an intended runner in the Fillies and Mares final,after visiting Zoustar.Im hoping to persuade other owners in M O H to send her to Zoustar think he is good value at £20,000 ( I think that’s the price ).Has any one any thoughts on Zoustar.The syndicate managers are thinking of a budget of £7000 but I would sooner chip in and go to 20k we have 7k in the kitty from her last win.any knowledgeable person any thoughts on a budget stallion.M O H is by Casamento out of Bonne and is at Karl Burke’s yard in Middleham.thanks for taking the time to read my posts
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Re the sale of Castle Hill Cassie I reinvested in a Dandy man filly with A Watson and a filly by No Nay Never And a colt by Relkino both with Karl Burke al are now 2 year olds.I would have gone in on one with Ben Haslam ( instead of Dandy Man filly ) But the syndicate didn’t have any thing with him,I felt like I was disloyal to Ben by not going in with him but if there is nothing there what can you do?
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Think he's 25k. Can see where the other owners are coming from. You'll need to put the following years stud fees in before you get to race if you're lucky and it's a 2 year old. If you're going at 25k you'll have a fair bit laid out with other fees and bills. That being said if you are looking to sell the progeny the he would need fair enough.
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I wouldn't look further than Mayson to start Made of Honour off as a broodmare.
Casamento/Namid/Reprimand mares should go well to him and you know what you ought to get, he even keeps the Northern link going. I would consider Raven's Pass and Elusive City if travel was allowed, also Oasis Dream line sires though the affordable ones are a bit unproven. Twilight Son and Bated Breath show up but I think are not great value, then some cheap locals would be Pastoral Pursuits and Monsiour Bond if you're not planning on selling. Lancaster Bomber and Tasleet as first season gambles? Obviously a lot would depend on her type and the plans (racing on?) and for the offspring (selling or racing). Once you know she's fertile and the foals have 4 legs etc then you could be more adventurous with her IMO and Zoustar would then be interesting. |